Justin Trudeau clears human blockade; branded a woman beater

[Valaran]

My teacup is getting tempestuous.

[Wolfmanne2]

Pretty much.

Let's analyse the context a bit more. It's an euthanasia bill, so emotions are going to be charged, especially because I can't imagine any of the parties making if anything other than a conscience vote. Well, except the Greens, but there's one of them, and Bloc Québécois, but they're Canadian frogs, so fuck them.

The NDP decided they would exploit procedure and block a Conservative MP. Now, as someone involved in partisan politics, I can tell you all normal common sense is suspended in such incidents. It looks ridiculous, but many Conservative MPs would do the same to a NDP MP in such an incident. Harper himself was a fan of using the rulebook to shut down debate, if I recall correctly.

Trudeau wanted the vote to go ahead to limit debate. The NDP didn't seem to want such a thing and wanted to delay the vote. Gord Brown, the Conservative MP, wanted the vote to go ahead, as did the Liberals. Now note that Brown appears to be moving his way through the human blockade. Trudeau, possibly to gain some PR brownies, intervenes and moves Gord to his seat to get the vote going at a faster pace, elbowing the NDP MP in the process.

Now, in the video recordings of the incident, the NDP MP appears to be quite distracted. She is not focused on Trudeau. She will infer it as essentially being a 'sucker elbow'. I think Brosseau's response is quite justified from her perspective. Remember that emotions are charged here; the NDP MPs will have seen, from their partisan point of view, the Liberal Prime Minister crossing the aisle, breaking through the human blockade to grab Gord Brown and elbowing Brosseau. I can understand why Mulcair would react in the way he did, as with the NDP. Their colleagues' dignity had been violated and they quite clearly would not have an objective version of what has happened.

The Tories' reaction may seem unusual but there's method to madness. I can see their motive is to hammer Trudeau for being unparliamentary and Gord Brown's line was that he was making his own way through a-ok, which I personally believe. If the excuse to bash Trudeau is there, he will take it.

Oddly enough, Elizabeth May's response is the most annoying. She is definitely the most politically motivated here by reducing what is essentially a clash of perspectives to 'our politicians are being childish'.

So what now? The vote gets delayed, so mission accomplished for the NDP I guess. An all-party commission has to be established, because like it or not Trudeau's behavior was unparliamentary and has to be investigated. But nothing will come of it. The Liberals carry on governing. The Tories carry on opposing. Tory and NDP MPs will carry on exaggerating even after we've reassembled the omnishambles because politics. Liberal MPs will be all 'wow, Trudeau's such a cool guy, he's a boxer and an ex snowboarding instructor and a feminist, and he ain't got time for NDP-Tory bullshit'.

Welcome to politics NSG. We don't need Ostro's red pill philosophy, slow-mo Youtube commentators or even a dose of common sense, because neither effectively applies.

I asked for a text source, and this will do just fine.

Quite funny too.

Politics is funny. At times satires like The Thick of It are more akin to docudramas. Politics certainly is more The Thick of It than House of Cards in most Western democracies.

[AiliailiA]

I asked for a text source, and this will do just fine.

Quite funny too.

Politics is funny. At times satires like The Thick of It are more akin to docudramas. Politics certainly is more The Thick of It than House of Cards in most Western democracies.

That would make The West Wing what? Children's education?

It's not for everyone. Maybe funny from a certain (cynical?) perspective, but I think I'd find it very stressful.

[Greed and Death]

The prime minister has proposed a bill removing NDP MPs from their positions in the house of commons.

[MERIZoC]

She should start playing football.

The Coach General of Canada sends in Zidane to relieve Trudeau. How now?

10 years on and you Italians still haven't forgotten.

[Novorobo]

People shouldn't block each other's way, particular if the latter is trying to get to a vote in the parliament.

However, you don't use physical force to get them out of the way. Doesn't the parliament have Security for that?

Apparently they weren't doing their jobs.

Not exactly sure of the circumstances though. Text source please?

