BLM Tears Down 'Blue Lives Matter' billboards

[Republic of Canador]

Thus not only is it disrespectful and offensive to demonise all police officers over the actions of a few, it's downright illogical.

Saying it's "a few bad apples" lets them off the hook. It makes it too easy for departments to fire a few people and claim to have fixed issues that have existed for decades.

What do you propose? Firing everyone? This isn't an easy problem with a quick fix solution. It will take time before we see progress.

[The New Sea Territory]

If the law is bullshit, or tyrannical, they are enforcing tyrannical, bullshit laws.



Show me a police department that won't arrest drug users (excluding Colorado) or won't evict homeless squatters.

Those laws are bullshit, but not really tyrannical.

You seem to be equating enforcement of the law with harassment.

Because it is.

Drug prohibition always has been harassment of minority communities. Just harassment in general. The police are taking away individual liberties.

[Inter-Universal Republic of Earth]

It does not matter. They disagree with the BLM stance and want, in a peaceful manner mind you, to practice their free speech.

Free Speech protects speech from state regulation. It could not be more irrelevant.

But BLM protesters took the violent route, took down, and defaced the properties. This is infringing on their right to free speech, no matter if you agree with them or not.

If the government did this, you'd have a point.

Actually, it IS illegal to infringe upon the rights of others if you are not a part of the government.

[Crockerland]

Well they should be arrested for vandalism, then.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Those laws are bullshit, but not really tyrannical.

You seem to be equating enforcement of the law with harassment.

you seem to be under the impression that "order is order" is a magical phrase that absolves it from being harassment in any way

You seem to be under the impression that enforcement of the law is automatically harassment.

[Gauthier]

Those laws are bullshit, but not really tyrannical.

You seem to be equating enforcement of the law with harassment.

Because it is.

Drug prohibition always has been harassment of minority communities. Just harassment in general. The police are taking away individual liberties.

So if police was done away with entirely everyone will get along harmoniously like Smurf Village?

[Lady Scylla]

Not all "government goons" harass anybody.

That's not the point.

The "Blue Lives Matter" movement is subverting the cry of #BlackLivesMatter to turn discourse away from racial disparities and abuse in policing and criminal justice to praising and protecting those who carry out those injustices, as if they are somehow the true victims.

"Blue Lives Matter" exists mainly to undermine #BlackLivesMatter, and would not exist without it.

I always saw Black Lives Matter as more divisive and a reinforcement of racism and racial divide than a narrative that promotes equal treatment. It makes far more sense to me to promote a movement that targets discrimination in general, not just what one "race" or other demographic experiences. It comes off as exclusive of other demographics who face discrimination and seemingly promotes a narrative that they themselves have it worse. Which it shoupdn't be seen that way; discriminstion is bad regardless of whom it is affecting.

[The New Sea Territory]

Saying it's "a few bad apples" lets them off the hook. It makes it too easy for departments to fire a few people and claim to have fixed issues that have existed for decades.

What do you propose? Firing everyone? This isn't an easy problem with a quick fix solution. It will take time before we see progress.

Not having faith in liberal reforms, and arming minority communities.

[The New Sea Territory]

Because it is.

Drug prohibition always has been harassment of minority communities. Just harassment in general. The police are taking away individual liberties.

So if police was done away with entirely everyone will get along harmoniously like Smurf Village?

That's top-shelf straw there.

You make strawmen often?

[Gauthier]

So if police was done away with entirely everyone will get along harmoniously like Smurf Village?

That's top-shelf straw there.

You make strawmen often?

Right, because an anarchist believes in law enforcement.

[Kelinfort]

Because it is.

Drug prohibition always has been harassment of minority communities. Just harassment in general. The police are taking away individual liberties.

So if police was done away with entirely everyone will get along harmoniously like Smurf Village?

The happy song will be mandatory learning.

[Crockerland]

So if police was done away with entirely everyone will get along harmoniously like Smurf Village?

That's top-shelf straw there.

You make strawmen often?

Gauthier makes a strawman every other post.

[Republic of Canador]

What do you propose? Firing everyone? This isn't an easy problem with a quick fix solution. It will take time before we see progress.

Not having faith in liberal reforms, and arming minority communities.

Arming minority communities?

How exactly do you propose this? Considering the fact that those who tend to have trouble with police tend to have a criminal record. I wouldn't trust them with a firearm.

[Inter-Universal Republic of Earth]

So if police was done away with entirely everyone will get along harmoniously like Smurf Village?

That's top-shelf straw there.

You make strawmen often?

I could say the same about generalizing for you as well, considering you have throughout this thread.

[Ararat Mountain]

>BLM
>Not wrong

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Those laws are bullshit, but not really tyrannical.

You seem to be equating enforcement of the law with harassment.

