BLM Tears Down 'Blue Lives Matter' billboards

[Frenline Delpha]

And you know this... how?

The entire slogan "All lives matter" was invented specifically as an anti-BLM sloga. It's like trashing a cancer fundraiser and complain that aids kills people to
It's irrelevant and counterproductive.

Except that analogy is shit because cancer and AIDs aren't compareable.

[Novus America]

And you know this... how?

The entire slogan "All lives matter" was invented specifically as an anti-BLM sloga. It's like trashing a cancer fundraiser and complain that aids kills people to
It's irrelevant and counterproductive.

It is not irrelevant and counterproductive. If aspects of the cancer fundraiser are corrupt and not focussed on actually curring cancer maybe it deserves to be trashed.

[The Ben Boys]

And you know this... how?

The entire slogan "All lives matter" was invented specifically as an anti-BLM sloga. It's like trashing a cancer fundraiser and complain that aids kills people to
It's irrelevant and counterproductive.

So let's let the cancer fundraiser take the money and spend it on pseudoscience remedies and gambling.

[Gauthier]

The entire slogan "All lives matter" was invented specifically as an anti-BLM sloga. It's like trashing a cancer fundraiser and complain that aids kills people to
It's irrelevant and counterproductive.

So let's let the cancer fundraiser take the money and spend it on pseudoscience remedies and gambling.

Because a bunch of people holding jars saying "Help Fight Cancer" is the American Cancer Fund. *nod*

[Alsheb]

The entire slogan "All lives matter" was invented specifically as an anti-BLM sloga. It's like trashing a cancer fundraiser and complain that aids kills people to
It's irrelevant and counterproductive.

Except that analogy is shit because cancer and AIDs aren't compareable.

Neither is police officers dying in the line of duty and unarmed African Americans being shot by the dozens because of an irrational fear of Blacks in the police corps.

[Alsheb]

The entire slogan "All lives matter" was invented specifically as an anti-BLM sloga. It's like trashing a cancer fundraiser and complain that aids kills people to
It's irrelevant and counterproductive.

It is not irrelevant and counterproductive. If aspects of the cancer fundraiser are corrupt and not focussed on actually curring cancer maybe it deserves to be trashed.

Which is not the case in the BLM movement. Whatever is corrupt and unfocused about trying to put an end to the unpunished aggression from a significant part of the police corps against coloureds?

[Novus America]

It is not irrelevant and counterproductive. If aspects of the cancer fundraiser are corrupt and not focussed on actually curring cancer maybe it deserves to be trashed.

Which is not the case in the BLM movement. Whatever is corrupt and unfocused about trying to put an end to the unpunished aggression from a significant part of the police corps against coloureds?

Well such unpunished aggression is not occurring. And "coloureds"? We do not use that term here. And there is no "Police Corps".

There have been instances of blacks being killed by police. But most of these have been found justified. And those found unjustified punished.

The fact is there are not a large number of such deaths and more whites are killed by police. But police killings are uncommon.

Certainly blacks are being killed in disproportnate numbers. But NOT by police.
Many members claiming to represent BLM mindlessly attack the police, and BLM as whole overlooks the rampant black on black gang violence in favor of rare and usually justified police killings.

If a black man pulls a gun on a police officer he will be shot. And that will not end.

The very rare instances of unjustified police killings are punished.

We have seen vandalism, riots, and hatred of police officers. Now this is not all BLM but certainly claims to bea part. But BLM as a whole has failed to put forth reasonable and workable reform proposals.

Anger alone, especially based on exagerations will not solve anything.

There are grounds to reform our drug laws and other aspects of criminal justice but this is not the fault of the police.

The police are not perfect, and when they do things wrong the should be held accountable, but they are. We can and should make things better, but they idea of some random police campaign to kill blacks is simply false.

[Allet Klar Chefs]

The police are not perfect, and when they do things wrong the should be held accountable, but they are.

Are they fuck.

Watch this video. Actually watch a weak, small man die to a massive police firing squad, all shooting to cover each other's backs.

Apparently they were so inept, and so unconcerned with the safety of the people they're supposed to protect that they couldn't disarm him up close between half a dozen guys.

You know what's happened in the months after that? Absolutely fuck all. Some officers apparently went on paid administrative leave for a while, but all reporting on it cooled off after the start of February, and one can assume the heat on the department did too.

I mean you're talking about people being held accountable on a day that the police shot a woman to death for refusing to comply with orders, despite her actions putting nobody but herself in danger. The Chief of Police has eventually been fired after months of this kind of stuff, but are those police going to get pulled in for murder? Probably not.

[Novus America]

The police are not perfect, and when they do things wrong the should be held accountable, but they are.

Are they fuck.

Watch this video. Actually watch a weak, small man die to a massive police firing squad, all shooting to cover each other's backs.

Apparently they were so inept, and so unconcerned with the safety of the people they're supposed to protect that they couldn't disarm him up close between half a dozen guys.

You know what's happened in the months after that? Absolutely fuck all. Some officers apparently went on paid administrative leave for a while, but all reporting on it cooled off after the start of February, and one can assume the heat on the department did too.

