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Which is more important:

A. Getting education dollars to disadvantaged and disabled children.
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B. Getting rid of sexually segregated bathrooms in public schools.
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C. Not sure.
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Postby Renewed Imperial Germany » Mon May 16, 2016 10:14 am

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High standards of debate. Silver medal quality at least.

Well, his argument shifted to it's just the enforcement of law and I thought I'd show that there were inconsistencies in the President's choice of law enforcement.

Now, if you want to talk about how where most of the blame lies regarding how this current state of affairs regarding Title IX came about it's because someone managed to convince some judge that a person's mental perception of their gender was equal to the physicality of their sexual anatomy.


"Mental Perception." Yeah, sorry to burst your transphobic bubble, but gender is a very real thing based on this little thing, of little import to Republicans, called "science."
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Mon May 16, 2016 10:24 am

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MightyQuinn wrote:Well, his argument shifted to it's just the enforcement of law and I thought I'd show that there were inconsistencies in the President's choice of law enforcement.

Now, if you want to talk about how where most of the blame lies regarding how this current state of affairs regarding Title IX came about it's because someone managed to convince some judge that a person's mental perception of their gender was equal to the physicality of their sexual anatomy.


"Mental Perception." Yeah, sorry to burst your transphobic bubble, but gender is a very real thing based on this little thing, of little import to Republicans, called "science."

Gender is entirely a mental perception.

That said, I don't think the bathroom is some sanctified place. If someone walks like a woman and looks like a woman, I wouldn't feel comfortable sharing a restroom with them regardless of whether or not they were male.
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Postby Zoice » Mon May 16, 2016 10:25 am

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MightyQuinn wrote:Well, his argument shifted to it's just the enforcement of law and I thought I'd show that there were inconsistencies in the President's choice of law enforcement.

Now, if you want to talk about how where most of the blame lies regarding how this current state of affairs regarding Title IX came about it's because someone managed to convince some judge that a person's mental perception of their gender was equal to the physicality of their sexual anatomy.


"Mental Perception." Yeah, sorry to burst your transphobic bubble, but gender is a very real thing based on this little thing, of little import to Republicans, called "science."

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Postby Quokkastan » Mon May 16, 2016 10:28 am

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Wallenburg wrote:So you want Obama to stop enforcing federal law?

Yet Republicans complain that Obama won't enforce immigration law. You can't have it both ways.

Let's be clear. The President would get a lot less grief if he didn't cherry pick the laws that he wanted or didn't want to enforce.

So, for the President to be consistent in cutting funding from the people that are not complying with Federal law, he needs to stop sending money to sanctuary cities.

You are determined to blame Obama for this.

Never mind that the states knowingly enacted legislation they knew would make them ineligible. Never mind their legislation is stupid and bigoted. Never mind they could fix this problem in an instant themselves. It's Obama's fault for doing his job.

And your argument is, "well, he doesn't always do his job, so he shouldn't have done his job here either. Because this time it would make me happy."

There's just no reasoning with you.
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Postby Jamzmania » Mon May 16, 2016 10:47 am

While it seems to be a wrongful application of Title IX, maybe we should stop sucking off the federal teat anyway. They would have this leverage if we didn't take their money.
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Postby Linux and the X » Mon May 16, 2016 11:03 am

Jamzmania wrote:While it seems to be a wrongful application of Title IX, maybe we should stop sucking off the federal teat anyway. They would have this leverage if we didn't take their money.

A third of the North Carolina budget comes directly from the federal government. Not to mention the indirect benefits of federal funding.
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Postby Esternial » Mon May 16, 2016 11:23 am

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Wallenburg wrote:Which is why the NC legislators have pissed me off even more. They are willing to hurt vulnerable children just for the sake of being assholes to transgender people.

Then again, the Feds could stop being assholes and back off of cutting the funds

So just shut up and dish out the money even if states violate your new terms? Sounds like Commie rhetoric.

