BLM Tears Down 'Blue Lives Matter' billboards

[Zapad Rossiya]

Again, you keep coming back to branding all police officers as not respecting the homeless and blacks. You are again generalizing all cops. All cops are definitely NOT like that. I personally know a few cops who would never even dare do such a thing, and very well think of everyone as equal regardless of race, religion, financial status and the such.

This brings be back to a point I made on the first page:

All debates about cops end up being nothing but anecdotes, even if no one says anything. Most people who criticize BLM do so because they see cops as generally good people, because of their experiences.

But yet you fail to address my point that NOT ALL COPS ARE BAD PEOPLE WHO DISCRIMINATE, AS YOU IMPLY THEY ARE. I am not denying the fact that there are no bad apples, but then again, BLM is full of bad apples like the such who vandalized this very exhibit.

[The New Sea Territory]

Stop fucking cherrypicking shit and understand this already.

Maybe if you didn't Snip my post and not just talk about things completely irrelevant to what I posted.

You seriously didn't even respond to anything I said.

[Ganos Lao]

Some people do believe that only white people can be racist, but that definition racism is based on the idea as racism only being possible where there's a power disparity, and they see white people as generally being on the more powerful side of that disparity. I see some merit in that interpretation, but don't share it in any large part.

Now why can't people just accept that everyone no matter their characteristics can be dicks to everyone around them? It's like the Good Reverend Roger once said: We are the weaponized apes.

[Novus America]

His call for people to openly resist and intentionally disobey unjust laws, both morally correct and nonviolent, but not passive in the "white reformist" sense, might have helped a little.

It did help.

Only because white elites feared radical sections of the movement and pressured the government to solve the problem ASAP. The same thing happened in India with Gandhi and revolutionaries like Bhagat Singh (only the added bonus of the British wanting to leave anyway).

Not really, as most of the Civil Rights improvements had occurred before there was real threat of violence. Brown v Board and the other desegregation cases occurred in the 50s.

[A Humanist Science]

Then these liberal reformers are breaking from their normal means of "change" and actually doing something helpful.

My larger point, I think, is that "change" (as you put it) is characteristic of "liberal reformers" as an entire species only if we hold to the underlying assumption that most or all "liberal reformers" are complicit in racist and classist cooptation. This would be as genuinely unfair as assuming that most principled anarchists are merely wannabe warlords.

And we cannot really cite the extremely slow pace or apparent failures of reform as evidence of complicity with cooptation either, since genuinely principled anarchists who genuinely aren't just wannabe warlords haven't really made that much headway against the racist and classist state either. We have to recognize this if we're being fair.

[Ganos Lao]

Stop fucking cherrypicking shit and understand this already.

Maybe if you didn't Snip my post and not just talk about things completely irrelevant to what I posted.

You seriously didn't even respond to anything I said.

I could've sworn I did respond to them, but no matter. Just show me what I didn't respond to and I'll serve up a response.

[The New Sea Territory]

This brings be back to a point I made on the first page:

But yet you fail to address my point that NOT ALL COPS ARE BAD PEOPLE WHO DISCRIMINATE, AS YOU IMPLY THEY ARE.

I don't see where I did this, besides saying that it's more than just a few bad apples.

I'm ignoring the entire conversation about "how many bad apples there are" and obvious statements like "not all cops are bad", because its a waste of time. I'm focusing on what is actually happening, not semantic games played by people who aren't even open to BLM's ideas in the first place.

I am not denying the fact that there are no bad apples, but then again, BLM is full of bad apples like the such who vandalized this very exhibit.

This is what many radicals call "bourgeois morality". I don't like the term because it reeks of Marxism, but it's accurate.

The ethical assumption that violent protest is wrong protects the oppressors. That's it, in a nutshell.

[Liriena]

Some people do believe that only white people can be racist, but that definition racism is based on the idea as racism only being possible where there's a power disparity, and they see white people as generally being on the more powerful side of that disparity. I see some merit in that interpretation, but don't share it in any large part.

Now why can't people just accept that everyone no matter their characteristics can be dicks to everyone around them? It's like the Good Reverend Roger once said: We are the weaponized apes.

*shrug* When we are part of a vilified group, we can sometimes overidealize our own community to the point of sanctifying it, along with all the individuals within it. You could argue that was one of the reasons why so many people were so passionately supportive of Caitlyn Jenner for a period of time.

[Ganos Lao]

Now why can't people just accept that everyone no matter their characteristics can be dicks to everyone around them? It's like the Good Reverend Roger once said: We are the weaponized apes.

*shrug* When we are part of a vilified group, we can sometimes overidealize our own community to the point of sanctifying it, along with all the individuals within it. You could argue that was one of the reasons why so many people were so passionately supportive of Caitlyn Jenner for a period of time.

And that's the sort of tendency that will screw them over. The oppressor's last laugh.

[A Humanist Science]

It did help.

Only because white elites feared radical sections of the movement and pressured the government to solve the problem ASAP.