I mean you're talking about people being held accountable on a day that the police shot a woman to death for refusing to comply with orders, despite her actions putting nobody but herself danger. The Chief of Police has eventually been fired after months of this kind of stuff, but are those police going to get pulled in for murder? Probably not.

Umm the video alone is not enough to draw conclusions but it it says the supsect was armed!
Police shooting an armed man is not unjustified.

Obviously there are cases where police might not be held perfectly accountable. However we do not know the full details either and everyone is entitled to a presumption of innocence and obviously sometimes people get away with crimes. While we should attempt to fix this as much as possible but it is impossible to fix everything.

But you are just making assumptions anyways. At least one police chief was fired as you admitted. But you have offered little detail.

First of all there is no "the police". There are literally thousands of police forces. So you are going to have to give much more specific information.

Also police have been charged with murder, as in the Freddie Grey case.

Blantantly speculating on a few unresolved cases shows nothing. You do not even know what is going to happen. Speculating people may not be held accountable is just your speculation. Saying people have not be held accountable a day of an incident is absurd. As it has not been resolved.

[Comcaliph]

This is why we should support something known as

*dramatically moves hands*
Equality

[Bhikkustan]

The one thing this thread has done is driven me away from libertarianism and anarchism. Without police, how many more people will die? Way more than the piddly amount that they kill.

[Gauthier]

The one thing this thread has done is driven me away from libertarianism and anarchism. Without police, how many more people will die? Way more than the piddly amount that they kill.

"As long as they keep me safe and I'm not an uppity thug I'm fine with the status quo."

[Bhikkustan]

The one thing this thread has done is driven me away from libertarianism and anarchism. Without police, how many more people will die? Way more than the piddly amount that they kill.

"As long as they keep me safe and I'm not an uppity thug I'm fine with the status quo."

Yes. If someone is so img something bad they should be stopped, not given free reign.

[Novus America]

The one thing this thread has done is driven me away from libertarianism and anarchism. Without police, how many more people will die? Way more than the piddly amount that they kill.

"As long as they keep me safe and I'm not an uppity thug I'm fine with the status quo."

Do you ever do anything besides shitpost with strawmen?

[Jumalariik]

Disgusting behavior.

Almost as disgusting as arresting drug using "criminals", harassing minority communities, shooting unarmed black youths and robbing suspects during arrests.

I got cut on the edge, would it be less disgusting to shoot unarmed white youths?

[Jumalariik]

"As long as they keep me safe and I'm not an uppity thug I'm fine with the status quo."

Do you ever do anything besides shitpost with strawmen?

Not really it seems, though I would be legitimately interested to hear Gauthier actually state a well developed opinion instead of insulting people who themselves do so.

[Gauthier]

Almost as disgusting as arresting drug using "criminals", harassing minority communities, shooting unarmed black youths and robbing suspects during arrests.

I got cut on the edge, would it be less disgusting to shoot unarmed white youths?

When police shoot white youths there's shared outrage and mandatory suspension as well as likely conviction and firing. When it's a black youth it's almost always Justified and life goes on for everyone but the youth's family.

[Jumalariik]

I got cut on the edge, would it be less disgusting to shoot unarmed white youths?

When police shoot white youths there's shared outrage and mandatory suspension as well as likely conviction and firing. When it's a black youth it's almost always Justified and life goes on for everyone but the youth's family.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/mor ... e-outrage/

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-i ... s-database

Most of them are white actually. So you're wrong.

[Jumalariik]

Except that analogy is shit because cancer and AIDs aren't compareable.

Neither is police officers dying in the line of duty and unarmed African Americans being shot by the dozens because of an irrational fear of Blacks in the police corps.

Is it 100% irrational when African Americans have a crime rate that is 3 times higher than the national average? "The criminal rate of blacks (African Americans) is more than three times higher than the national average.[2]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_ ... ted_States

If you did a job and one group of people were 3 times likelier to commit a crime than everybody else, would you not focus on them?

(I'm not saying black people are less good people or anything. I'm just saying in the position of a cop, fear makes some sense)

Also, have you all noticed that people make databases when people get killed by cops, but there are no databases that we can easily get of the opposite?

[Frenline Delpha]

The one thing this thread has done is driven me away from libertarianism and anarchism. Without police, how many more people will die? Way more than the piddly amount that they kill.

"As long as they keep me safe and I'm not an uppity thug I'm fine with the status quo."

"Everyone who disagrees with me is wrong, and you should feel bad."

That's what you sound like.

[Impaled Nazarene]

Excellent

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Anybody want to get this thread back on topic?

The College Republicans had booked the billboard. As such BLM had no right to tear it down and put up their own. If BLM wants to be taken seriously they should have respected the system, and allowed the College Republican's board to remain until their time was up.

[54e]

Fuck the police. Civil disobedience never hurt anyone, especially not like institutional racism has.

[Bhikkustan]

Fuck the police. Civil disobedience never hurt anyone, especially not like institutional racism has.

Yes, but most of the other crimes they stop harm people in one way or another. Civil disobedience itself can cause injury and death.

[54e]

Fuck the police. Civil disobedience never hurt anyone, especially not like institutional racism has.

Yes, but most of the other crimes they stop harm people in one way or another.

Duh, not the point.

Civil disobedience itself can cause injury and death.

Only for the ones disobeying. Hence the "civil."