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Postby MightyQuinn » Mon May 16, 2016 12:08 pm

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"Mental Perception." Yeah, sorry to burst your transphobic bubble, but gender is a very real thing based on this little thing, of little import to Republicans, called "science."

Don't say the s word around them.

Like one shouldn't use the term, "physical reality" when dealing with kool-aid drinking Democrats.

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Postby Vassenor » Mon May 16, 2016 12:09 pm

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Zoice wrote:Don't say the s word around them.

Like one shouldn't use the term, "physical reality" when dealing with kool-aid drinking Democrats.


What're you implying?
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Postby MightyQuinn » Mon May 16, 2016 12:13 pm

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MightyQuinn wrote:Then again, the Feds could stop being assholes and back off of cutting the funds

So just shut up and dish out the money even if states violate your new terms? Sounds like Commie rhetoric.

I like that you said, "new terms". It just proves that this is a decree after the legislation was enacted. Imperial Totalitarianism at it's finest.

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Postby Gauthier » Mon May 16, 2016 12:17 pm

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MightyQuinn wrote:Like one shouldn't use the term, "physical reality" when dealing with kool-aid drinking Democrats.


What're you implying?


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Postby MightyQuinn » Mon May 16, 2016 12:21 pm

Jamzmania wrote:While it seems to be a wrongful application of Title IX, maybe we should stop sucking off the federal teat anyway. They would have this leverage if we didn't take their money.

Yeah, it's time to wean a lot of people off of the Federal Teat.

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Postby MightyQuinn » Mon May 16, 2016 12:21 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
What're you implying?


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Postby Vassenor » Mon May 16, 2016 12:29 pm

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Esternial wrote:So just shut up and dish out the money even if states violate your new terms? Sounds like Commie rhetoric.

I like that you said, "new terms". It just proves that this is a decree after the legislation was enacted. Imperial Totalitarianism at it's finest.


OK, now I'm confused. What point are you even trying to make any more?
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Postby MightyQuinn » Mon May 16, 2016 12:33 pm

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MightyQuinn wrote:I like that you said, "new terms". It just proves that this is a decree after the legislation was enacted. Imperial Totalitarianism at it's finest.


OK, now I'm confused. What point are you even trying to make any more?

If you figure out who/what I'm responding to, then it will make sense. Good luck.

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Postby Esternial » Mon May 16, 2016 12:42 pm

MightyQuinn wrote:
Esternial wrote:So just shut up and dish out the money even if states violate your new terms? Sounds like Commie rhetoric.

I like that you said, "new terms". It just proves that this is a decree after the legislation was enacted. Imperial Totalitarianism at it's finest.

MightyQuinn wrote:
Esternial wrote:So just shut up and dish out the money even if states violate your new terms? Sounds like Commie rhetoric.

I like that you said, "new terms". It just proves that this is a decree after the legislation was enacted. Imperial Totalitarianism at it's finest.

He's well within his rights to do so.

If you're calling this "Imperial Totalitarianism", then you're just admitting the United States is actually an Imperial state, which isn't in the slightest current President Obama's fault. If you want to change that you shouldn't be whining about Despot Obama but about the entire system and government, regardless of who is pulling the strings.

Can't blame a bus driver for a shitty bus. He just drives it. Blame the company the owns it and the employees supposed to maintain it (e.g. politicians in general, particularly those that once gave the president this power of totalitarian proportions) and the people that appoint those employees: the American people.

So it's your fault. Your ancestors' fault, in particular. It's everybody's fault.
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Postby MightyQuinn » Mon May 16, 2016 1:01 pm

Esternial wrote:He's well within his rights to do so.

If you're calling this "Imperial Totalitarianism", then you're just admitting the United States is actually an Imperial state, which isn't in the slightest current President Obama's fault. If you want to change that you shouldn't be whining about Despot Obama but about the entire system and government, regardless of who is pulling the strings.

Can't blame a bus driver for a shitty bus. He just drives it. Blame the company the owns it and the employees supposed to maintain it (e.g. politicians in general, particularly those that once gave the president this power of totalitarian proportions) and the people that appoint those employees: the American people.

