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Postby Imperializt Russia » Wed May 18, 2016 7:28 am

Inter-Universal Republic of Earth wrote:Blocking someone for voicing their opinions on billboards or otherwise is an infringement on free speech.

Well no, because they can still make it. They can plaster every billboard in the city of they want. No one is stopping them. Their message is being opposed - their "free speech" is absolutely not being "infringed" by it.
Pressuring a billboard company to not carry that message would arguably be infringing free speech. Even then it's entirely questionable.
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Postby Liriena » Wed May 18, 2016 7:29 am

Inter-Universal Republic of Earth wrote:Blocking someone for voicing their opinions on billboards or otherwise is an infringement on free speech.

It's vandalism at most, not censorship.
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Postby Herskerstad » Wed May 18, 2016 7:32 am

Pretty clear cut vandalism from a group with a history of vandalism.
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Postby Inter-Universal Republic of Earth » Wed May 18, 2016 7:32 am

Inter-Universal Republic of Earth wrote:
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Was it the government or university? If not, then free speech wasn't infringed upon. Defacing though would be an accurate way to describe it.
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Was it the government or university? If not, then free speech wasn't infringed upon. Defacing though would be an accurate way to describe it.


My mistake, apologies. Defacing, not infringing.


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Postby Roma Byzantina » Wed May 18, 2016 7:39 am

The radical segment of BLM grows more and more idiotic by the day. Our brothers-in-blue deserve more respect than this and the current attitude is just out-of-control. Are there plenty of bad cops out there? Yes. Are there plenty of good cops? Yes. Just like with every other position in this nation, there are those who fit their job and those who shouldn't have been allowed to sign up.
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Postby Thiefs County » Wed May 18, 2016 7:41 am

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They're enforcing the law. What do you want them to do? Not enforce the law?


If the law is bullshit, or tyrannical, they are enforcing tyrannical, bullshit laws.

Some police officers and departments might harass people, but not all of them.


Show me a police department that won't arrest drug users (excluding Colorado) or won't evict homeless squatters.

Are you legitimately retarded or something?
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Postby Liriena » Wed May 18, 2016 7:41 am

Ohioan Territory wrote:Because BLM is not a civil rights movement, it's an anti-police black supremacist movement.

They're a disgrace to the movement of the 1960's. MLK is probably rolling over in his grave.

Yes, please, do appropriate MLK's legacy and use it as a tool against contemporary black activism. I'm sure he'd be fine with it if he were alive.
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Postby Liriena » Wed May 18, 2016 7:43 am

Ethel mermania wrote:Blacklivesmatter is a group of thugs. This behavior is par for the course for them.

Yes, let's lump all BLM activists into the 'thug' category.
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Postby Liriena » Wed May 18, 2016 7:44 am

Thiefs County wrote:
The New Sea Territory wrote:
If the law is bullshit, or tyrannical, they are enforcing tyrannical, bullshit laws.



Show me a police department that won't arrest drug users (excluding Colorado) or won't evict homeless squatters.

Are you legitimately retarded or something?

Don't flame.
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Postby Thiefs County » Wed May 18, 2016 7:51 am

Liriena wrote:
Thiefs County wrote:Are you legitimately retarded or something?

Don't flame.

I'm just saying he's being an idiot.
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Postby Wallenburg » Wed May 18, 2016 7:52 am

Thiefs County wrote:
Liriena wrote:Don't flame.

I'm just saying he's being an idiot.

That's called flaming.
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Postby Herskerstad » Wed May 18, 2016 7:53 am

Liriena wrote:
Ohioan Territory wrote:Because BLM is not a civil rights movement, it's an anti-police black supremacist movement.

They're a disgrace to the movement of the 1960's. MLK is probably rolling over in his grave.

Yes, please, do appropriate MLK's legacy and use it as a tool against contemporary black activism. I'm sure he'd be fine with it if he were alive.


Can't compare just about any modern day activism to MLK's 19 mile marches back and fourth. Democratic or republican politicians in hand lock going across a bridge for a photoshoot does not even begin move beyond opportunism, and BLM certainly has nowhere near the same standards as said marches.

Done themselves no great favours with BLM that's for sure. It's not a high-spirited and high demand movements like King organized. Hell, the display shortly after the Jamar shooting was not within a high mile of what king would have wanted. Song and dance near the street he was killed. The gathering after that was complete clownshoe material and it has nothing to do with one supports their narrative or not.
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Postby Thiefs County » Wed May 18, 2016 7:54 am

Wallenburg wrote:
Thiefs County wrote:I'm just saying he's being an idiot.