Because it is.

Drug prohibition always has been harassment of minority communities. Just harassment in general. The police are taking away individual liberties.

Not really, drug prohibition didn't come about just to oppress minority's unless you have sauces to a legislator saying "we're banning drugs cuz fuck minority's".

If any "individual liberties" are being taken away then it's not the police taking them away, it's the legislators who passed the laws who are. Police don't make laws.

[The New Sea Territory]

Not having faith in liberal reforms, and arming minority communities.

Arming minority communities?

How exactly do you propose this? Considering the fact that those who tend to have trouble with police tend to have a criminal record. I wouldn't trust them with a firearm.

Organizing community gun clubs, like what the Black Panthers did.

You're willing to trust the police with firearms. Weren't you just trying to humanize them a few posts ago? If they are just as human as we are, why are they trusted with guns? Their training? If they are so well trained, why the fuck are unarmed blacks shot every other week?

[The New Sea Territory]

That's top-shelf straw there.

You make strawmen often?

Right, because an anarchist believes in law enforcement.

You're lack of understanding about political philosophies outside your own is not my problem, really.

[Souseiseki]

Because it is.

Drug prohibition always has been harassment of minority communities. Just harassment in general. The police are taking away individual liberties.

Not really, drug prohibition didn't come about just to oppress minority's unless you have sauces to a legislator saying "we're banning drugs cuz fuck minority's".

If any "individual liberties" are being taken away then it's not the police taking them away, it's the legislators who passed the laws who are. Police don't make laws.

ah fuck it i'm going there. segregation happened in living memory and we still need to explain to you why "just followin orders" is an utter dogshit defence from a moral perspective.

[Novus America]

Arming minority communities?

How exactly do you propose this? Considering the fact that those who tend to have trouble with police tend to have a criminal record. I wouldn't trust them with a firearm.

Organizing community gun clubs, like what the Black Panthers did.

You're willing to trust the police with firearms. Weren't you just trying to humanize them a few posts ago? If they are just as human as we are, why are they trusted with guns? Their training? If they are so well trained, why the fuck are unarmed blacks shot every other week?

Umm minorities can buy guns just the same as anyone else...

[The New Sea Territory]

Because it is.

Drug prohibition always has been harassment of minority communities. Just harassment in general. The police are taking away individual liberties.

Not really, drug prohibition didn't come about just to oppress minority's unless you have sauces to a legislator saying "we're banning drugs cuz fuck minority's".

Quick google search disagrees. This story broke somewhat recently.

Even setting that aside, intentions do not really matter when the drug war, in practice, affects poor and black populations disproportionately.

If any "individual liberties" are being taken away then it's not the police taking them away, it's the legislators who passed the laws who are. Police don't make laws.

The SS soldiers didn't come up with the Final solution, but they still shoved people into gas chambers.

Your logic doesn't apply so well there, does it?

[Liriena]

I strongly agree with the message left by those who tore down the billboard, though I do not condone the action of tearing the billboard down.

The slogan 'blue lives matter' bothers me for the same reason 'all lives matter' does: It is a blatant co-opting of 'black lives matter', and it tries to erase the black community's struggle against institutionalized violence.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Not really, drug prohibition didn't come about just to oppress minority's unless you have sauces to a legislator saying "we're banning drugs cuz fuck minority's".

If any "individual liberties" are being taken away then it's not the police taking them away, it's the legislators who passed the laws who are. Police don't make laws.

ah fuck it i'm going there. segregation happened in living memory and we still need to explain to you why "just followin orders" is an utter dogshit defence from a moral perspective.

Except drugs laws have absolutely nothing to do with Jim Crow laws and are not comparable. Police arresting someone or citing someone for drugs isn't the same as "get outta here darkie or we 'gon haul ya off to da pokie".

[The New Sea Territory]

Organizing community gun clubs, like what the Black Panthers did.

You're willing to trust the police with firearms. Weren't you just trying to humanize them a few posts ago? If they are just as human as we are, why are they trusted with guns? Their training? If they are so well trained, why the fuck are unarmed blacks shot every other week?

Umm minorities can buy guns just the same as anyone else...

Yes, and that should be taken advantage of.

[Inter-Universal Republic of Earth]

Not really, drug prohibition didn't come about just to oppress minority's unless you have sauces to a legislator saying "we're banning drugs cuz fuck minority's".

If any "individual liberties" are being taken away then it's not the police taking them away, it's the legislators who passed the laws who are. Police don't make laws.

ah fuck it i'm going there. segregation happened in living memory and we still need to explain to you why "just followin orders" is an utter dogshit defence from a moral perspective.

Just following orders is also obeying the law. If someone were to disagree with the law, and do whatever they wanted as they deemed the law to be 'immoral' then there would be a crime wave.