So it's your fault. Your ancestors' fault, in particular. It's everybody's fault.

That's overly simplistic, but contains a grain of truth.

A lot of this shit goes back to F.D.R., Coolidge and others that I probably don't recognize.

You can blame a bus driver for driving a bus he knows is unsafe.

The American people are not all of one mind. So many are passengers on the bus or the ship or the vehicle and so many are reaching for "the wheel" to guide it towards a better course and there is very little agreement.

Would love to ramble on but I have to go to work.

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Postby Esternial » Mon May 16, 2016 1:06 pm

MightyQuinn wrote:
Esternial wrote:He's well within his rights to do so.

If you're calling this "Imperial Totalitarianism", then you're just admitting the United States is actually an Imperial state, which isn't in the slightest current President Obama's fault. If you want to change that you shouldn't be whining about Despot Obama but about the entire system and government, regardless of who is pulling the strings.

Can't blame a bus driver for a shitty bus. He just drives it. Blame the company the owns it and the employees supposed to maintain it (e.g. politicians in general, particularly those that once gave the president this power of totalitarian proportions) and the people that appoint those employees: the American people.

So it's your fault. Your ancestors' fault, in particular. It's everybody's fault.

That's overly simplistic, but contains a grain of truth.

A lot of this shit goes back to F.D.R., Coolidge and others that I probably don't recognize.

You can blame a bus driver for driving a bus he knows is unsafe.

The American people are not all of one mind. So many are passengers on the bus or the ship or the vehicle and so many are reaching for "the wheel" to guide it towards a better course and there is very little agreement.

Would love to ramble on but I have to go to work.

Well yeah it's a metaphor.

Sure, maybe you can blame him, but in the end the majority of the blame doesn't lie with him, yet people keep focusing their ire on the bus driver and can't stop calling him a despot.

Trying to grab a bus driver's wheel while he's driving the bus is generally unwise. The driver got a license to drive that bus. Some Joe off the street does not, but I'll concede that isn't stopping him from claiming he can drive a bus.
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Postby Zoice » Mon May 16, 2016 2:36 pm

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Zoice wrote:Don't say the s word around them.

Like one shouldn't use the term, "physical reality" when dealing with kool-aid drinking Democrats.

Brains are physical objects, that can be studied scientifically.
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Postby Wallenburg » Mon May 16, 2016 5:34 pm

MightyQuinn wrote:
Esternial wrote:So just shut up and dish out the money even if states violate your new terms? Sounds like Commie rhetoric.

I like that you said, "new terms". It just proves that this is a decree after the legislation was enacted. Imperial Totalitarianism at it's finest.

Dynamic interpretation is imperial totalitarianism.

Riiiight.

By that logic, racial segregation is a-okay.
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Postby Greed and Death » Mon May 16, 2016 5:38 pm

Esternial wrote:
MightyQuinn wrote:Then again, the Feds could stop being assholes and back off of cutting the funds

So just shut up and dish out the money even if states violate your new terms? Sounds like Commie rhetoric.

There is a question over if the terms are authorized by the statute as Trans status is not likely to be classified as a disability.
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Postby Unified Heartless States » Mon May 16, 2016 6:04 pm

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Postby Liriena » Mon May 16, 2016 6:13 pm

MightyQuinn wrote:Imperial Totalitarianism at it's finest.

I'm pretty sure you don't know what either of those words mean, let alone live under a regime that actually fits that description.

Seriously, do you have any idea what a totalitarian regime is actually like? How a totalitarian regime handles dissidents? And how the heck is a legitimately elected president acting within the boundaries of constitutional law in any way "imperial"?
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Postby Libertine States of America » Mon May 16, 2016 7:56 pm

I love the false dichotomy the OP presents in which it is either the disabled students or the gays. Why can't people just support both groups instead of allowing biased OPs to fool them into pitting different groups of people against each other?
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