BLM Tears Down 'Blue Lives Matter' billboards

[Novus America]

Considering that the yearly number of civilians killed by police has increased since 2013, and that Black Lives Matter activists have been thoroughly waylayed in the media - while the cops themselves have seen a boost in popularity, even to the tune of million-dollar donations, one would think the dogged defenders of cops had their work cut out for them. And yet, when defending the conduct of one of the most authoritarian institutions in America, pro-cop lobbyists still feel the need to paint their badge-wielding heroes as victims. It's tedious.

Umm maybe because we like not having rampant crime? Maybe because the police while of course not perfect do a lot of good?

[MERIZoC]

Because anyone acting as a police officer is actively carrying out an immoral and harmful agenda. If you disagree with locking up druggies, then you should fight that, not facilitate it.

Umm no, the police do not write drug laws and do a lot more than "locking up druggies".

They don't write them but they facilitate them. Just as guilty as a soldier obeying a command to commit war crimes.

[MERIZoC]

I fail to see how basing a system of law off of preventing coercion and violence is a hopeless fairy tail.

That is your problem. Your anarchist screeds are not the topic though.

Correct. The police and criticism of them are the topic.

[Republic of Canador]

Which would be fine and dandy if it were actually feasible and not some hopeless fairy tale.

I fail to see how basing a system of law off of preventing coercion and violence is a hopeless fairy tail.

First of all, you have to develop some form of consensus amongst the population. If you disagree, I suppose you're screwed.

Second, such a society would be prone to the development of criminal organizations. Without any serious barriers to their creation, external funding, and natural greed, they can easily coerce any individual into their doings. Essentially they would become a de facto form of authority because there is practically no way of fighting them short of civil war.

[Novus America]

Umm no, the police do not write drug laws and do a lot more than "locking up druggies".

They don't write them but they facilitate them. Just as guilty as a soldier obeying a command to commit war crimes.

No. War crimes are unlawful. Drug law are lawful. Soldiers must obey lawful commands even when they disagree with them. Something you do not like =/= a crime.

[MERIZoC]

They don't write them but they facilitate them. Just as guilty as a soldier obeying a command to commit war crimes.

No. War crimes are unlawful. Drug law are lawful. Soldiers must obey lawful commands even when they disagree with them. Something you do not like =/= a crime.

I never claimed that?

Something doesnt have to be a crime to be immoral lmao

[Novus America]

No. War crimes are unlawful. Drug law are lawful. Soldiers must obey lawful commands even when they disagree with them. Something you do not like =/= a crime.

I never claimed that?

Something doesnt have to be a crime to be immoral lmao

You compared enforcing the law to a war crime (breaking the law).

The law may not be what you personally consider moral but the police obviously enforce the law, not their personal opinions. If every police officer ignored the law it would be chaos.

[MERIZoC]

I never claimed that?

Something doesnt have to be a crime to be immoral lmao

You compared enforcing the law to a war crime (breaking the law).

The law may not be what you personally consider moral but the police obviously enforce the law, not their personal opinions. If every police officer ignored the law it would be chaos.

This is irrelevant in my criticisms towards police officers in their immoral activities.

[Novus America]

You compared enforcing the law to a war crime (breaking the law).

The law may not be what you personally consider moral but the police obviously enforce the law, not their personal opinions. If every police officer ignored the law it would be chaos.

This is irrelevant in my criticisms towards police officers in their immoral activities.

It is very relevant. The police do not exist to execute your ideology. And your "morality" is not the morality of others. You will always hate the police due to your extremist views anyways. You hate their very existence.

[MERIZoC]

This is irrelevant in my criticisms towards police officers in their immoral activities.

It is very relevant. The police do not exist to execute your ideology. And your "morality" is not the morality of others. You will always hate the police due to your extremist views anyways. You hate their very existence.

No shit? Do you have an argument other than "The only reason you dislike the police is because you dislike the police!"

