BLM Tears Down 'Blue Lives Matter' billboards

[Alvecia]

Again, unless it's the government taking down the billboards, their free speech is not being supressed.
Their opinion is, but their free speech is not.

Somebody's opinion being suppressed doesn't count as their free speech being suppressed. I suppose if I hire Pinkertons to break up a union protest and tear down their signs, that doesn't count as their free speech being suppressed right? Because its a non-government entity doing it?

Pretty much, yeah. I mean, you might get on the wrong side of the law doing so for other reasons.

[The East Marches]

Somebody's opinion being suppressed doesn't count as their free speech being suppressed. I suppose if I hire Pinkertons to break up a union protest and tear down their signs, that doesn't count as their free speech being suppressed right? Because its a non-government entity doing it?

Correct. It would probably count as accessory to assault, though.

Fair enough, at least there is consistency in applying that definition even if I disagree with it.

[East Astoria]

#AllLivesMatter

[Wallenburg]

#AllLivesMatter

Triggered!

[Ethel mermania]

It's what the group does. Whatever legitimate message they may have had, is long gone, buried in their actions.

Edit: if they had a legitimate point to begin with

I believe they had a legitimate point to begin with. Furthermore, last I checked, not every single BLM rally was violent, or riddled with vandalism, and BLM is a very large, broad movement, without a single definitive doctrine or leadership. There have been visible excesses, which reactionaries have latched onto to decry the whole movement, but I would hope that everybody else would be able to see past their outrage at those excesses, and not succumb to the temptation of unfarily generalize thousands, if not millions of people.

I dont, I don't think cops are inherently racist. I don't think BLM is a wide broadbased movement, I think they are a typical far left movement in the way they go about suppressing dissent.

If BLM for the most part was peaceful I would agree with you, but this is by no means a. Isolated incident. This action here is typical for the organization.

[Ifreann]

This is an impressive amount of fucks for people to give about posters on a college campus.

[LoveAndEqualityLand]

“You cannot co-opt the movement against state violence to memorialize its perpetrators.

Well spoken.

"By framing that as 'Blue Lives Matter,' it normalizes and naturalizes violence against people of color in this country,"

Now then, let us all collectively lose our shit over a sign being taken down.

[Kaedshi]

Come on, thats garbage. If there were different groups in the scenario I'm sure your opinion would be different. It is suppressing free speech. They are actively preventing a group from voicing its opinion.

Again, unless it's the government taking down the billboards, their free speech is not being supressed.
Their opinion is, but their free speech is not.

Hmm, I don't know the exact definition of free speech but I think that doesn't seem right.

[Alvecia]

Again, unless it's the government taking down the billboards, their free speech is not being supressed.
Their opinion is, but their free speech is not.

Hmm, I don't know the exact definition of free speech but I think that doesn't seem right.

Freedom of speech is the right to communicate one's opinions and ideas without fear of government retaliation or censorship.

[Galloism]

I believe they had a legitimate point to begin with. Furthermore, last I checked, not every single BLM rally was violent, or riddled with vandalism, and BLM is a very large, broad movement, without a single definitive doctrine or leadership. There have been visible excesses, which reactionaries have latched onto to decry the whole movement, but I would hope that everybody else would be able to see past their outrage at those excesses, and not succumb to the temptation of unfarily generalize thousands, if not millions of people.

I dont, I don't think cops are inherently racist. I don't think BLM is a wide broadbased movement, I think they are a typical far left movement in the way they go about suppressing dissent.

If BLM for the most part was peaceful I would agree with you, but this is by no means a. Isolated incident. This action here is typical for the organization.

Your usage of "organization" there is... suspicious.

I'm not convinced an organization actually exists. That would imply leadership and a centralized command structure.

[Liriena]

This is an impressive amount of fucks for people to give about posters on a college campus.

It's almost like people are actively searching for outrage-inducing instances of BLM activists being excessive.

[Alvecia]

This is an impressive amount of fucks for people to give about posters on a college campus.

It's almost like people are actively searching for outrage-inducing instances of BLM activists being excessive.

I thought that was the norm these days.

[Liriena]

#AllLivesMatter

Well, yes, all human lives matter, but some human lives often get treated as less important in one way or another. Hence, 'black lives matter'.

[Ifreann]

I dont, I don't think cops are inherently racist. I don't think BLM is a wide broadbased movement, I think they are a typical far left movement in the way they go about suppressing dissent.

If BLM for the most part was peaceful I would agree with you, but this is by no means a. Isolated incident. This action here is typical for the organization.

Your usage of "organization" there is... suspicious.

