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Postby Ganos Lao » Tue May 17, 2016 9:55 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:I've now said it three times: arming minority communities.


Are they not already? Those "gangstas" aren't ruining families with their bare hands, after all.



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Ganos Lao wrote:The black man's KKK


I wasn't aware any black organization lynched thousands of whites. Please, will you tell more of this great fairy tale?
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I mean really. If you're going to oppose a movement, don't try to steal its name and acronym.
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Postby Talvezout » Tue May 17, 2016 9:56 pm

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The New Sea Territory wrote:As I said earlier, arming minority communities is one possibility. Black Panther-style gun clubs.


So you want African Americans to fight police brutality with...terrorism? I mean, African Americans won't be seen as criminals anymore now that they're going to be stereotyped as terrorists instead.

Maybe that would take the heat off Muslims?


Well, who knows.

Maybe the two extremes might hate-mate and we'll get a nice moderate baby.
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Postby Novus America » Tue May 17, 2016 9:56 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
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Experience tells me when someone screams Strawman repeatedly it means something is closer to the truth than is comfortable.


You must have a lot of experience with strawmen.

Whatever. You either know what you said is intentionally misleading, or you really don't understand anarchism.

And all you've done is gone on an All Cops Are Pigs rant without offering any semblance of a proposal yourself.


I've now said it three times: arming minority communities.


As we have said, minority communities already have access to guns. MORE armed gangs in said comunities will not make things better.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Tue May 17, 2016 9:57 pm

Gauthier wrote:So basically warlordism. Great idea.


Clearly, responding to aggression with self-defense is warlordism.

Well, if liberal reform ever starts changing things in more than name, maybe I'll change my position.
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Postby Grande Republic of Arcadia » Tue May 17, 2016 9:57 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
Ganos Lao wrote:The black man's KKK


I wasn't aware any black organization lynched thousands of whites. Please, will you tell more of this great fairy tale?

but the BLM have cause riots and some have advocated for the death of police officers so at least the KKK can keep order.
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Postby Gauthier » Tue May 17, 2016 9:58 pm

Novus America wrote:
The New Sea Territory wrote:
You must have a lot of experience with strawmen.

Whatever. You either know what you said is intentionally misleading, or you really don't understand anarchism.



I've now said it three times: arming minority communities.


As we have said, minority communities already have access to guns. MORE armed gangs in said comunities will not make things better.


The gangs are supposed to harmoniously work together in defense of the community!
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Postby Novus America » Tue May 17, 2016 9:59 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
Gauthier wrote:So basically warlordism. Great idea.


Clearly, responding to aggression with self-defense is warlordism.

Well, if liberal reform ever starts changing things in more than name, maybe I'll change my position.


Again it cleary has changed things! Things are much better now than they were in the 1800s.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue May 17, 2016 9:59 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
Ganos Lao wrote:The black man's KKK


I wasn't aware any black organization lynched thousands of whites. Please, will you tell more of this great fairy tale?


Violence:
http://dcgazette.com/2016/its-on-black- ... rump-wins/
http://www.wnd.com/2015/11/experts-warn ... es-can-do/

Racism:
http://www.dartreview.com/eyes-wide-ope ... e-protest/



Not the only incidents.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Tue May 17, 2016 9:59 pm

Novus America wrote:
The New Sea Territory wrote:
You must have a lot of experience with strawmen.

Whatever. You either know what you said is intentionally misleading, or you really don't understand anarchism.



I've now said it three times: arming minority communities.


As we have said, minority communities already have access to guns. MORE armed gangs in said comunities will not make things better.


Note the difference between armed gangs, which are criminal enterprises, and gun clubs.

I get what you are saying, minorities have firearms. They have no legitimate organization, though.
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Postby Liriena » Tue May 17, 2016 9:59 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Liriena wrote:They become enraged by those slogans because they are obvious attempts to misrepresent and undermine the core message of Black Lives Matter. BLM never meant 'Only Black Lives Matter' or 'Black Lives Matter More', but police brutality apologists were quick to spin the three-word slogan into an alleged black supremacist mantra, and hit back with useless tautologies whose only real purpose was to denigrate the plights of black communities.

We know 'all lives matter', we know 'white lives matter too', and most people would agree that 'blue lives matter', but the fact that those three statements were only made in retort to the rise of a movement that proclaimed 'black lives matter' is very telling.


The core message of BLM is based in a falsehood.

That falsehood being... what? That there is no racial bias in the criminal justice system? Because I have at least one DoJ report that says otherwise, and probably more material on Google Scholar than I'd care to single-handedly review.
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Postby Grande Republic of Arcadia » Tue May 17, 2016 10:00 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
The New Sea Territory wrote:
I wasn't aware any black organization lynched thousands of whites. Please, will you tell more of this great fairy tale?


Violence:
http://dcgazette.com/2016/its-on-black- ... rump-wins/
http://www.wnd.com/2015/11/experts-warn ... es-can-do/

Racism:
http://www.dartreview.com/eyes-wide-ope ... e-protest/



Not the only incidents.

So why did those sites you linked us to have porn ads on them?
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Postby Ganos Lao » Tue May 17, 2016 10:00 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
Ganos Lao wrote:The black man's KKK


I wasn't aware any black organization lynched thousands of whites. Please, will you tell more of this great fairy tale?


Nor do you seem to be aware of how this black organization in question considers them a "race of devils" created by the mad scientist Yakub.

Please, will you tell me more about they are a fine and upstanding organization because they're nonviolent douchebags?



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Postby Novus America » Tue May 17, 2016 10:02 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
Novus America wrote:
As we have said, minority communities already have access to guns. MORE armed gangs in said comunities will not make things better.


Note the difference between armed gangs, which are criminal enterprises, and gun clubs.

