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This is the discussion thread for Monarchists and about Monarchism. So, let's get down to it with a question:
Do you think Europe could realistically become Monarchist again?

I believe yes, but with considerable Right-Wing influence, which is ironic, since I'm a Liberal Socially Democratic Monarchist.
So perhaps, should us Liberal Monarchists align ourselves with our idealogical opposites to bring back Monarchism?

Great Feng wrote:Do you think Europe could realistically become Monarchist again?

My short answer is no.

My long answer is still no.

Valaran wrote:

Great Feng wrote:Do you think Europe could realistically become Monarchist again?

My short answer is no.

My long answer is still no.

Not absolute monarchies. I'm talking about Monarchies where the monarch holds some power, but is checked by the democratically elected Prime Minister/President.

Great Feng wrote:

Valaran wrote:
My short answer is no.

My long answer is still no.

Not absolute monarchies. I'm talking about Monarchies where the monarch holds some power, but is checked by the democratically elected Prime Minister/President.

My answer was for any sort of monarchy that is termed as such (a de facto dynasty of dictators could probably get away with it).

There are still several monarchs in Europe, most notably Queen Elizebeth II of the United Kingdom. There is also Spain, Belgium, Denmark, the Netherlands, Norway and Luxembourg.

changed poll to a more suitable one.

Poll answer: UK style Constitutional

Personally speaking, regardless of if it is possible or not, I think that fundamentally a monarchical system of government, such as in the most democratic countries in the world, is better, more stable and democratic than a system in which the head of state is elected. I've heard that there are certainly some countries which are thinking of restoring their monarchies, such as Serbia, and definitely think that restoration of the monarchies in Europe would be a net positive for country and people alike.

Noraika wrote:Poll answer: UK style Constitutional

Personally speaking, regardless of if it is possible or not, I think that fundamentally a monarchical system of government, such as in the most democratic countries in the world, is better, more stable and democratic than a system in which the head of state is elected. I've heard that there are certainly some countries which are thinking of restoring their monarchies, such as Serbia, and definitely think that restoration of the monarchies in Europe would be a net positive for country and people alike.

I agree. Though I'd rather have it be Liberal, and the powers of the monarch be curbed and limited, but still they should have practical power and political influence, and not be like the UK style. I'm working on my own style, which I'll post a thread about eventually discussing it.

I'm only a monarchist in so far as I believe that if the people of nation x like their monarchy, they should keep it. But as a system of government itself I don't find it espcially attractive, and I am largely opposed to absolute monarchies.

In the case of my own nation, I'm decently supportive of the British monarchy.

Valaran wrote:I'm only a monarchist in so far as I believe that if the people of nation x like their monarchy, they should keep it. But as a system of government itself I don't find it espcially attractive, and I am largely opposed to absolute monarchies.

In the case of my own nation, I'm decently supportive of the British monarchy.

I strongly hate Absolute monarchies, but I hate no monarchy and monarchies that also hold no power.
I aim to have a decent compromise between powerless and absolute, with more power than the UK monarchy but not too much power.

Great Feng wrote:

Valaran wrote:I'm only a monarchist in so far as I believe that if the people of nation x like their monarchy, they should keep it. But as a system of government itself I don't find it espcially attractive, and I am largely opposed to absolute monarchies.

In the case of my own nation, I'm decently supportive of the British monarchy.

I strongly hate Absolute monarchies, but I hate no monarchy and monarchies that also hold no power.
I aim to have a decent compromise between powerless and absolute, with more power than the UK monarchy but not too much power.

Why should someone be born into a position of power?

Dooom35796821595 wrote:

Great Feng wrote:I strongly hate Absolute monarchies, but I hate no monarchy and monarchies that also hold no power.
I aim to have a decent compromise between powerless and absolute, with more power than the UK monarchy but not too much power.

Why should someone be born into a position of power?

In my idea, you can also adopt an heir, a talented one, and marriage alliances are still useful and help preserve peace.

Great Feng wrote:I aim to have a decent compromise between powerless and absolute, with more power than the UK monarchy but not too much power.

What additional power would it have?

Great Feng wrote:

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
Why should someone be born into a position of power?

In my idea, you can also adopt an heir, a talented one, and marriage alliances are still useful and help preserve peace.

You should expand on what you consider your ideal monarchy in the OP. It would also give more debating points.

Valaran wrote:

Great Feng wrote:I aim to have a decent compromise between powerless and absolute, with more power than the UK monarchy but not too much power.

What additional power would it have?

-Ability to declare war(But senate can veto it with a majority vote)
-Ability to appoint lower-level officials that aren't democratically elected positions.
-Ability to have Presidential level power(The same amount of power the UK Prime Minister has) during a national Crisis, especially when the democratic side of the parliament isn't functionable.

I'm an integrist monarchist. Close cooperation between church and state, a strong nobility, and a very great deal of power for the monarch are all features of such a system.

Dinake wrote:very great deal of power for the monarch

Infinite power corrupts infinitely.

/notamonarchist

My type of thread has finally arrived!

I'm more of a constitutional monarchist, but still with some absolutism in there.

In most monarchies the position is virtually powerless, and this 'position' is one of strong cultural importance, as a symbol of the nation which the people can rally around without the influence of petty political differences. It is a symbol of an aspect of stability, of a position which remains and which is there, despite the comings and goings of party leaders and the changing times and social norms. The monarch is a symbol of stability, and continuity, which balances out the constant change of modern politics. It is a symbol of the nation itself, and directly ties the people to their heritage.

In a UK style monarchy, the monarch is all these things, while not at all infringing upon the democratic will of the people being able to be exercised through the Members of Parliament. I actually see very few reasons why a country should not restore their monarchies. I think it'd be an excellent idea on multiple levels.

I'm an unapologetic monarchist. I don't think monarchies are going to be in vogue anytime soon, but I still would love to see it.

I think monarchism is the ideal form of government, with the monarch serving as a check to democraticlly elected officials. Basically I'm in favour of a UK form of monarchism where the monarch is a little bit more involved in the governing of the nation.

Britanania wrote:I'm an unapologetic monarchist. I don't think monarchies are going to be in vogue anytime soon, but I still would love to see it.

I think monarchism is the ideal form of government, with the monarch serving as a check to democraticlly elected officials. Basically I'm in favour of a UK form of monarchism where the monarch is a little bit more involved in the governing of the nation.

That's essentially my idea.

Great Feng wrote:

Britanania wrote:I'm an unapologetic monarchist. I don't think monarchies are going to be in vogue anytime soon, but I still would love to see it.

I think monarchism is the ideal form of government, with the monarch serving as a check to democraticlly elected officials. Basically I'm in favour of a UK form of monarchism where the monarch is a little bit more involved in the governing of the nation.

That's essentially my idea.

What makes you favor the UK? I myself prefer the Prussian form of monarchism, for it seems more efficient to me.

Engleberg wrote:

Great Feng wrote:That's essentially my idea.

What makes you favor the UK? I myself prefer the Prussian form of monarchism, for it seems more efficient to me.

Mostly because modern people are too used to the idea of democracy to get rid of it entirely. Giving them a little bit of say, just enough to maintain stability. The UK model, or more accurately a modified version of a Parliamentarian system, at leas gives the illusion of democracy

La Republique nous appelle!

Really, I don't understand the appeal of monarchy beyond bling.