BLM Tears Down 'Blue Lives Matter' billboards

[Ostroeuropa]

but the BLM have cause riots and some have advocated for the death of police officers so at least the KKK can keep order.

My post was pointing out that the NoI are a bunch of racist douchebags. The book, "Message to the Blackman in America," contains numerous references to whites being devils, barbarians, etc. Even Malcolm X mentioned this in his autobiography.

I am merely positing that, consequently, they are no better than the KKK, unless you're the sort to cherry pick and go "yeah? Well, at least they don't lynch people!" and act like that's at all worth mentioning.

Person seething with hatred and bigoterd rhetoric A is different than Person seething with hatred and bigoterd rhetoric B, because B has the influence, political capital, and power to get away with lynching people, and therefore we should listen to As political and institutional demands.

...
Um?

Take a look at some of these BLMers, and the general anti-white nature of the movement.
Do you want to give these people power over law enforcement?

[Olerand]

This is all very silly. That someone would do a "blue lives matter" billboard is silly, and that you would care enough to tear it down is silly.

All of this is silly, and so are most identity politics-related issues.

[Ganos Lao]

A lot of talk, no action.

So if the KKK spent their time just talking about how bad the niggers were rather than outright lynch black people, you wouldn't bat an eyelash? You're pretty much saying that you're fine with nonviolent displays of racism.

I wouldn't say they were nonviolent, or even that great.

You're just saying it's fine that racism exists as long as it's done by a certain group against another certain group. I guess you just have more of a tolerance for bullshit than I do, though.

[Grande Republic of Arcadia]

Clearly, responding to aggression with self-defense is warlordism.

It's not warlordism but it would be perpetuating a cycle of violence and exacerbate police violence against African Americans.

if we give gettos guns and more guns than they already have it will be somolia 2.0

[A Humanist Science]

The LGBT community was the same way, then the Stonewall Riots happened and everything started to change. Not immediately, of course, but nowadays, systemic issues with harassment in LGBT communities have stopped for the most part, or at least are no longer violent.

But are there significant LGBT gun clubs, or did Stonewall generate enough popular attention to make "liberal" reform effective?

[The New Sea Territory]

Police will not harass communities that are prepared to defend themselves. Powerless communities are those that are harassed.

The LGBT community was the same way, then the Stonewall Riots happened and everything started to change. Not immediately, of course, but nowadays, systemic issues with harassment in LGBT communities have stopped for the most part, or at least are no longer violent.

In other words enough guns and the willingness to use them that police will not go there.

Temporarily, perhaps. Until the police learn not to abuse entire communities.

There's already places where police won't go and those are real nice neighborhoods I hear.

Largely because of crime associated with economic issues that plague black neighborhoods, which shows that this issue is not solely about race and police abuse, but the faults of capitalism and class society.

That's a separate conversation, though.

[Ganos Lao]

My post was pointing out that the NoI are a bunch of racist douchebags. The book, "Message to the Blackman in America," contains numerous references to whites being devils, barbarians, etc. Even Malcolm X mentioned this in his autobiography.

I am merely positing that, consequently, they are no better than the KKK, unless you're the sort to cherry pick and go "yeah? Well, at least they don't lynch people!" and act like that's at all worth mentioning.

Person seething with hatred and bigoterd rhetoric A is different than Person seething with hatred and bigoterd rhetoric B, because B has the influence, political capital, and power to get away with lynching people, and therefore we should listen to As political and institutional demands.

...
Um?

Yes, that's exactly what I was getting at. It just makes no sense why we should essentially pat them on the back.

Like, "hey, thanks for being nonviolent when it comes to your racism."

Really?

Get out of here with that bullshit.

[Liriena]

The difference is that you see open hatred and murder of the police, but not of blacks.

Yes, please, lie to my face. It's not like Dylann Roof is a real person, or that there is plenty of evidence of racial bias in law enforcement.

Seriously? Did you even try to check?

[Novus America]

Well okay, sure. I have no problems with gun clubs. But that will not make a difference. What would this accomplish?

Police will not harass communities that are prepared to defend themselves. Powerless communities are those that are harassed.