I get what you are saying, minorities have firearms. They have no legitimate organization, though.


Well okay, sure. I have no problems with gun clubs. But that will not make a difference. What would this accomplish?
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Postby Liriena » Tue May 17, 2016 10:02 pm

Neo Arcad wrote:
Liriena wrote:They become enraged by those slogans because they are obvious attempts to misrepresent and undermine the core message of Black Lives Matter. BLM never meant 'Only Black Lives Matter' or 'Black Lives Matter More', but police brutality apologists were quick to spin the three-word slogan into an alleged black supremacist mantra, and hit back with useless tautologies whose only real purpose was to denigrate the plights of black communities.

We know 'all lives matter', we know 'white lives matter too', and most people would agree that 'blue lives matter', but the fact that those three statements were only made in retort to the rise of a movement that proclaimed 'black lives matter' is very telling.


The difference is that you see open hatred and murder of the police, but not of blacks.

Yes, please, lie to my face. It's not like Dylann Roof is a real person, or that there is plenty of evidence of racial bias in law enforcement.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Tue May 17, 2016 10:02 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
The New Sea Territory wrote:
I wasn't aware any black organization lynched thousands of whites. Please, will you tell more of this great fairy tale?


Violence:
http://dcgazette.com/2016/its-on-black- ... rump-wins/
http://www.wnd.com/2015/11/experts-warn ... es-can-do/

Racism:
http://www.dartreview.com/eyes-wide-ope ... e-protest/



Not the only incidents.


Two links to violent attacks somehow makes BLM comparable to the KKK, and organization that has terrorized black communities (and other minorities) for over a hundred years and has killed thousands?

You're not even trying, and we were talking about the Nation of Islam, not BLM.
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The New Sea Territory wrote:


Two links to violent attacks somehow makes BLM comparable to the KKK, and organization that has terrorized black communities (and other minorities) for over a hundred years and has killed thousands?

You're not even trying, and we were talking about the Nation of Islam, not BLM.


As I Said, those aren't the only incidents, and the second link is about more than one incident of violence targetted at whites from BLM.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Tue May 17, 2016 10:04 pm

Novus America wrote:
The New Sea Territory wrote:
Note the difference between armed gangs, which are criminal enterprises, and gun clubs.

I get what you are saying, minorities have firearms. They have no legitimate organization, though.


Well okay, sure. I have no problems with gun clubs. But that will not make a difference. What would this accomplish?


Police will not harass communities that are prepared to defend themselves. Powerless communities are those that are harassed.

The LGBT community was the same way, then the Stonewall Riots happened and everything started to change. Not immediately, of course, but nowadays, systemic issues with harassment in LGBT communities have stopped for the most part, or at least are no longer violent.
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Postby Gauthier » Tue May 17, 2016 10:05 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Well okay, sure. I have no problems with gun clubs. But that will not make a difference. What would this accomplish?


Police will not harass communities that are prepared to defend themselves. Powerless communities are those that are harassed.

The LGBT community was the same way, then the Stonewall Riots happened and everything started to change. Not immediately, of course, but nowadays, systemic issues with harassment in LGBT communities have stopped for the most part, or at least are no longer violent.


In other words enough guns and the willingness to use them that police will not go there.

There's already places where police won't go and those are real nice neighborhoods I hear.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Tue May 17, 2016 10:06 pm

Ganos Lao wrote:
The New Sea Territory wrote:
I wasn't aware any black organization lynched thousands of whites. Please, will you tell more of this great fairy tale?


Nor do you seem to be aware of how this black organization in question considers them a "race of devils" created by the mad scientist Yakub.


A lot of talk, no action.

Please, will you tell me more about they are a fine and upstanding organization because they're nonviolent douchebags?


I wouldn't say they were nonviolent, or even that great.
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Postby Grande Republic of Arcadia » Tue May 17, 2016 10:06 pm

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Two links to violent attacks somehow makes BLM comparable to the KKK, and organization that has terrorized black communities (and other minorities) for over a hundred years and has killed thousands?

You're not even trying, and we were talking about the Nation of Islam, not BLM.

Yet your still defending an Organization if you would even call them one that promotes Racism towards whites incites riots and has incited several riots and advocated for the death of police and other gov. employees if you truly beleive BLM is in the right you need to educate yourself
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Postby Ganos Lao » Tue May 17, 2016 10:06 pm

Grande Republic of Arcadia wrote:
The New Sea Territory wrote:
I wasn't aware any black organization lynched thousands of whites. Please, will you tell more of this great fairy tale?

but the BLM have cause riots and some have advocated for the death of police officers so at least the KKK can keep order.


My post was pointing out that the NoI are a bunch of racist douchebags. The book, "Message to the Blackman in America," contains numerous references to whites being devils, barbarians, etc. Even Malcolm X mentioned this in his autobiography.

I am merely positing that, consequently, they are no better than the KKK, unless you're the sort to cherry pick and go "yeah? Well, at least they don't lynch people!" and act like that's at all worth mentioning.



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Postby Novus America » Tue May 17, 2016 10:07 pm

Liriena wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
The core message of BLM is based in a falsehood.

That falsehood being... what? That there is no racial bias in the criminal justice system? Because I have at least one DoJ report that says otherwise, and probably more material on Google Scholar than I'd care to single-handedly review.


Well I think his pint was the backs are not being killed by the police in large numbers. Which is true. Obviously there is some racial bias in the criminal justice system.

But the police are not the criminal justice system. For example the laws that give longer sentences for crack over regular cocaine is not a police issue. Not to say that no racism exists in the police. It does but this does not mean the police on the whole are bad.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Tue May 17, 2016 10:08 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:Clearly, responding to aggression with self-defense is warlordism.


It's not warlordism but it would be perpetuating a cycle of violence and exacerbate police violence against African Americans.
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