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Postby Kirav » Sun May 22, 2016 10:30 am

Some cable services offer One America News Network (OANN). It openly declares itself as a conservative station, but (and they make a point of reminding the viewer of this at every commercial break) they take great care to keep their news segments separate from their talk segments. The news segments are very fact-focused and objective, to the point where you wouldn't know that this is a conservative station without them saying it, and they do way more coverage of international news than any of the major networks, whether left- or right-leaning. I really only watched the talk segments twice, and they were pretty much like Fox News.

I don't have cable, so I don't actively watch this channel, but I do subscribe to their RSS feed and read their online stories more or less daily.

You might also do well to seek out individual conservative journalists. Most of the well-established centrist or centre-left publications will have a handful of conservatives-in-residence, such as Ross Douthat at the New York Times and Reihan Salam The Atlantic.

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Postby Basseemia » Sun May 22, 2016 10:34 am

Dinake wrote:
Basseemia wrote:To me the best sources are NPR, TIME, Reuters, The Washington Post, and The Atlantic (my ultimate favorite). The Washington Post does lean left in a few issues but I still have a huge respect for the source and I don't think those few issues really outweigh the amazing reporting TWP has done in the past and continues to do now.

Washington post and Reuters are, on the whole, pretty neutral. The Atlantic is left leaning, but they're no partisan hacks. Same for NPR. TIME is a similar sort of thing.

The Atlantic and TIME have both right leaning and left leaning stances on certain issues. But I still feel that it isn't enough to declare it a very biased source. There's no such thing as a source without any biases however there are several that have fewer than others.
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Postby Ashmoria » Sun May 22, 2016 10:40 am

The Liberated Territories wrote:WSJ and National Review, in my experience.

you have to be a little bit careful with wsj because it is owned by Rupert Murdoch. its no foxnews but it has strayed from reality from time to time.
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Postby Dinake » Sun May 22, 2016 10:43 am

Kirav wrote:Some cable services offer One America News Network (OANN). It openly declares itself as a conservative station, but (and they make a point of reminding the viewer of this at every commercial break) they take great care to keep their news segments separate from their talk segments. The news segments are very fact-focused and objective, to the point where you wouldn't know that this is a conservative station without them saying it, and they do way more coverage of international news than any of the major networks, whether left- or right-leaning. I really only watched the talk segments twice, and they were pretty much like Fox News.

I don't have cable, so I don't actively watch this channel, but I do subscribe to their RSS feed and read their online stories more or less daily.

You might also do well to seek out individual conservative journalists. Most of the well-established centrist or centre-left publications will have a handful of conservatives-in-residence, such as Ross Douthat at the New York Times and Reihan Salam The Atlantic.

Those are mostly op-ed and "wouldn't this be cool" journalists, not straight news.
Nevertheless, they are generally very good.
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Postby Dread Lady Nathicana » Sun May 22, 2016 10:44 am

I'm not sure that there is any major 'news' source that's trustworthy, on either side of the equation. I'm of the steadfast opinion that what qualifies as 'newsworthy' these days is more about ratings, readership, money, and influence than reporting actual events as they happen. This isn't to say that such stories don't get reported - but often the manner in which they are presented, the ferocity and repetition with which they are shoved at us, the methods used to highlight them and name events in the most dramatic and eye-catching of ways? It has become entertainment, as much as these 'reality shows' and various movie channels with their weekly episodes. Only with news, we get it 24/7 - and across every medium I can think of.

I've yet to come across a single one that doesn't have some bias in one direction or another, and even then, it almost seems as though there is an overarching agenda to a great deal of it. Not unlike how local gas stations will agree to a certain selling amount to prevent price wars and what not. I think that politics and news are working hand in hand to influence the general public, to keep us distracted, focused on what they want us focused on, and 'educated' only so far as they want us to be. Proof is all around us, from biased coverage of events, to outright refusal to acknowledge an active third party in the presidential race as often as they can, to stories that pop up only to be quickly buried or removed - there's things that happen all the time. Sure you'll see things crop up, but overall? It's becoming more and more necessary to do some digging, do your own research, compare sources, and make an effort to get to the bottom of some things. Even smaller organizations are not immune to this bias - in fact it can be a lot more blatant when you get out there and see some of the things floating around the internet, posing as 'fact' and 'what they aren't telling you' - which makes any of the less prestigious sources that much harder to be taken seriously when they do get something right that doesn't agree with the party line.

Does this mean nothing we see or read is true? Not at all, but it seems to be getting damnably harder to sift through and get just the facts with how it's being served to us on prepared platters with all the trimmings.

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Postby Kirav » Sun May 22, 2016 10:56 am

Dinake wrote:
Kirav wrote:Some cable services offer One America News Network (OANN). It openly declares itself as a conservative station, but (and they make a point of reminding the viewer of this at every commercial break) they take great care to keep their news segments separate from their talk segments. The news segments are very fact-focused and objective, to the point where you wouldn't know that this is a conservative station without them saying it, and they do way more coverage of international news than any of the major networks, whether left- or right-leaning. I really only watched the talk segments twice, and they were pretty much like Fox News.