The LGBT community was the same way, then the Stonewall Riots happened and everything started to change. Not immediately, of course, but nowadays, systemic issues with harassment in LGBT communities have stopped for the most part, or at least are no longer violent.

Umm police will arrest armed individuals. And are more likely to shot armed individuals BTW. The Stonewall Riots were not even a riot per se either and not armed. LGBT rights were not accomplished by armed militias...

[The New Sea Territory]

The LGBT community was the same way, then the Stonewall Riots happened and everything started to change. Not immediately, of course, but nowadays, systemic issues with harassment in LGBT communities have stopped for the most part, or at least are no longer violent.

But are there significant LGBT gun clubs,

There are examples of LGBT liberation groups. Bash Back! comes to mind, along with the Gay Liberation Front. Most were too small and local to be well documented, but they certainly existed.

or did Stonewall generate enough popular attention to make "liberal" reform effective?

Reform did nothing but change words on paper for the LGBT community. It will always be action that scares the police, the government or the mainstream culture into respecting a community or subculture.

The analogy is not perfect, between the two communities, because systemic oppression of African Americans has been around much longer than the LGBT community has truly been a community.

[Novus America]

A lot of talk, no action.

So if the KKK spent their time just talking about how bad the niggers were rather than outright lynch black people, you wouldn't bat an eyelash? You're pretty much saying that you're fine with nonviolent displays of racism.

I wouldn't say they were nonviolent, or even that great.

You're just saying it's fine that racism exists as long as it's done by a certain group against another certain group. I guess you just have more of a tolerance for bullshit than I do, though.

Also the KKK, well what remains pretty much just talks now anyways. They are still vile racists.

[Communist Xomaniax]

Police will not harass communities that are prepared to defend themselves. Powerless communities are those that are harassed.

Lol have fun getting tear gassed and hit with rubber bullets by SWAT teams I guess.

[The New Sea Territory]

Police will not harass communities that are prepared to defend themselves. Powerless communities are those that are harassed.

The LGBT community was the same way, then the Stonewall Riots happened and everything started to change. Not immediately, of course, but nowadays, systemic issues with harassment in LGBT communities have stopped for the most part, or at least are no longer violent.

Umm police will arrest armed individuals. And are more likely to shot armed individuals BTW. The Stonewall Riots were not even a riot per se either and not armed. LGBT rights were not accomplished by armed militias...

Gun clubs are a manifestation of a radical take on direct action. Stonewall was a different form of radical direct action, but it was fundamentally coming from the same place.

[Grande Republic of Arcadia]

So if the KKK spent their time just talking about how bad the niggers were rather than outright lynch black people, you wouldn't bat an eyelash? You're pretty much saying that you're fine with nonviolent displays of racism.



You're just saying it's fine that racism exists as long as it's done by a certain group against another certain group. I guess you just have more of a tolerance for bullshit than I do, though.

Also the KKK, well what remains pretty much just talks now anyways. They are still vile racists.

And yet during the whole Confederate flag thing in S. Carolina the KKK was doing a peaceful protest but the blacks there were not

[The New Sea Territory]

A lot of talk, no action.

So if the KKK spent their time just talking about how bad the niggers were rather than outright lynch black people, you wouldn't bat an eyelash? You're pretty much saying that you're fine with nonviolent displays of racism.

Sure, whatever you want to read into what I said.

You're just saying it's fine that racism exists as long as it's done by a certain group against another certain group. I guess you just have more of a tolerance for bullshit than I do, though.

That's clearly not what I said. But again, read in and extrapolate whatever you want. You've already displayed your lack of historical understanding, saying that there is a "black man's KKK".

[Liriena]

Also the KKK, well what remains pretty much just talks now anyways. They are still vile racists.

And yet during the whole Confederate flag thing in S. Carolina the KKK was doing a peaceful protest but the blacks there were not

I find it rather quaint how you don't even try to pretend you are not generalizing the entire black community.

[Grande Republic of Arcadia]

And yet during the whole Confederate flag thing in S. Carolina the KKK was doing a peaceful protest but the blacks there were not

I find it rather quaint how you don't even try to pretend you are not generalizing the entire black community.

