Necessitating Violence

[Crockerland]

As women, LGBT people, and people of color get slaughtered in the streets on a daily basis,

That doesn't happen in the west so... problem solved?

[Not a Bang but a Whimper]

Holy fucking Simone de Beauvoir.

The FBI reports 83% of gender-bias motivated hate crimes are against women.

Please. Stop. Threadjacking. The poor men being subject to the consequences of patriarchy is not the topic. Whether or not it's necessary to use violence to prevent that is.

30 incidents in a year. Wow, that's clearly 'slaughter in the streets'.

If you take a look at the methodology you'll note that this reporting is exclusively in line with the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2009 — federal crimes only. I'm sure in Nebraska men suffer gender-bias hate crimes much more often.

[Costa Fierro]

His excellency has graced us with his presence and excellently infallible remarks.

It's been a long time since I was regularly called 'his excellency'. Brings back some good memories.

Sorry to steal your thunder, but that was in reference to me. Not that I want to toot my own horn or be choked by your incredible force powers, my Lord.

[Not a Bang but a Whimper]

And yet you won't respond to my initial post where I directly address your opening post and your argument?

If you're as brilliant as your façade suggests you might figure some OPs post because they themselves don't have strong opinions.

[Geilinor]

And yet you won't respond to my initial post where I directly address your opening post and your argument?

If you're as brilliant as your façade suggests you might figure some OPs post because they themselves don't have strong opinions.

The standard on NSG is that OPs must post their own opinion.

[Not a Bang but a Whimper]

If you're as brilliant as your façade suggests you might figure some OPs post because they themselves don't have strong opinions.

The standard on NSG is that OPs must post their own opinion.

Eleven pages in and I haven't. Lock me up.

[Galloism]

30 incidents in a year. Wow, that's clearly 'slaughter in the streets'.

If you take a look at the methodology you'll note that this reporting is exclusively in line with the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2009 — federal crimes only. I'm sure in Nebraska men suffer gender-bias hate crimes much more often.

Dunno, I haven't seen any numbers in Nebraska.

Thing is though, we already know police are gender-biased against men and in favor of women. The justice department data proves that very conclusively.

Using arrest data or crime report data rather than survey data is suspect at best in the United States (for the same reason arrest data or crime report data regarding black people and drugs is way off the charts, despite the fact that surveys show that drugs are used by white people and black people at similar rates).

[Luminesa]

The standard on NSG is that OPs must post their own opinion.

Eleven pages in and I haven't. Lock me up.

Then what was the point of all of this? If you don't care about your own opinion, and you don't care about anyone else's, either, why did you open up a thread to discuss an opinion you're not willing to defend with people whose opinions you don't care about?

[Costa Fierro]

If you're as brilliant as your façade suggests you might figure some OPs post because they themselves don't have strong opinions.

The impression received from the language you were using was that you were in favour of using violence against people that you disagree with. If that isn't the case than you can freely state it so we can argue about the merits of whether or not preemptive violence, or violence in general, is an appropriate response.

If you are in favour of using violence, I'm also happy to ask you why you feel it is appropriate.

[Grinstead]

Don't violate the NAP.

[Pensalum]

Why not aggressive nonviolence? If enough people refuse to participate in the oppressive system, wouldn't that topple the system? If enough Americans chose to stop consuming and paying taxes...to stop participating in capitalism, wouldn't capitalism fall? (I can't speak with any authority, I know little about economics. This actually more of a question)

I understand the frustration that oppressed communities feel. I'm not saying that the oppressed should be peaceful. I think one can be nonviolent without being peaceful. Or, rather, one can be nonviolent without being passive. I think the recent trend of blocking roadways with protest is a great example. Is threat of violence not the chief weapon of the oppressors? If one resorts to violence, are they not playing into the systems set up by the oppressor?

[Not a Bang but a Whimper]

If you take a look at the methodology you'll note that this reporting is exclusively in line with the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2009 — federal crimes only. I'm sure in Nebraska men suffer gender-bias hate crimes much more often.

Dunno, I haven't seen any numbers in Nebraska.

Thing is though, we already know police are gender-biased against men and in favor of women. The justice department data proves that very conclusively.

Using arrest data or crime report data rather than survey data is suspect at best in the United States (for the same reason arrest data or crime report data regarding black people and drugs is way off the charts, despite the fact that surveys show that drugs are used by white people and black people at similar rates).

Didn't you just use FBI data?...

Eleven pages in and I haven't. Lock me up.

Then what was the point of all of this? If you don't care about your own opinion, and you don't care about anyone else's, either, why did you open up a thread to discuss an opinion you're not willing to defend with people whose opinions you don't care about?

I would argue this idea that I don't care about other people's opinions is wrong, but I'd furthermore argue the intention of this thread is irrelevant if it provides for debate.