Not sure why that's necessary. The video speaks for itself. But if you insist...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/m ... nt-critics

[Risottia]

The Coach General of Canada sends in Zidane to relieve Trudeau. How now?

10 years on and you Italians still haven't forgotten.

It all began when the French started claiming their wine and their cheese are better than ours. Nothing shall be forgotten, nothing shall be forgiven.

[Greed and Death]

10 years on and you Italians still haven't forgotten.

It all began when the French started claiming their wine and their cheese are better than ours. Nothing shall be forgotten, nothing shall be forgiven.

Morte Alla Francia Italia Anela!

[Risottia]

It all began when the French started claiming their wine and their cheese are better than ours. Nothing shall be forgotten, nothing shall be forgiven.

Morte Alla Francia Italia Anelia!

Fixed, because you don't wanna somethinga bad to happen to your famiglia, capisc?

Anyway, I think I should quit threadjacking.

[Greed and Death]

People shouldn't block each other's way, particular if the latter is trying to get to a vote in the parliament.

However, you don't use physical force to get them out of the way. Doesn't the parliament have Security for that?

Apparently they weren't doing their jobs.

They were trying to get things done before the sergeant of arms got involved. Mr. Vickers does not play nice he just shoots people.

[Novorobo]

The NDP decided they would exploit procedure and block a Conservative MP. Now, as someone involved in partisan politics, I can tell you all normal common sense is suspended in such incidents. It looks ridiculous, but many Conservative MPs would do the same to a NDP MP in such an incident.

In which case they would be equally at fault. If your "common sense" is suspended by such incidents, you don't have any.

Now, in the video recordings of the incident, the NDP MP appears to be quite distracted. She is not focused on Trudeau. She will infer it as essentially being a 'sucker elbow'.

Then what do you make of the video's argument that she appears to be positioning herself to claim she was hit by Trudeau as he was pulling Brown away?

I can understand why Mulcair would react in the way he did, as with the NDP. Their colleagues' dignity had been violated and they quite clearly would not have an objective version of what has happened.

"Objective" is too much to ask, but "within the bounds of reason" is not. It is not within the bounds of reason to jump to such conclusions.

The Tories' reaction may seem unusual but there's method to madness. I can see their motive is to hammer Trudeau for being unparliamentary and Gord Brown's line was that he was making his own way through a-ok, which I personally believe.

Looking at the video... I don't.

So what now? The vote gets delayed, so mission accomplished for the NDP I guess.

At the expense of their integrity, at the expense of Jack Layton's legacy, at the expense of how seriously more legitimate accusations of abuse are taken, and at the expense of any semblance of principle in which methods they use to get their way.

An all-party commission has to be established, because like it or not Trudeau's behavior was unparliamentary and has to be investigated.

Then maybe we need to re-evaluate what is considered "parliamentary."

Even if the elbowing was an accident, I don't think Trudeau deserves sympathy unless you're a Liberal that loves those hero stunts.

Hero stunts are what Trudeau was elected for. He's carrying on the legacy of his "just watch me" father.

The backlash against Brosseau has gone overboard, but it's a counterbalance to frustration at someone who blocked someone else's path playing the victim.

[Farnhamia]

It's politics. If someone didn't take this out of context and make a shitshow of it, I'd eat my own pubic hair.

Pretty much.

Let's analyse the context a bit more. It's an euthanasia bill, so emotions are going to be charged, especially because I can't imagine any of the parties making if anything other than a conscience vote. Well, except the Greens, but there's one of them, and Bloc Québécois, but they're Canadian frogs, so fuck them.

The NDP decided they would exploit procedure and block a Conservative MP. Now, as someone involved in partisan politics, I can tell you all normal common sense is suspended in such incidents. It looks ridiculous, but many Conservative MPs would do the same to a NDP MP in such an incident. Harper himself was a fan of using the rulebook to shut down debate, if I recall correctly.

