BLM Tears Down 'Blue Lives Matter' billboards

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

The hate for statist "shill" is strong in this one.

You're damn fucking right it is. Police and the courts are arms of an inherently oppressive institution, that abuse their power even within the statist framework, never mind from an anarchist perspective. I fail to see why they should have my respect.

As someone who wants to be either a lawyer or a cop, everything you said here is bullshit and offensive to the men and women who risk their lived everyday to keep you safe.

[Purpelia]

You're damn fucking right it is. Police and the courts are arms of an inherently oppressive institution, that abuse their power even within the statist framework, never mind from an anarchist perspective. I fail to see why they should have my respect.

Anarchism is an inherently flawed way of thinking because it is based on the fundamental logical fallacy of denying its own basis. Simply put, you complain about the government being oppressive. And as a fix you propose a system where said government is removed in place of allowing people to do what they want. But the government is made of people, and nothing more. Thus your complaint boils down to people abusing their position. So what exactly does your solution achieve except giving the already evil (by your starting assumption no less) people even more freedom to do evil?

Bottom line you see is that as evil as it is the government, any government is infinitely superior to none. And thus we took the least of evils, and we called it good.

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

You're damn fucking right it is. Police and the courts are arms of an inherently oppressive institution, that abuse their power even within the statist framework, never mind from an anarchist perspective. I fail to see why they should have my respect.

Anarchism is an inherently flawed way of thinking because it is based on the fundamental logical fallacy of denying its own basis. Simply put, you complain about the government being oppressive. And as a fix you propose a system where said government is removed in place of allowing people to do what they want. But the government is made of people, and nothing more. Thus your complaint boils down to people abusing their position. So what exactly does your solution achieve except giving the already evil (by your starting assumption no less) people even more freedom to do evil?

Bottom line you see is that as evil as it is the government, any government is infinitely superior to none. And thus we took the least of evils, and we called it good.

The other problem, of course, is that Anarchy relies on altruism for people's rights to be upheld. Since people aren't altruistic, Anarchy will never succeed in bringing about the free utopia its proponents imagine, but rather a hellish dystopia where government rises in the form of biker gangs who levy taxes on everyone for "protection."

[The Forsworn Knights]

You're damn fucking right it is. Police and the courts are arms of an inherently oppressive institution, that abuse their power even within the statist framework, never mind from an anarchist perspective. I fail to see why they should have my respect.

As someone who wants to be either a lawyer or a cop, everything you said here is bullshit and offensive to the men and women who risk their lived everyday to keep you safe.

Cops are in danger all the time, I understand that, but they are not the most likely to get attacked on the job. That would be Healthcare Professionals.

[Novus America]

As someone who wants to be either a lawyer or a cop, everything you said here is bullshit and offensive to the men and women who risk their lived everyday to keep you safe.

Cops are in danger all the time, I understand that, but they are not the most likely to get attacked on the job. That would be Healthcare Professionals.

True, but that does not make the police not important. Just because other put their lives on the line does not mean police do not.

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

As someone who wants to be either a lawyer or a cop, everything you said here is bullshit and offensive to the men and women who risk their lived everyday to keep you safe.

Cops are in danger all the time, I understand that, but they are not the most likely to get attacked on the job. That would be Healthcare Professionals.

That doesn't mean that cops don't risk their lives to keep people safe.

[Alsheb]

"Blue lives matter"? Seriously? Unless it's referring to smurfs, that must be one of the stupidest and lamest attempts at co-opting a progressive slogan that I've ever heard.

[Alsheb]

Cops are in danger all the time, I understand that, but they are not the most likely to get attacked on the job. That would be Healthcare Professionals.

That doesn't mean that cops don't risk their lives to keep people safe.

By doing heroic things such as gunning down African Americans wearing a hoodie...

[Purpelia]

The other problem, of course, is that Anarchy relies on altruism for people's rights to be upheld. Since people aren't altruistic, Anarchy will never succeed in bringing about the free utopia its proponents imagine, but rather a hellish dystopia where government rises in the form of biker gangs who levy taxes on everyone for "protection."

Which is exactly what I said just rephrased.

[Frenline Delpha]

That doesn't mean that cops don't risk their lives to keep people safe.

By doing heroic things such as gunning down African Americans wearing a hoodie...

Yes. ALL cops fucking do this. ALL cops. Great argument there, mate.

[Purpelia]

I am going to say yes. But instead of it being an expensive blanket policy I'd just make random sample testing of say 10% of the people at random. And anyone caught gets thrown out of welfare forever. Also put in prison. Bottom line is that if you use the peoples tax money to break their laws you need to be punished for nothing less than treason.

I don't think that's an appropriate response.
You'd also have to prove that they used the people's tax money first. It is possible to still earn some money and still require welfare. Sounds like a lot of effort to set up.

On the contrary, in any civilized country a person earning minimum wage earns enough not to need welfare.

[Juristonia]

"Blue lives matter"? Seriously? Unless it's referring to smurfs, that must be one of the stupidest and lamest attempts at co-opting a progressive slogan that I've ever heard.

Shh, we're pretending not to notice that's the only reason blue lives matter even got started, because it makes it easier to dismiss the BLM movement.