[Galloism]

Dunno, I haven't seen any numbers in Nebraska.

Thing is though, we already know police are gender-biased against men and in favor of women. The justice department data proves that very conclusively.

Using arrest data or crime report data rather than survey data is suspect at best in the United States (for the same reason arrest data or crime report data regarding black people and drugs is way off the charts, despite the fact that surveys show that drugs are used by white people and black people at similar rates).

Didn't you just use FBI data?...

Murders are a pretty strong exception to that effect, and I spoke specifically of murders. 'Offenses' is much broader of a category, and very subject to a selective effect.

Murders the data is useful because very few people are murdered without it making it into a crime report. The presence of a dead body is something it's hard for police to ignore, regardless of the race or gender of the dead person.

[The East Marches]

Translation= killing people who disagree with you is okay as long as I'm doing it.

Disgusting.

No, forcibly suppressing opposing viewpoints is potentially ok, as long as it's within proportion(this is why I'm a much bigger fan of Franco than of Pinochet), and the opposing viewpoints are truly a threat.

>bigger fan of Franco than Pinochet

[The Two Jerseys]

If you take a look at the methodology you'll note that this reporting is exclusively in line with the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2009 — federal crimes only. I'm sure in Nebraska men suffer gender-bias hate crimes much more often.

Dunno, I haven't seen any numbers in Nebraska.

The Nebraska numbers don't really matter, because that law allows the feds to make almost any hate crime case a federal case.

[Not a Bang but a Whimper]

Didn't you just use FBI data?...

Murders are a pretty strong exception to that effect, and I spoke specifically of murders. 'Offenses' is much broader of a category, and very subject to a selective effect.

Murders the data is useful because very few people are murdered without it making it into a crime report. The presence of a dead body is something it's hard for police to ignore, regardless of the race or gender of the dead person.

I don't believe UCRP's tables on hate crimes specifically reports the intersection of types of crimes and biases. Some state agencies or private researchers might have data on that.

Dunno, I haven't seen any numbers in Nebraska.

The Nebraska numbers don't really matter, because that law allows the feds to make almost any hate crime case a federal case.

Only if they're participating in a "federally protected activity," of which there are six total.

[Minzerland]

This is not about the Russian Revolution or the creation of the USSR.

It's about violence and using that to overcome something more powerful and oppressive, so yes, it's entirely relevant

To become powerful and oppressive yourself?

[Rhyfelnydd]

What a great way to simultaneously play into the fears of the right wing, and drive away those that are not fanatics (as in the majority) from your cause. This does nothing but harm, and essentially now turns almost everyone against you.

[The Alexanderians]

What a great way to simultaneously play into the fears of the right wing, and drive away those that are not fanatics (as in the majority) from your cause. This does nothing but harm, and essentially now turns almost everyone against you.

I mean it worked so well for the RadFems.

[Murovanka]

What a great way to simultaneously play into the fears of the right wing, and drive away those that are not fanatics (as in the majority) from your cause. This does nothing but harm, and essentially now turns almost everyone against you.

No no no, there are definitely people who deserve to die. All the old people with their conservative views for example. The gun nuts. Everyone who doesn't absolutely conform to my version of social justice. Dissent should be crushed; nobody should dare to voice opposing views. All right-wing misogynist homophobic transphobic overprivileged media and literature should be burned, incinerated, destroyed. Only by this manner can a just and egalitarian society be formed for all the oppressed trans/as/homo/pansexuals, women and muslims.

Social Justice Warriors of the world, unite! Allahu Akbar! Heil Gutmensch!

[Kanaria]

This only opens up the path to rightist paramilitaries forming in response, and since they're motivated by glorious VATERLAND all of them, twenty years later, will sign up for the genociding of the dirty subhumans. No to neo-Freikorps.

[Wenglesy]

So exactly who is going to be targeted in this situation?

Is it the minorities vs the majority or is it the minorities vs the government. I'm fine with the second one thank you.

[Tinder Enthusiasts]

Can't tell if serious or "satire"....

Hopefully the latter....

It is a satire, and a poor quality one at that. If you look past the pseudo-intellectualism in the opening post, you will see it contains very little substance and lacks any reasonable form of logical coherence. This post was created for bait.

[The Alexanderians]

Can't tell if serious or "satire"....

Hopefully the latter....

It is a satire, and a poor quality one at that. If you look past the pseudo-intellectualism in the opening post, you will see it contains very little substance and lacks any reasonable form of logical coherence. This post was created for bait.

NSG summer is upon us it seems.

[The United Colonies of Earth]

It is a satire, and a poor quality one at that. If you look past the pseudo-intellectualism in the opening post, you will see it contains very little substance and lacks any reasonable form of logical coherence. This post was created for bait.

NSG summer is upon us it seems.

Earlier every year, just like allergies, mosquitoes, droughts and fire season.