Maybe, but white elite fear of violence could just have easily resulted in a doubling down on apartheid and police state-ing too. In fact, for a lot of the Civil Rights Movement, it did exactly that.

But it's probably at least reasonable to suspect that white elites, under a lot of pressure by all kinds of things certainly, might have begun to move towards civil rights reform precisely because there was a significant leader willing to frame the purpose and necessity of that reform in a non-violent (but still not passive) and law-abiding (the other half of Birmingham Jail) way.

[Kubra]

But yet you fail to address my point that NOT ALL COPS ARE BAD PEOPLE WHO DISCRIMINATE, AS YOU IMPLY THEY ARE.

I don't see where I did this, besides saying that it's more than just a few bad apples.

I'm ignoring the entire conversation about "how many bad apples there are" and obvious statements like "not all cops are bad", because its a waste of time. I'm focusing on what is actually happening, not semantic games played by people who aren't even open to BLM's ideas in the first place.

I am not denying the fact that there are no bad apples, but then again, BLM is full of bad apples like the such who vandalized this very exhibit.

This is what many radicals call "bourgeois morality". I don't like the term because it reeks of Marxism, but it's accurate.

The ethical assumption that violent protest is wrong protects the oppressors. That's it, in a nutshell.

this tbh
These folks should be glad that anger there's ruots around for anger venting, as opposed to folks letting it simmer and then getting organized.

[Grinstead]

Not a fan of BLM, but I applaud them for this.

[Ostroeuropa]

Black people are not disproportionately shot by police officers.

Probably true, but doesn't negate the prevalence of other forms of racial bias in law enforcement.

That's fair. They are sentenced disproportionately (Though not as much as male - female, which undermines the SocJus types pretending to care about this issue), and have more trouble being re-integrated post-serving. (Black ex-con less trusted than white ex-con.)

I'd wager there is probably some level of higher conviction rates too. But in terms of actual policework, I don't see the problem. Most of the systemic problems come AFTER arrest.

[USS Monitor]

Would have been more appropriate for BLM to leave the display intact, but put up their own signs somewhere nearby. They have a right to respond, just should not take down the original posters.

[The Huskar Social Union]

They were in the wrong. Most police officers do a good job and even if they don't, they don't deserve to get shot. Neither do people who get arrested unless they're a threat.

Agree with this.

[SUNTHREIT]

They were in the wrong. Most police officers do a good job and even if they don't, they don't deserve to get shot. Neither do people who get arrested unless they're a threat.

Government goons deserve no respect, especially when they harass minority communities.

Wow aren't you edgy?
It's not like people are giving their lives in service to a community or anything

[Alvecia]

Why are Blue Live Matter tearing down their own billboards, that makes no sense.

[Frank Zipper]

Why are Blue Live Matter tearing down their own billboards, that makes no sense.

Situationist Smurfs

[FacistHamsters]

Apparently officers are three times less likely to shoot unarmed black suspects than unarmed white suspects

[Chestaan]

tbh “You cannot co-opt the movement against state violence to memorialize its perpetrators. #blacklivesmatter,” seems like a perfectly accurate statement

Yeah pretty much this. Blue Lives Matter was clearly created as a reaction to BLM in order to insult and demean the movement.

[Imperializt Russia]

BLM seems to be becoming increasingly ridiculous.

Because Black Lives Matter is a telepathic hivemind that conferred and set upon this course of action.

tbh “You cannot co-opt the movement against state violence to memorialize its perpetrators. #blacklivesmatter,” seems like a perfectly accurate statement

Yeah pretty much this. Blue Lives Matter was clearly created as a reaction to BLM in order to insult and demean the movement.

Also very much yes.

[Ohioan Territory]

Because BLM is not a civil rights movement, it's an anti-police black supremacist movement.

They're a disgrace to the movement of the 1960's. MLK is probably rolling over in his grave.

[Tekeristan]

Disgusting behavior.

Almost as disgusting as arresting drug using "criminals", harassing minority communities, shooting unarmed black youths and robbing suspects during arrests.

Or.. You know, just hear me out.. They were in the wrong for defacing property?

If Black Lives Matter want to do anything successful they should really be copying the action in the civil rights era.

Non violence.

Not tipping over cars and setting them on fire
Not looting stores during riots or even causing riots
Not shooting at police officers and cutting fire hoses
Not the complete and total disrespect that leads to hostilities
Not even blocking traffic

All those are wrong and have only made the BLM look disappointing, violent, and wrong.

Don't get me wrong, that doesn't mean all of the BLM followers. But the .. Bad ones have ruined the movement for them, and the good ones didn't take action to remove the bad ones. Now it has rotted the image and goals of BLM.

[Atlanticatia]

I don't agree with tearing down a billboard per se, but generally people who say "all lives matter" or "blue lives matter" are kind of racist and inciting it.

[New Owca]

They were in the wrong. Most police officers do a good job and even if they don't, they don't deserve to get shot. Neither do people who get arrested unless they're a threat.

Government goons deserve no respect, especially when they harass minority communities.

Those "goons" you refer to tend to be your average schmuck. They aren't some evil overlords