I'm not convinced an organization actually exists. That would imply leadership and a centralized command structure.

I'm pretty sure you need approval from BLM High Command before using their hashtag.

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This is an impressive amount of fucks for people to give about posters on a college campus.

It's almost like people are actively searching for outrage-inducing instances of BLM activists being excessive.

It is almost like that, yes.

[The East Marches]

This is an impressive amount of fucks for people to give about posters on a college campus.

It's almost like people are actively searching for outrage-inducing instances of BLM activists being excessive.

No need, plenty of examples easily at hand. Its almost like people expect both sides to act like adults and respect each other's opinions.

[Jersey Republic]

Such hypocrisy, hate will only lead to more hate

[Alvecia]

It's almost like people are actively searching for outrage-inducing instances of BLM activists being excessive.

No need, plenty of examples easily at hand. Its almost like people expect both sides to act like adults and respect each other's opinions.

Which unfortunately is not the norm.

[New Waterford]

It's the job of police officers to protect unjust, hierarchical institutions and systemic prejudice such as racism, sexism and capitalism.

BLM have every right to defend themselves against them. I only wish other marginalised groups, particularly working-class people of other ethnicities, would do the same.

[Ethel mermania]

I dont, I don't think cops are inherently racist. I don't think BLM is a wide broadbased movement, I think they are a typical far left movement in the way they go about suppressing dissent.

If BLM for the most part was peaceful I would agree with you, but this is by no means a. Isolated incident. This action here is typical for the organization.

Your usage of "organization" there is... suspicious.

I'm not convinced an organization actually exists. That would imply leadership and a centralized command structure.

Organizations can be decentralized. But here you go.


http://blacklivesmatter.com/who-we-are/

[Herskerstad]

It's what the group does. Whatever legitimate message they may have had, is long gone, buried in their actions.

Edit: if they had a legitimate point to begin with

I believe they had a legitimate point to begin with. Furthermore, last I checked, not every single BLM rally was violent, or riddled with vandalism, and BLM is a very large, broad movement, without a single definitive doctrine or leadership. There have been visible excesses, which reactionaries have latched onto to decry the whole movement, but I would hope that everybody else would be able to see past their outrage at those excesses, and not succumb to the temptation of unfarily generalize thousands, if not millions of people.

To me this is a perfect example of legitimate anger being hijacked by a organization with piss poor ideological tints, a hyperactive media, and a shitty narrative to boot. Much of the anger is real, but the greatest problems facing the black communities are not the police, but their gangs. I mean that's where you get most of the Black on black killings which is roughly 9/10ths of the issue to begin with if we are concerned with black lives. As far as institutionalized issues go there are quite a few to pick from, some sadly inflicted by lack of political options which always encourages corruption and hell, dealing with gangs would require a hard hand from the political elite and no one is wanting to do what Giuliani did in New York, that would be political seppuku nowadays.

I mean I hate to say it but in solving the issues which the African American community faces there are so many facets and so little seriousness about facing them head on and it goes to the very cultural core.

[The East Marches]

No need, plenty of examples easily at hand. Its almost like people expect both sides to act like adults and respect each other's opinions.

Which unfortunately is not the norm.

+1

[Balican]

I agree with the Idea of the movement, but the ends do not justify the means. They're trying to say that not all blacks are violent looters, by being violent and looting. If they talked rather than fought, they would have more respect and public opinion.

[New Waterford]

I agree with the Idea of the movement, but the ends do not justify the means. They're trying to say that not all blacks are violent looters, by being violent and looting. If they talked rather than fought, they would have more respect and public opinion.

Respectability politics can fuck off.

[Gigaverse]

Huh. I thought somebody confirmed the existence of Smurfs for a moment there.

For a more serious comment; this is just... no.

[Hirota]

BLM is a very large, broad movement,

Is that true though? They lack the influence or numbers to make a dent in politics. Most black voters align more closely with the ethos of "all lives matter" according to Rasmussen, so it's difficult to say for certain they have a broad base of supporters.

without a single definitive doctrine or leadership.

There are visible founders and spokesmen with serious "excesses" as you describe it.

There have been visible excesses, which reactionaries have latched onto to decry the whole movement, but I would hope that everybody else would be able to see past their outrage at those excesses, and not succumb to the temptation of unfarily generalize thousands, if not millions of people.

Agreed, most BLM activists are well intentioned. But it seems rather hypocritical by some on here to dismiss the antics of a minority of BLM activists as a minority, yet simultaneously claim that the actions of a minority of police officers means that the entire institution is corrupt.