I don't have cable, so I don't actively watch this channel, but I do subscribe to their RSS feed and read their online stories more or less daily.

You might also do well to seek out individual conservative journalists. Most of the well-established centrist or centre-left publications will have a handful of conservatives-in-residence, such as Ross Douthat at the New York Times and Reihan Salam The Atlantic.

Those are mostly op-ed and "wouldn't this be cool" journalists, not straight news.
Nevertheless, they are generally very good.


Oh, I agree, I just thought I'd put them out there anyway.

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Postby Ralkovian Grand Island » Sun May 22, 2016 11:34 am

Risottia wrote:
Cinnabarra wrote:So why the imbalance?

Reality has a left-wing bias.


Long-term Reality is actually quite right wing.
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Postby Zoice » Sun May 22, 2016 1:36 pm

Ralkovian Grand Island wrote:
Risottia wrote:Reality has a left-wing bias.


Long-term Reality is actually quite right wing.

It really isn't. Long term reality is a whole bunch of right wingers trying to make the world as bad as it used to be and lefties trying to fix it.
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Postby Dinake » Sun May 22, 2016 1:37 pm

Zoice wrote:
Ralkovian Grand Island wrote:
Long-term Reality is actually quite right wing.

It really isn't. Long term reality is a whole bunch of right wingers trying to make the world as bad as it used to be and lefties trying to fix it.

Are there any problems you don't blame on right-wingers? Like, at all?
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Postby Ralkovian Grand Island » Sun May 22, 2016 1:42 pm

Zoice wrote:
Ralkovian Grand Island wrote:
Long-term Reality is actually quite right wing.

It really isn't. Long term reality is a whole bunch of right wingers trying to make the world as bad as it used to be and lefties trying to fix it.


Not quite. It's an important exchange of ideas, with the right wing tempering the decisions of the left, until such a time society is ready and able to implement it. Both sides actively fix the World, keeping each other in check.

If you have the simplistic notion that the left-wing is good and the right-wing is bad, you've been fed way too much of your own propaganda.
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Postby Major-Tom » Sun May 22, 2016 1:55 pm

Zoice wrote:
Ralkovian Grand Island wrote:
Long-term Reality is actually quite right wing.

It really isn't. Long term reality is a whole bunch of right wingers trying to make the world as bad as it used to be and lefties trying to fix it.


I think we both know that the claim "reality has a left wing bias" is a really narrow minded, self righteous way of viewing the world around us, or maybe it's just an easy way for somebody to dismiss counterarguments.

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Zoice wrote:It really isn't. Long term reality is a whole bunch of right wingers trying to make the world as bad as it used to be and lefties trying to fix it.


I think we both know that the claim "reality has a left wing bias" is a really narrow minded, self righteous way of viewing the world around us, or maybe it's just an easy way for somebody to dismiss counterarguments.


Well Zoice is a regressive leftist.
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Postby Free Missouri » Sun May 22, 2016 2:05 pm

Cinnabarra wrote:It stroke me as a foreigner that America has a lot of well-respected and trusted newspapers leaning more or less to the left, be it left-wing or liberal. Several examples such as the New York Times, the LA Times, and a multitude of other famous papers. Of course, they are not all sternly polarized, but most of the stories they run, excluding opinion sections, are tilted toward the Democrats.

On the other hand, several right-wing news sources, more or less conservative, such as Fox News or Breitbart tend to run rather aggressive stories and in my opinion blow a lot of things out of proportion, even though I consider myself "leaning Republican". They also seem to be of a lesser importance, with less distinguished writers.

So why the imbalance? Are there any conservative news out there that won't call out Obama on his birth certificate or endorse Trump or criticize college students? In short, are there trustworthy conservatives newspapers or TV channels appealing to a wide range of right-wing opinions?


Ok, look at Fox News on your television.

Now drop down one channel.

See "Fox Business News"?

It's better than Fox, still kind of pro-trump on some fronts, but still far better on almost every front. For added bonus tune in to Stossel.
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Postby Zoice » Sun May 22, 2016 4:56 pm

Dinake wrote:
Zoice wrote:It really isn't. Long term reality is a whole bunch of right wingers trying to make the world as bad as it used to be and lefties trying to fix it.

Are there any problems you don't blame on right-wingers? Like, at all?

Of course. Left wing has plenty of problems. Just not as many.
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Zoice wrote:It really isn't. Long term reality is a whole bunch of right wingers trying to make the world as bad as it used to be and lefties trying to fix it.


I think we both know that the claim "reality has a left wing bias" is a really narrow minded, self righteous way of viewing the world around us, or maybe it's just an easy way for somebody to dismiss counterarguments.

It's just a snarky phrase.

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Major-Tom wrote:
I think we both know that the claim "reality has a left wing bias" is a really narrow minded, self righteous way of viewing the world around us, or maybe it's just an easy way for somebody to dismiss counterarguments.


Well Zoice is a regressive leftist.


