BLM Tears Down 'Blue Lives Matter' billboards

[The New Sea Territory]

Brothers?

My brothers are the downtrodden, not the oppressor.

They are fellow people who are willing to go into harms way to ensure others are safe.

Unless, of course, those "others" are homeless, or use drugs.

[Arumdaum]

I'll just go and repeat what the billboard was replaced with.

"You cannot co-opt the movement against state violence to memorialize its perpetrators."

#blacklivesmatter

[The New Sea Territory]

Are you not aware of the Drug War, or how police treat homeless people (vagrancy laws, etc)?

They are an organization built on harassment, which sometimes becomes violent.

The drug war and vagrancy laws don't make police organizations built on harassment.

Considering how much police work actually goes into policing drugs, yes. It certainly does.

LGBT communities, black communities, the homeless, drug users...all are harassed by the police. For all the good they might do, systemic bad happens as well.

[Republic of Canador]

They are fellow people who are willing to go into harms way to ensure others are safe.

Unless, of course, those "others" are homeless, or use drugs.

You'd be surprised to learn just how many cops care about the homeless. What you see on tv doesn't reflect an entire police force. Yes I'll admit there are some problems with policing, but they tend to stem from policy, not the men and women themselves.

[The New Sea Territory]

Unless, of course, those "others" are homeless, or use drugs.

You'd be surprised to learn just how many cops care about the homeless. What you see on tv doesn't reflect an entire police force.

I'm not talking about television. I don't watch it.

I'm talking about what I see in my city, and what I hear others say about theirs. Specifically, vagrancy laws and the police being a means of enforcing them.

Yes I'll admit there are some problems with policing, but they tend to stem from policy, not the men and women themselves.

Agreed.

[Souseiseki]

Unless, of course, those "others" are homeless, or use drugs.

You'd be surprised to learn just how many cops care about the homeless. What you see on tv doesn't reflect an entire police force. Yes I'll admit there are some problems with policing, but they tend to stem from policy, not the men and women themselves.

the question is if they get kicked out of their shelter by cops or thrown in jail for the crimes of being homeless does it really matter if the cop claims they totally care about them afterwards?

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

The drug war and vagrancy laws don't make police organizations built on harassment.

Considering how much police work actually goes into policing drugs, yes. It certainly does.

LGBT communities, black communities, the homeless, drug users...all are harassed by the police. For all the good they might do, systemic bad happens as well.

They're enforcing the law. What do you want them to do? Not enforce the law?

Some police officers and departments might harass people, but not all of them.

[Republic of Canador]

You'd be surprised to learn just how many cops care about the homeless. What you see on tv doesn't reflect an entire police force.

I'm not talking about television. I don't watch it.

I'm talking about what I see in my city, and what I hear others say about theirs. Specifically, vagrancy laws and the police being a means of enforcing them.

Yes I'll admit there are some problems with policing, but they tend to stem from policy, not the men and women themselves.

Agreed.

Thus not only is it disrespectful and offensive to demonise all police officers over the actions of a few, it's downright illogical.

[The New Sea Territory]

Considering how much police work actually goes into policing drugs, yes. It certainly does.

LGBT communities, black communities, the homeless, drug users...all are harassed by the police. For all the good they might do, systemic bad happens as well.

They're enforcing the law. What do you want them to do? Not enforce the law?

If the law is bullshit, or tyrannical, they are enforcing tyrannical, bullshit laws.

Some police officers and departments might harass people, but not all of them.

Show me a police department that won't arrest drug users (excluding Colorado) or won't evict homeless squatters.

[Souseiseki]

Considering how much police work actually goes into policing drugs, yes. It certainly does.

LGBT communities, black communities, the homeless, drug users...all are harassed by the police. For all the good they might do, systemic bad happens as well.

They're enforcing the law. What do you want them to do? Not enforce the law?

Some police officers and departments might harass people, but not all of them.

perhaps it could be said that the individual kindness of some people is not enough to overcome and in no changes the systemic problems

[Arumdaum]

Government goons deserve no respect, especially when they harass minority communities.

Not all "government goons" harass anybody.

That's not the point.

The "Blue Lives Matter" movement is subverting the cry of #BlackLivesMatter to turn discourse away from racial disparities and abuse in policing and criminal justice to praising and protecting those who carry out those injustices, as if they are somehow the true victims.

"Blue Lives Matter" exists mainly to undermine #BlackLivesMatter, and would not exist without it.

[Republic of Canador]

You'd be surprised to learn just how many cops care about the homeless. What you see on tv doesn't reflect an entire police force. Yes I'll admit there are some problems with policing, but they tend to stem from policy, not the men and women themselves.

the question is if they get kicked out of their shelter by cops or thrown in jail for the crimes of being homeless does it really matter if the cop claims they totally care about them afterwards?

Most cops just ignore it. They don't like the fact that you have drugged out homeless people living on the streets, but they tolerate it.

[Souseiseki]

the question is if they get kicked out of their shelter by cops or thrown in jail for the crimes of being homeless does it really matter if the cop claims they totally care about them afterwards?

Most cops just ignore it. They don't like the fact that you have drugged out homeless people living on the streets, but they tolerate it.

so it actually is ok for cops to not enforce the law then?

[The New Sea Territory]

I'm not talking about television. I don't watch it.

I'm talking about what I see in my city, and what I hear others say about theirs. Specifically, vagrancy laws and the police being a means of enforcing them.



Agreed.

Thus not only is it disrespectful and offensive to demonise all police officers over the actions of a few, it's downright illogical.

Saying it's "a few bad apples" lets them off the hook. It makes it too easy for departments to fire a few people and claim to have fixed issues that have existed for decades.