[Novus America]

It is very relevant. The police do not exist to execute your ideology. And your "morality" is not the morality of others. You will always hate the police due to your extremist views anyways. You hate their very existence.

No shit? Do you have an argument other than "The only reason you dislike the police is because you dislike the police!"

Do you?

[Novus America]

It is very relevant. The police do not exist to execute your ideology. And your "morality" is not the morality of others. You will always hate the police due to your extremist views anyways. You hate their very existence.

No shit? Do you have an argument other than "The only reason you dislike the police is because you dislike the police!"

Do you?

[Lies and Ignorance]

Considering that the yearly number of civilians killed by police has increased since 2013, and that Black Lives Matter activists have been thoroughly waylayed in the media - while the cops themselves have seen a boost in popularity, even to the tune of million-dollar donations, one would think the dogged defenders of cops had their work cut out for them. And yet, when defending the conduct of one of the most authoritarian institutions in America, pro-cop lobbyists still feel the need to paint their badge-wielding heroes as victims. It's tedious.

Umm maybe because we like not having rampant crime? Maybe because the police while of course not perfect do a lot of good?

The police are useless at best, and actively involved in exacerbating crime at worse. They shamelessly collude in the drug wars, doing the cartels' work by instigating violence against drug users and setting up bogus stings in lieu of real intervention. Despite their propagandized image as valiant heroes solving murder cases, their effectiveness in the real world is suspect - even more so when a cop is the murderer. The idea that policing reduces crime is sheer myth.

[MERIZoC]

No shit? Do you have an argument other than "The only reason you dislike the police is because you dislike the police!"

Do you?

Yes, as I have been saying through this whole quote chain, the police aren't immune from criticism cause "dey keep us safe!!111!"

[Great Kauthar]

BLM terrorists should be arrested and charged for hate crimes. They're nothing but race baiting criminals who can't do anything other than scream "DATS BRUTALITY!!" after one of their fellow criminals gets shot for attacking a police officer. Outlaw the BLM movement and arrest their leaders. If they love being black or African so much they should be deported to Africa.

[MERIZoC]

BLM terrorists should be arrested and charged for hate crimes. They're nothing but race baiting criminals who can't do anything other than scream "DATS BRUTALITY!!" after one of their fellow criminals gets shot for attacking a police officer. Outlaw the BLM movement and arrest their leaders. If they love being black or African so much they should be deported to Africa.

Since you love authoritarian shittieness can we deport you to North Korea?

[Galloism]

Taking your number at face value, and given black people make up 12.6% of the population, that means it's roughly four times as likely to be killed if walking around unarmed while black.

However it also needs to be noted.
"ccording to the US Department of Justice, blacks accounted for 52.5% of homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008, with whites 45.3% and "Other" 2.2%. The offending rate for blacks was almost 8 times higher than whites, and the victim rate 6 times higher. Most homicides were intraracial, with 84% of white victims killed by whites, and 93% of black victims killed by blacks.[38][39][40]"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_an ... ted_States

And that 10 people is a tiny number. You chance of being killed unarmed is statistically tiny. You are about as likly to be killed by lightning.

I must point out that a not-insignificant number of black people in prison for murder and/or rape have been exonerated based on DNA evidence.

There's a justice system bias in play, along with socioeconomic factors. It's not "darkies are inherently more dangerous".

[Allet Klar Chefs]

But they don't though.
10 unarmed black people were killed by cops this year.
20 unarmed white people were killed by cops this year.

So, maybe you should look at facts before hating institutions that exist to protect you.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-i ... s-database

Hey remember back in the 1980s and 90s when it was slowly, cautiously becoming reported that the police were planting crack and guns on dead black kids. I bet that's totally stopped, because we all know this is nothing like the Rampart days.

[Arcipelago]

BLM's logic, to protest oppression we will rob and ransack our own cities. They should really focus more on fighting gang shootings if they really believe black lives matter.

[Jolet]

BLM's logic, to protest oppression we will rob and ransack our own cities. They should really focus more on fighting gang shootings if they really believe black lives matter.