That's called flaming.

Sorry, I'm not used to people being so sensitive.
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Postby Kaedshi » Wed May 18, 2016 8:00 am

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Postby Val Halla » Wed May 18, 2016 8:02 am

Kaedshi wrote:Does this thread need a trigger warning tag? :p

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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed May 18, 2016 8:05 am

Liriena wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Blacklivesmatter is a group of thugs. This behavior is par for the course for them.

Yes, let's lump all BLM activists into the 'thug' category.


It's what the group does. Whatever legitimate message they may have had, is long gone, buried in their actions.

Edit: if they had a legitimate point to begin with
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Postby Dinake » Wed May 18, 2016 8:06 am

BLM has a point in its movement. It also has a tendency to go completely overboard and demand that everyone else prioritize their issue above everyone else and just let their stuff get coopted by them.
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Postby Liriena » Wed May 18, 2016 8:07 am

Kaedshi wrote:Does this thread need a trigger warning tag? :p

Well, there are a lot of people who get their feelings hurt when black people stop being polite about the injustices they suffer. A trigger warning might help them.
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Postby The East Marches » Wed May 18, 2016 8:09 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Inter-Universal Republic of Earth wrote:Blocking someone for voicing their opinions on billboards or otherwise is an infringement on free speech.

Well no, because they can still make it. They can plaster every billboard in the city of they want. No one is stopping them. Their message is being opposed - their "free speech" is absolutely not being "infringed" by it.
Pressuring a billboard company to not carry that message would arguably be infringing free speech. Even then it's entirely questionable.


Come on, thats garbage. If there were different groups in the scenario I'm sure your opinion would be different. It is suppressing free speech. They are actively preventing a group from voicing its opinion.
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Postby Daffyflippingduck » Wed May 18, 2016 8:09 am

Many black people hate cops, shocker.

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Postby Liriena » Wed May 18, 2016 8:10 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Liriena wrote:Yes, let's lump all BLM activists into the 'thug' category.


It's what the group does. Whatever legitimate message they may have had, is long gone, buried in their actions.

Edit: if they had a legitimate point to begin with

I believe they had a legitimate point to begin with. Furthermore, last I checked, not every single BLM rally was violent, or riddled with vandalism, and BLM is a very large, broad movement, without a single definitive doctrine or leadership. There have been visible excesses, which reactionaries have latched onto to decry the whole movement, but I would hope that everybody else would be able to see past their outrage at those excesses, and not succumb to the temptation of unfarily generalize thousands, if not millions of people.
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Postby Alvecia » Wed May 18, 2016 8:10 am

The East Marches wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:Well no, because they can still make it. They can plaster every billboard in the city of they want. No one is stopping them. Their message is being opposed - their "free speech" is absolutely not being "infringed" by it.
Pressuring a billboard company to not carry that message would arguably be infringing free speech. Even then it's entirely questionable.


Come on, thats garbage. If there were different groups in the scenario I'm sure your opinion would be different. It is suppressing free speech. They are actively preventing a group from voicing its opinion.

Again, unless it's the government taking down the billboards, their free speech is not being supressed.
Their opinion is, but their free speech is not.

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Postby The East Marches » Wed May 18, 2016 8:16 am

Alvecia wrote:
The East Marches wrote:
Come on, thats garbage. If there were different groups in the scenario I'm sure your opinion would be different. It is suppressing free speech. They are actively preventing a group from voicing its opinion.

Again, unless it's the government taking down the billboards, their free speech is not being supressed.
Their opinion is, but their free speech is not.


Somebody's opinion being suppressed doesn't count as their free speech being suppressed. I suppose if I hire Pinkertons to break up a union protest and tear down their signs, that doesn't count as their free speech being suppressed right? Because its a non-government entity doing it?
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Wed May 18, 2016 8:17 am

I honestly don't know what to think.

I like the BLM principles but if they keep doing weird stuff, they will become like the PETA of human rights.

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Postby Wallenburg » Wed May 18, 2016 8:19 am

The East Marches wrote:
Alvecia wrote:Again, unless it's the government taking down the billboards, their free speech is not being supressed.
Their opinion is, but their free speech is not.


Somebody's opinion being suppressed doesn't count as their free speech being suppressed. I suppose if I hire Pinkertons to break up a union protest and tear down their signs, that doesn't count as their free speech being suppressed right? Because its a non-government entity doing it?

Correct. It would probably count as accessory to assault, though.
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