Nope.
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Postby UniversalCommons » Tue May 31, 2016 9:25 am

Why bother with a particular slant when you can read the news directly from the wires. Reuters and AP can be read directly from the news wires without bias. Reading the news as it comes out is very different than reading it a day later. A lot of changes happen; corrections, objections to racial or political content, claims of bias, etc. To claim something is credible after an extensive release to the public is not very likely.
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Postby Valystria » Tue May 31, 2016 9:33 am

Cinnabarra wrote:I
On the other hand, several right-wing news sources, more or less conservative, such as Fox News or Breitbart tend to run rather aggressive stories and in my opinion blow a lot of things out of proportion, even though I consider myself "leaning Republican". They also seem to be of a lesser importance, with less distinguished writers.

Have you ever tried reading Breitbart within the last few years after Andrew Breitbart's death? I assume not or you wouldn't be in lockstep with the NSG position on it.

Breitbart for years now has consistently been running with well-sourced and entirely factual articles.

Any criticisms date back to before Andrew Breitbart's death and not after.
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Postby Timsvill » Tue May 31, 2016 9:36 am

All news sources are biased. What we should be looking for is a news source that isn't biased and just gives you the news and lets you formulate your own opinion from the news.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue May 31, 2016 9:38 am

Breitbart is pretty good these days, especially for finding news reports that go against things other news sites are pushing, so i'd recommend it as counter-arguments to left wing stories. Any major story leading in left wing papers is probably going to have a breitbart story where they talk about the bits left out of the other ones. The Guardian, Independent, and BBC are pretty notorious for leaving out aspects of a story that inconvenience their position, so if you're getting news from there, it's good to check Breitbart to balance it out.

Other than that, The Atlantic, while left-leaning overall, has some right-learning and alt-right articles. I'm fond of them for their treatment of the MRM on occasion and their airing of mens issues fairly frequently.

Fox News isn't too bad provided you know what to look for and how to pick it apart, though the televised segments are awful.

Forbes is good.

The Economist...

There's quite a few.
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Postby Zoice » Tue May 31, 2016 9:40 am

Valystria wrote:
Cinnabarra wrote:I
On the other hand, several right-wing news sources, more or less conservative, such as Fox News or Breitbart tend to run rather aggressive stories and in my opinion blow a lot of things out of proportion, even though I consider myself "leaning Republican". They also seem to be of a lesser importance, with less distinguished writers.

Have you ever tried reading Breitbart within the last few years after Andrew Breitbart's death? I assume not or you wouldn't be in lockstep with the NSG position on it.

Breitbart for years now has consistently been running with well-sourced and entirely factual articles.

Any criticisms date back to before Andrew Breitbart's death and not after.

Entirely untrue. Breitbart changed, and I wasn't familiar with it during the previous era of Breitbart, but right now it has a hard right wing bias. Some articles are just "this fact happened" and those ones are fine, but there are plenty that go full "jet fuel doesn't burn that hot" crazy right wing.
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Encyclopaedia Britannica, anything before the 15th edition, though I recommend the 14th edition 1949 because it is up-to-date without having bad news in it.
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Postby Trotskylvania » Tue May 31, 2016 12:23 pm

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Dinake wrote:Fox gets a bad rap, but it's not nearly as bad as people say. Of course, it's not exactly a pillar of journalistic integrity either, but if that's what you're looking for you shouldn't rely on cable news anyway. I suppose CNN comes closest, but even that isn't the greatest.
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As it was once said "Forbes reads like the operating manual of a strangely sanctimonious pirate ship."
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Postby Staythefout » Tue May 31, 2016 12:38 pm

Breitbart, Townhall, the Federalist, and National Review are pretty good...they've made a handful of errors I can think of "off hand" but nothing major.

fox leans right but is nowhere near as biased as people say, they have plenty of debate from both sides and plenty of the conservative commentators take moderate stances on a lot of issues.

vdare has some ballsy reporting but I can see why people would be turned off by it. Infowars has fringe aspects to it but they point out shit others are afraid to.

It's funny that you even have to ask this question...mainstream media get away with lying and distorting the truth constantly and people around here always jump on you if you use any conservative sight as if only msnbc (edited zimmerman's 911 tape to make him look racist) or cnn (faked war footage) or salon (accused new york times of slut shaming for mentioning that a woman who fell off a roof was seeing her boyfriend) can tell the truth. Look around you, there is an agenda everywhere.
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Postby Xadufell » Tue May 31, 2016 12:41 pm

Breitbart's pretty good, I'd also reccomend Drudge Report.
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Postby Staythefout » Tue May 31, 2016 12:42 pm

Xadufell wrote:Breitbart's pretty good, I'd also reccomend Drudge Report.
Nothing else to really say.

too bad drudge never really does reporting of their own
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Postby The Sapiens » Tue May 31, 2016 12:50 pm

Val Halla wrote:I don't think that a news source that favours an ideology really can be trustworthy. It is biased by it's very nature.

Having an opinion or ideology does not equal bias. Having those opinions because of upbringing or something else like that does equal bias.

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