Trudeau wanted the vote to go ahead to limit debate. The NDP didn't seem to want such a thing and wanted to delay the vote. Gord Brown, the Conservative MP, wanted the vote to go ahead, as did the Liberals. Now note that Brown appears to be moving his way through the human blockade. Trudeau, possibly to gain some PR brownies, intervenes and moves Gord to his seat to get the vote going at a faster pace, elbowing the NDP MP in the process.

Now, in the video recordings of the incident, the NDP MP appears to be quite distracted. She is not focused on Trudeau. She will infer it as essentially being a 'sucker elbow'. I think Brosseau's response is quite justified from her perspective. Remember that emotions are charged here; the NDP MPs will have seen, from their partisan point of view, the Liberal Prime Minister crossing the aisle, breaking through the human blockade to grab Gord Brown and elbowing Brosseau. I can understand why Mulcair would react in the way he did, as with the NDP. Their colleagues' dignity had been violated and they quite clearly would not have an objective version of what has happened.

The Tories' reaction may seem unusual but there's method to madness. I can see their motive is to hammer Trudeau for being unparliamentary and Gord Brown's line was that he was making his own way through a-ok, which I personally believe. If the excuse to bash Trudeau is there, he will take it.

Oddly enough, Elizabeth May's response is the most annoying. She is definitely the most politically motivated here by reducing what is essentially a clash of perspectives to 'our politicians are being childish'.

So what now? The vote gets delayed, so mission accomplished for the NDP I guess. An all-party commission has to be established, because like it or not Trudeau's behavior was unparliamentary and has to be investigated. But nothing will come of it. The Liberals carry on governing. The Tories carry on opposing. Tory and NDP MPs will carry on exaggerating even after we've reassembled the omnishambles because politics. Liberal MPs will be all 'wow, Trudeau's such a cool guy, he's a boxer and an ex snowboarding instructor and a feminist, and he ain't got time for NDP-Tory bullshit'.

Welcome to politics NSG. We don't need Ostro's red pill philosophy, slow-mo Youtube commentators or even a dose of common sense, because neither effectively applies.

Trudeau comes across as an arsehole. Whether the NDP MPs were intentionally blocking the way (for all of a few seconds) or not, why on Earth does Trudeau decide to march across the aisle and drag the Tory whip through? I mean, the way he grabs the whip doesn't look remotely friendly, and the NDP MP who was moving side-to-side steps aside and clears a path before Trudeau grabs the Tory whip. He could've asked the Speaker to intervene, or even just gone up to the NDP MPs and asked politely.

Instead I get the impression he was pulling a stunt. He'd look like the King of Parliament, the uppity NDP would be put back in their box, and the Tory whip would end up looking and feeling like a four-year-old. He did it to get a cheer from his own benches and to get on the news that evening; and it backfired on him. So, no sympathy. And it obviously wasn't a 'trap', either.

This too. As a Liberal, I would be like 'yay'. As a Tory or NDP (especially the latter, because Harper is no Saint), I would be pretty disgusted at the behaviour of my Prime Minister. Even if the elbowing was an accident, I don't think Trudeau deserves sympathy unless you're a Liberal that loves those hero stunts. Heck, I think even objectively Trudeau was in the wrong. It was throughly unparliamentary behaviour.

http://blogs.canoe.com/davidakin/politi ... he-breast/
https://twitter.com/JonAshworth/status/ ... 7739430912
Additionally, none of this justifies any of the misogynistic abuse that Brosseau has received. My left-wing solidarity to her. Getting hit in the breast is not up there with getting hit in the balls, but it does hurt. It could had been avoided had Trudeau not acted in such an unparliamentary fashion.

"... Canadian frogs ..." *** Warned for trolling. ***

[Wolfmanne2]

Ignore

[Liriena]

I like the NDP as much as the next guy, but this is beyond exaggerated, and clearly politically motivated. I've seen Canadians online referring to Trudeau as a "tyrant" and "unstable", along with Canadian politicians making some of the most melodramatic statements I've read in recent memory.

Yeah, the Prime Minister probably should not elbow or grab people at Parliament, but this seems like a rather minor incident, and hardly justifies the outraged frenzy that has ensued. And yes, people trying to use feminism as a tool to blow this out of proportion is just gross.