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

That doesn't mean that cops don't risk their lives to keep people safe.

By doing heroic things such as gunning down African Americans wearing a hoodie...

*facepalm*

I take it you think Michael Brown was innocent? US Justice Departent disagrees.

[Rhyfelnydd]

That doesn't mean that cops don't risk their lives to keep people safe.

By doing heroic things such as gunning down African Americans wearing a hoodie...

Generalizing an entire group is okay, so long as it is not minorities. *nod*

[Frenline Delpha]

"Blue lives matter"? Seriously? Unless it's referring to smurfs, that must be one of the stupidest and lamest attempts at co-opting a progressive slogan that I've ever heard.

Shh, we're pretending not to notice that's the only reason blue lives matter even got started, because it makes it easier to dismiss the BLM movement.

Beautiful strawman there, mate. Way to completely misrepresent arguments you don't agree with.

[Purpelia]

By doing heroic things such as gunning down African Americans wearing a hoodie...

Generalizing an entire group is okay, so long as it is not minorities. *nod*

How are the police not a minority? Just compare their total count with the total population.

[Uxupox]

I don't think that's an appropriate response.
You'd also have to prove that they used the people's tax money first. It is possible to still earn some money and still require welfare. Sounds like a lot of effort to set up.

On the contrary, in any civilized country a person earning minimum wage earns enough not to need welfare.

Not necessarily. Here in Puerto Rico the minimum wage is $7.25/h but you will need help from the state to be able to sufficiently live with that type of wage. Things like public housing, the department of family card and things like this help a lot. Though people here sometimes mismanage their money by a lot it seems. You don't really need to get a car that you need to pay at $450 a month for example if you have are having a hard time.

[Purpelia]

On the contrary, in any civilized country a person earning minimum wage earns enough not to need welfare.

Not necessarily. Here in Puerto Rico the minimum wage is $7.25/h but you will need help from the state to be able to sufficiently live with that type of wage. Things like public housing, the department of family card and things like this help a lot. Though people here sometimes mismanage their money by a lot it seems. You don't really need to get a car that you need to pay at $450 a month for example if you have are having a hard time.

As I said. In any civilized country a person earning minimum wage earns enough not to need welfare.

Countries where this is not the case, where health care, education and the basic necessities of life are unavailable to the common worker are places that I would NOT call civilized.

[Novus America]

"Blue lives matter"? Seriously? Unless it's referring to smurfs, that must be one of the stupidest and lamest attempts at co-opting a progressive slogan that I've ever heard.

It is more the police and those who oppose violent anarchy fighting back against attacks on law enforcement. Yes it is reactionary. It would not be necessary if people would focus more on reasonable police reform and legal reform and less on blindly attacking the police.

[Alvecia]

I don't think that's an appropriate response.
You'd also have to prove that they used the people's tax money first. It is possible to still earn some money and still require welfare. Sounds like a lot of effort to set up.

On the contrary, in any civilized country a person earning minimum wage earns enough not to need welfare.

I, however, never mentioned minimum wage, just that they were earning money.

[Comcaliph]

Ah yes, so the republicans say.

[Purpelia]

On the contrary, in any civilized country a person earning minimum wage earns enough not to need welfare.

I, however, never mentioned minimum wage, just that they were earning money.

Minimum wage is the least money one can earn legitimately. The only alternatives are "earning more", which is covered by minimum wage by reasons of "if they are earning more than that and still need help than fucking hell!" or "earning less but not legitimately" which is covered by "criminal scum don't deserve help anyway."

[Alvecia]

I, however, never mentioned minimum wage, just that they were earning money.

Minimum wage is the least money one can earn legitimately. The only alternatives are "earning more", which is covered by minimum wage by reasons of "if they are earning more than that and still need help than fucking hell!" or "earning less but not legitimately" which is covered by "criminal scum don't deserve help anyway."

I disagree. An example using my own skill set would be if I fixed people's computers for a fixed amount per computer. It wouldn't necessarily add up to minimum wage, but it would still be a legitimate income.

Edit: Hell, in the context of this discussion, it doesn't even need to be a regular thing. Just once will be enough to buy some drugs that'll show up on the test.

[Uxupox]

Not necessarily. Here in Puerto Rico the minimum wage is $7.25/h but you will need help from the state to be able to sufficiently live with that type of wage. Things like public housing, the department of family card and things like this help a lot. Though people here sometimes mismanage their money by a lot it seems. You don't really need to get a car that you need to pay at $450 a month for example if you have are having a hard time.

As I said. In any civilized country a person earning minimum wage earns enough not to need welfare.

Countries where this is not the case, where health care, education and the basic necessities of life are unavailable to the common worker are places that I would NOT call civilized.

Health care is easily accessible, food is easily accessible, education is free. We are a very civilized nation.

[Novus America]

I, however, never mentioned minimum wage, just that they were earning money.

Minimum wage is the least money one can earn legitimately. The only alternatives are "earning more", which is covered by minimum wage by reasons of "if they are earning more than that and still need help than fucking hell!" or "earning less but not legitimately" which is covered by "criminal scum don't deserve help anyway."

Minimum wage is not the topic.