[Novus America]

Ya damn firefighter fighting fires

well, the job of a firefighter is completely from that of a cop and a huge number of them are technically volunteers so i'm not sure why you made this post unless you were deliberately making a false comparison to change the subject away from cops

Umm there are a lot of volunteer police too...

[The New Sea Territory]

the question is if they get kicked out of their shelter by cops or thrown in jail for the crimes of being homeless does it really matter if the cop claims they totally care about them afterwards?

Most cops just ignore it. They don't like the fact that you have drugged out homeless people living on the streets, but they tolerate it.

>Accuses me of generalizing ("demonising") cops
>Generalizes cops

[Lady Scylla]

You'd be surprised to learn just how many cops care about the homeless. What you see on tv doesn't reflect an entire police force.

I'm not talking about television. I don't watch it.

I'm talking about what I see in my city, and what I hear others say about theirs. Specifically, vagrancy laws and the police being a means of enforcing them.

Yes I'll admit there are some problems with policing, but they tend to stem from policy, not the men and women themselves.

Agreed.

You must be fuun at parties. Anecdotes aren't typically taken seriously except in a few cases.

[Republic of Canador]

Not all "government goons" harass anybody.

That's not the point.

The "Blue Lives Matter" movement is subverting the cry of #BlackLivesMatter to turn discourse away from racial disparities and abuse in policing and criminal justice to praising and protecting those who carry out those injustices, as if they are somehow the true victims.

"Blue Lives Matter" exists mainly to undermine #BlackLivesMatter, and would not exist without it.

Blue lives matter is a completely separate and viable problem. Law enforcement truly do have to put up with dangerous people just because those people don't like cops.

In the fire service, we have a joke about cops.

"Cops would rather be firefighters; that's why you never see them wearing shirts proclaiming themselves to be cops".

Harmless humour aside, the true reason you don't see as many officers gladly calling themselves law enforcement in public is because of the harassment they would get. It not easy being a police officer and having to deal with all the people who don't like you.

[Novus America]

Not all "government goons" harass anybody.

That's not the point.

The "Blue Lives Matter" movement is subverting the cry of #BlackLivesMatter to turn discourse away from racial disparities and abuse in policing and criminal justice to praising and protecting those who carry out those injustices, as if they are somehow the true victims.

"Blue Lives Matter" exists mainly to undermine #BlackLivesMatter, and would not exist without it.

If Blue Lives Matters exists because many used Black Lives Matter to undermine the police with disasterous results including a surge in violent crime in many cities and several police killings. Surely you understand the police wanting to defend themselves? And the others wanting the police to protect us against violent crime?

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

They're enforcing the law. What do you want them to do? Not enforce the law?

If the law is bullshit, or tyrannical, they are enforcing tyrannical, bullshit laws.

Some police officers and departments might harass people, but not all of them.

Show me a police department that won't arrest drug users (excluding Colorado) or won't evict homeless squatters.

Those laws are bullshit, but not really tyrannical.

You seem to be equating enforcement of the law with harassment.

[Inter-Universal Republic of Earth]

Not all "government goons" harass anybody.

That's not the point.

The "Blue Lives Matter" movement is subverting the cry of #BlackLivesMatter to turn discourse away from racial disparities and abuse in policing and criminal justice to praising and protecting those who carry out those injustices, as if they are somehow the true victims.

"Blue Lives Matter" exists mainly to undermine #BlackLivesMatter, and would not exist without it.

It does not matter. They disagree with the BLM stance and want, in a peaceful manner mind you, to practice their free speech. But BLM protesters took the violent route, took down, and defaced the properties. This is infringing on their right to free speech, no matter if you agree with them or not.

[The New Sea Territory]

I'm not talking about television. I don't watch it.

I'm talking about what I see in my city, and what I hear others say about theirs. Specifically, vagrancy laws and the police being a means of enforcing them.



Agreed.

You must be fuun at parties. Anecdotes aren't typically taken seriously except in a few cases.

All debates about cops end up being nothing but anecdotes, even if no one says anything. Most people who criticize BLM do so because they see cops as generally good people, because of their experiences.

If everyone else does it subconsciously, I'm just being honest about it.

[Souseiseki]

If the law is bullshit, or tyrannical, they are enforcing tyrannical, bullshit laws.



Show me a police department that won't arrest drug users (excluding Colorado) or won't evict homeless squatters.

Those laws are bullshit, but not really tyrannical.

You seem to be equating enforcement of the law with harassment.

you seem to be under the impression that "order is order" is a magical phrase that absolves it from being harassment in any way

[Republic of Canador]

Most cops just ignore it. They don't like the fact that you have drugged out homeless people living on the streets, but they tolerate it.

so it actually is ok for cops to not enforce the law then?

Depends on the location. Different cities have different laws regarding homelessness. I don't support their camping in the streets, but in some places; like LA, there's not really any where else they can go.

[The New Sea Territory]

That's not the point.

The "Blue Lives Matter" movement is subverting the cry of #BlackLivesMatter to turn discourse away from racial disparities and abuse in policing and criminal justice to praising and protecting those who carry out those injustices, as if they are somehow the true victims.

"Blue Lives Matter" exists mainly to undermine #BlackLivesMatter, and would not exist without it.

It does not matter. They disagree with the BLM stance and want, in a peaceful manner mind you, to practice their free speech.

Free Speech protects speech from state regulation. It could not be more irrelevant.

But BLM protesters took the violent route, took down, and defaced the properties. This is infringing on their right to free speech, no matter if you agree with them or not.

If the government did this, you'd have a point.