[Parti Ouvrier]

I like the NDP as much as the next guy, but this is beyond exaggerated, and clearly politically motivated. I've seen Canadians online referring to Trudeau as a "tyrant" and "unstable", along with Canadian politicians making some of the most melodramatic statements I've read in recent memory.

I'm no fan of Trudeau for political reasons, this is just a way of personalising one's opposition to Trudeau and the liberals. Would it be too much to ask that people should attack Trudeau's politics? Anyway, in this situation I'd describe Trudeau's actions as human, low and behold freely expressing his frustration and impatience is deemed unparliamentary.

Yeah, the Prime Minister probably should not elbow or grab people at Parliament, but this seems like a rather minor incident, and hardly justifies the outraged frenzy that has ensued. And yes, people trying to use feminism as a tool to blow this out of proportion is just gross.

[/quote]

Indeed. This sort of approach portrays women as vulnerable, weak and too sensitive, which goes against the goal of gender equality.

[Geilinor]

I like the NDP as much as the next guy, but this is beyond exaggerated, and clearly politically motivated. I've seen Canadians online referring to Trudeau as a "tyrant" and "unstable", along with Canadian politicians making some of the most melodramatic statements I've read in recent memory.

I'm no fan of Trudeau for political reasons, this is just a way of personalising one's opposition to Trudeau and the liberals. Would it be too much to ask that people should attack Trudeau's politics? Anyway, in this situation I'd describe Trudeau's actions as human, low and behold freely expressing his frustration and impatience is deemed unparliamentary.

Yeah, the Prime Minister probably should not elbow or grab people at Parliament, but this seems like a rather minor incident, and hardly justifies the outraged frenzy that has ensued. And yes, people trying to use feminism as a tool to blow this out of proportion is just gross.

Indeed. This sort of approach portrays women as vulnerable, weak and too sensitive, which goes against the goal of gender equality.[/quote]
I agree. If it was a man who got elbowed I doubt it would have become as much of an issue. And Mulcair's response was literally, "How could you do that to a woman?"

[Souseiseki]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxL2xolQQOk

just saw this new video of the incident, fucking brutal

[Liriena]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxL2xolQQOk

just saw this new video of the incident, fucking brutal

I love you.

[Ralkovian Grand Island]

He was overly aggressive for someone who is supposedly for human rights. Could have gone around the other side.

[Novorobo]

He was overly aggressive for someone who is supposedly for human rights. Could have gone around the other side.

I already addressed this in the OP.

[Ralkovian Grand Island]

He was overly aggressive for someone who is supposedly for human rights. Could have gone around the other side.

I already addressed this in the OP.

And I'm saying it still doesn't excuse him.

[New Edom]

The entire incident is pretty revealing of the feminist dynamic in the modern west tbh.

Trudeau crosses the floor and purposefully lays hands on a male colleague, brushes across a female colleague who then throws a shitfit and starts a big toddler tantrum.

TL;DR
Womans hysterics engaged in for calculated and unjustified personal gain distracts from mans legitimate grievance.

>that exaggerated reaction

Oh, that was a nudge at most.

She had to stop doing her job for a while and missed the vote because she was traumatized and no longer feels safe in the parliament.

There is no safe space on Parliament Hill, alas.

I'm no fan of Justin Trudeau, but this was silly.

[Nifalembria Zamingstan]

Oh my god, he elbowed a woman, lock him up! But seriously, people need to stop making such a big deal about this, she was in the way and he bumped into her. I swear, the littlest things get blown way out of proportion.

[Audioslavia]

Oh my god, he elbowed a woman, lock him up! But seriously, people need to stop making such a big deal about this, she was in the way and he bumped into her. I swear, the littlest things get blown way out of proportion.

Please do not revive old threads. If it's been a good couple of weeks, for this forum in any case, let it rest in peace rather than dredging up its bones for another shake.

Nae gravedigging please. Locked.