This.

This makes sense.

Seriously, it's all well and good to fight what you believe is a "corrupt system", but if you're not going to then turn to places like Chicago, where dozens on dozens of young, black men are murdered monthly and demand that the violence end there, you've failed. Sorry, that's a fact. You cannot justify attacking whites for killing blacks in order to prevent the death of black people when blacks are far busier ripping each other to pieces in the name of turf and drugs, and you then say nothing. You don't get to have that moral high ground- not when your standards are so woefully unbalanced.

/endrant

If you want sources for that, I can certainly procure them. Might take a little bit, though.

[Allanea]

Except this is something that black activists have already done.

1970s civil rights activists campaigned alongside moderate Republicans like Rockefeller to improve law enforcement service to inner cities and to reduce crime there, and in most of the US, this worked.

America already has a response system for what happens when some stereotypical inner-city black dude shoots someone - they go to prison. They don't go on paid leave.

If you are a civilian, white or black, if you shoot someone, you get arrested, investigated, and prosecuted. If it was self-defense you might - might - walk free.

If you are a police officer, if you shoot someone on duty, you walk free 99% of the time. There are big American cities where literally no police shooting ever has been ruled unjustified out of hundreds of shootings.

[Jolet]

Except this is something that black activists have already done.

1970s civil rights activists campaigned alongside moderate Republicans like Rockefeller to improve law enforcement service to inner cities and to reduce crime there, and in most of the US, this worked.

America already has a response system for what happens when some stereotypical inner-city black dude shoots someone - they go to prison. They don't go on paid leave.

If you are a civilian, white or black, if you shoot someone, you get arrested, investigated, and prosecuted. If it was self-defense you might - might - walk free.

If you are a police officer, if you shoot someone on duty, you walk free 99% of the time. There are big American cities where literally no police shooting ever has been ruled unjustified out of hundreds of shootings.

This sounds a lot like you're stirring up a witch hunt. Probably not your intent, but it's what it's coming across as, at least to me. Yes, police shootings do happen, but it's also ludicrous to make the logical conclusion that the majority- or even a vast minority- of these shootings were bad cops shooting innocent people. This phenomenon is a statistically tiny one- it very, very, very rarely occurrs. And while it's bad, there's no reason to demonize all cops.

Also, if the black rights advocates campaigned against gang violence, and it apparently "worked", why is it still a problem in the inner cities of America? Furthermore, why hasn't BLM spoken out about it? I have yet to hear of anyone in BLM say, "Blacks of Chicago, please stop killing each other in the name of drugs. We're worth more than that". The fact that these advocates have already done it doesn't erase the fact that a), it's still a problem, and b) BLM has said little to nothing about that problem.

Edited for wording, change in italics. A rather careless oversight on my part, apologies.

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

If you are a police officer, if you shoot someone on duty, you walk free 99% of the time. There are big American cities where literally no police shooting ever has been ruled unjustified out of hundreds of shootings.

Perhaps thats because 99% of police shootings are cases like "I was shot at?"

[Novus America]

Do you?

Yes, as I have been saying through this whole quote chain, the police aren't immune from criticism cause "dey keep us safe!!111!"

Of course they are not immune to criticism. But they are still needed and not evil.

[Novus America]

Except this is something that black activists have already done.

1970s civil rights activists campaigned alongside moderate Republicans like Rockefeller to improve law enforcement service to inner cities and to reduce crime there, and in most of the US, this worked.

America already has a response system for what happens when some stereotypical inner-city black dude shoots someone - they go to prison. They don't go on paid leave.

If you are a civilian, white or black, if you shoot someone, you get arrested, investigated, and prosecuted. If it was self-defense you might - might - walk free.

If you are a police officer, if you shoot someone on duty, you walk free 99% of the time. There are big American cities where literally no police shooting ever has been ruled unjustified out of hundreds of shootings.

Citation needed. Oh and crime soared in the 70s BTW.