I never said the entire black community I said the blacks at the SC state house were not being peaceful.

[Brilliania]

BLM supporters think that only whites can be racist. The ironic thing is, that BLM is actually racist against white people.

[Liriena]

I find it rather quaint how you don't even try to pretend you are not generalizing the entire black community.

I never said the entire black community I said the blacks at the SC state house were not being peaceful.

You never clarified "at the SC state house", and even then, you simply referring to them as "the blacks" is a red flag.

[Liriena]

BLM supporters think that only whites can be racist. The ironic thing is, that BLM is actually racist against white people.

No and no.

[Novus America]

But are there significant LGBT gun clubs,

There are examples of LGBT liberation groups. Bash Back! comes to mind, along with the Gay Liberation Front. Most were too small and local to be well documented, but they certainly existed.

or did Stonewall generate enough popular attention to make "liberal" reform effective?

Reform did nothing but change words on paper for the LGBT community. It will always be action that scares the police, the government or the mainstream culture into respecting a community or subculture.

The analogy is not perfect, between the two communities, because systemic oppression of African Americans has been around much longer than the LGBT community has truly been a community.

Umm again not really. The LGBT rights movement was a matter of liberal reform, a few insignificant groups notwithstanding. It was not fear of gay violence that caused Obergefell.

And again liberal reform has improved things greatly since the 1800s. And the violence of the late 60s lead to Nixon and backlash and not reform. It set things back.

Gun clubs are not going to help. Shooting police is illegal, and shooting police is not helping. It is hurting. Such gun clubs could, if somehow kept from becoming corrupted useful against the gangs. But not reduce the already few police shootings. And armed people are more likly to get shot.

[Ganos Lao]

The LGBT community was the same way, then the Stonewall Riots happened and everything started to change. Not immediately, of course, but nowadays, systemic issues with harassment in LGBT communities have stopped for the most part, or at least are no longer violent.

Rather than violence, they were simply indifferent to their enemies, such as the AIDS victims who got in the way of their warped view of civil liberties. Because if you closed down the bathhouses, you were just one of them, the hated enemy. Even Randy Shilts, whose work was appropriated by the same spineless cowards (note; I'm referring to LGBT community leaders of the time, not all LGBT people) I'm talking about, said as much himself numerous times, not just in his seminal work, And the Band Played On.

[Grande Republic of Arcadia]

BLM supporters think that only whites can be racist. The ironic thing is, that BLM is actually racist against white people.

No and no.

they do. The leader of the group posted that they will riot against whites if trump wins so i would call that pretty racist, also if they were trying to make things better send emails to your state rep. for a possible bill to be brought to senate ect.

[The New Sea Territory]

It's not warlordism but it would be perpetuating a cycle of violence and exacerbate police violence against African Americans.

if we give gettos guns and more guns than they already have it will be somolia 2.0

Somalia seems to be an inevitable conclusion from people who generally aren't well versed in radical politics.

Clearly, responding to aggression with self-defense is warlordism.

It's not warlordism but it would be perpetuating a cycle of violence and exacerbate police violence against African Americans.

Hey! An original, non-strawman argument! Thank you! (not sarcasm).

I think a cycle of violence is the essence of human history, and it's not going away. If we are going to be realistic, we have to accept that violence is an aspect of human societies. MLK's nonviolence did not accomplish anything on its own, and it did not break this cycle. Violence or the threat of violence, on the part of both Southern police and radical groups, raised the stakes and forced the government to tackle civil rights. Violence was an integral part of the Civil Rights movement, even if King didn't like it.

Also, I don't think that this (it would exacerbate violence) claim can be backed up. Meanwhile, reform hasn't been working.

[Novus America]

Umm police will arrest armed individuals. And are more likely to shot armed individuals BTW. The Stonewall Riots were not even a riot per se either and not armed. LGBT rights were not accomplished by armed militias...

Gun clubs are a manifestation of a radical take on direct action. Stonewall was a different form of radical direct action, but it was fundamentally coming from the same place.

Stonewall was a bar brawl the police started. Not some organized "direct action".
And radical "direct action" is quite often completely counter productive.