Monarchist discussion thread

[Redsection]

It seems monarchists have not realized their kings crown is from Burger King ......

But in all seriousness I think monarchies run alongside a fascist state are the best , for example when under Franco's rule there was still a king , and the same with mussolini.

[NeuPolska]

No modern supporters of fascism have actually lived in a fascist state.

[Soyouso]

I am a fascist, and because I prefer authoritarian leadership I wouldn't mind a monarch, as it is one of the leader types that could fit fascist criteria. Granted they and any heirs are trained thoroughly and are competent enough. So I support it, but I am not strictly a monarchist per say.

Yes, to answer the OP. If a movement of monarchists got big enough, you could make Europe monarchist again, But you guys have many enemies, many people who want to fight you guys. So if you want monarchy in Europe again, all types of monarchists would have to put their differences aside and start a movement. Before you fight each other you should at least get a foundation, mm? And there is my advice.

An alliance between us monarchists and you fascists would be temporary, I can assure you of that.

But if it can bring our monarchs back, it's a necessary evil.

Indeed. Listen, us fascists seek to bring back the glory of our nation, give our people a reason to be proud, and enforce a stable system worth being nationalist over. It is possible for a monarch to be fascist if the choosing of the heirs is based on their merit.
I'd personally prefer a flat out dictator, but an absolute or at the very least authoritarian monarch is also fine by me. But we can all agree, no matter what type we want, that modern day leadership is not stable enough, and needs a better system, hm? I do believe it'd be better for Europe. I am (US) American, but the Europeans deserve better than the shite they have to deal with nowadays.

[NeuPolska]

Indeed. Listen, us fascists seek to bring back the glory of our nation, give our people a reason to be proud, and enforce a stable system worth being nationalist over. It is possible for a monarch to be fascist if the choosing of the heirs is based on their merit.
I'd personally prefer a flat out dictator, but an absolute or at the very least authoritarian monarch is also fine by me. But we can all agree, no matter what type we want, that modern day leadership is not stable enough, and needs a better system, hm? I do believe it'd be better for Europe. I am (US) American, but the Europeans deserve better than the shite they have to deal with nowadays.

That's all great, but fascism typically accomplishes that through militarism and authoritarianism. Monarchs, even absolute ones, don't necessarily have the same level of control as dictators. Dictators, at least first-generation ones, screw with a fundamental part of monarchy as well: he who doesn't seek power should rule. Dictators not only want power, but seek to keep it through their strong military and propaganda, as well as control over the media.

But yes, we can agree that modern leadership is not stable. Europe is run by corrupt kurwas that don't understand their people. They are not being accurately represented. I myself am a European expat (take a wild guess where I'm from), and most probable heir of two sizable properties.

[Soyouso]

Indeed. Listen, us fascists seek to bring back the glory of our nation, give our people a reason to be proud, and enforce a stable system worth being nationalist over. It is possible for a monarch to be fascist if the choosing of the heirs is based on their merit.
I'd personally prefer a flat out dictator, but an absolute or at the very least authoritarian monarch is also fine by me. But we can all agree, no matter what type we want, that modern day leadership is not stable enough, and needs a better system, hm? I do believe it'd be better for Europe. I am (US) American, but the Europeans deserve better than the shite they have to deal with nowadays.

That's all great, but fascism typically accomplishes that through militarism and authoritarianism. Monarchs, even absolute ones, don't necessarily have the same level of control as dictators. Dictators, at least first-generation ones, screw with a fundamental part of monarchy as well: he who doesn't seek power should rule. Dictators not only want power, but seek to keep it through their strong military and propaganda, as well as control over the media.

But yes, we can agree that modern leadership is not stable. Europe is run by corrupt kurwas that don't understand their people. They are not being accurately represented. I myself am a European expat (take a wild guess where I'm from), and most probable heir of two sizable properties.

I see your point. But an absolute monarch can just as easily do the same thing as a dictator, there are just certain boundaries they typically don't cross like a dictator would. And all nations have propaganda, for they all want to maintain control over their people, even the less tyrant-like ones do it. Either way, a nation should be able to prove their ability beyond propaganda. If the only reason the people like a leader is because they showed them fake pictures then that is the sign of an incompetent leader who must be replaced for someone who deserves it.

I do hope that more nations have more nationalist leaders, whose first value is their country. Even if not fascist, those who actually give a damn about their nation are better for leadership, for they will represent their people. This way they'll put their people before their own selfish desires and do what is best for them. A monarch is more likely to do this than a president who won office through a popularity contest, taking money from enemy nations and buying votes. *cough* *cough* Hillary Clinton *cough*

[Secundus Imperium Romanum]

A constitutional monarchy with the powers of each legally defined is the best option for a people in general, the problem of the monarchist cause spread are the people listening to certain absolutists and think that we will regress to the middle ages.

[The Princes of the Universe]

An alliance between us monarchists and you fascists would be temporary, I can assure you of that.
But if it can bring our monarchs back, it's a necessary evil.

I would never ally with a fascist. Fascists cannot be trusted.

[Escocaria]

An alliance between us monarchists and you fascists would be temporary, I can assure you of that.
But if it can bring our monarchs back, it's a necessary evil.

I would never ally with a fascist. Fascists cannot be trusted.

Fascists can be trusted to not be trusted, this just makes them useful to exploit.

[The Princes of the Universe]

I would never ally with a fascist. Fascists cannot be trusted.

Fascists can be trusted to not be trusted, this just makes them useful to exploit.

Personally, I favour a standing directive of no quarter when it comes to fascists.

[Old Tyrannia]

I'm a UK-Style Constitutional monarchy...if the monarch had more power and was actively involved in politics. The aristocracy also still exists but is mostly uninvolved in politics aside from doing their duty as citizens of the Empire. The government itself is also slightly more militaristic due to cultural differences but is still mostly similar to the UK model.

General is an OOC forum.

[Escocaria]

I'm a UK-Style Constitutional monarchy...if the monarch had more power and was actively involved in politics. The aristocracy also still exists but is mostly uninvolved in politics aside from doing their duty as citizens of the Empire. The government itself is also slightly more militaristic due to cultural differences but is still mostly similar to the UK model.

General is an OOC forum.

I thought I saw people saying what government form they were in NS. My mistake then...

[Salus Maior]

I myself am a European expat (take a wild guess where I'm from), and most probable heir of two sizable properties.

Germany.

I jest.

[Salus Maior]

An alliance between us monarchists and you fascists would be temporary, I can assure you of that.
But if it can bring our monarchs back, it's a necessary evil.

I would never ally with a fascist. Fascists cannot be trusted.

I would generally agree. Although I am a bit on the authoritarian side myself, in a Monarchist form.