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Which is more important:

A. Getting education dollars to disadvantaged and disabled children.
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B. Getting rid of sexually segregated bathrooms in public schools.
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C. Not sure.
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Total votes : 171

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Postby Vassenor » Mon May 16, 2016 8:48 am

Ifreann wrote:
Val Halla wrote:Apparently it's a thing used by the modern alt right or something.

Oh. Not trying to make people look silly, then.


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Postby Crockerland » Mon May 16, 2016 8:50 am

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Crockerland wrote:SJW Trigglypuffs...SJW Trigglypuffs...SJW Trigglypuffs...

Seriously, are you trying to mock right wing conservative memes, or is this actually something right wing conservatives say?

Val Halla wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Seriously, are you trying to mock right wing conservative memes, or is this actually something right wing conservatives say?

Apparently it's a thing used by the modern alt right or something.

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SJW Trigglypuffs wrote:So, what happens in 20 years? If states aren't complying to laws protecting beastiality, they can all go straight to hell?

I mean, think about it this way. Let's suppose I'm an eccentric billionaire, and I'll pay you $100 per day to wear a fruit basket on your head. You do so for many years, and I pay you $100 every day.

One day, you decide you're no longer going to wear a fruit basket on your head. You don't want to anymore. Fruit baskets are evil.

I stop paying your $100 per day.

What's your source of complaint?
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Postby Cymrea » Mon May 16, 2016 8:54 am

  • Federal government makes law, state government refuses to abide by law, knowing federal government will sanction lawbreaking states by withholding funds.
  • State breaks law, federal government withholds funding.
  • State supporter(s) blame the feds for following through, but not the states for lawbreaking.
  • Deliberately claim discrimination against disabled students (ignoring the fact that this affects all students in the state, but that's not nearly as controversial or froth-inducing), ignores the discrimination against transgendered students.


This whole bloody thread is premised on a straw man fallacy. :roll:
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Postby Ifreann » Mon May 16, 2016 8:58 am

Crockerland wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Seriously, are you trying to mock right wing conservative memes, or is this actually something right wing conservatives say?

Val Halla wrote:Apparently it's a thing used by the modern alt right or something.

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Galloism wrote:I mean, think about it this way. Let's suppose I'm an eccentric billionaire, and I'll pay you $100 per day to wear a fruit basket on your head. You do so for many years, and I pay you $100 every day.

One day, you decide you're no longer going to wear a fruit basket on your head. You don't want to anymore. Fruit baskets are evil.

I stop paying your $100 per day.

What's your source of complaint?

Oh yeah, that poster. I'd stopped reading that post after Galloism kept quoting it at people making the same arguments.

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Postby Thiefs County » Mon May 16, 2016 9:12 am

Ifreann wrote:
Crockerland wrote:SJW Trigglypuffs...SJW Trigglypuffs...SJW Trigglypuffs...

Seriously, are you trying to mock right wing conservative memes, or is this actually something right wing conservatives say?

It's basically what people from /pol/ say


All cause of that one funny video lmao
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Postby Thiefs County » Mon May 16, 2016 9:13 am

it is a pretty funny joke...
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Postby Esternial » Mon May 16, 2016 9:14 am

Ifreann wrote:
Esternial wrote:Aye, and adding an extra lemon or pear to that basket still makes it a fruit basket.

But what if you added a tomato?!



Maybe I'm getting caught up in the analogy.

We don't talk about tomatoes.

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Postby MightyQuinn » Mon May 16, 2016 9:35 am

Wallenburg wrote:
Thiefs County wrote:sorry guys, I dont really know much about the laws and shit.

My bad

But yeah all I'm trying to say is that pulling the funding for a bunch of disabled people is pretty fucked

Which is why the NC legislators have pissed me off even more. They are willing to hurt vulnerable children just for the sake of being assholes to transgender people.

Then again, the Feds could stop being assholes and back off of cutting the funds

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Postby Vassenor » Mon May 16, 2016 9:36 am

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Wallenburg wrote:Which is why the NC legislators have pissed me off even more. They are willing to hurt vulnerable children just for the sake of being assholes to transgender people.

Then again, the Feds could stop being assholes and back off of cutting the funds


Because enforcing federal law makes someone an asshole.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon May 16, 2016 9:38 am

Vassenor wrote:
MightyQuinn wrote:Then again, the Feds could stop being assholes and back off of cutting the funds


Because enforcing federal law makes someone an asshole.


Sometimes it does yes, lots of federal laws are stupid.
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Postby MightyQuinn » Mon May 16, 2016 9:41 am

Vassenor wrote:
MightyQuinn wrote:Then again, the Feds could stop being assholes and back off of cutting the funds


Because enforcing federal law makes someone an asshole.

Tell ya what, maybe I'll go along with you having this law enforced when I see you write about how immigration laws ought to be enforced.

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Postby Ifreann » Mon May 16, 2016 9:44 am

MightyQuinn wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:Which is why the NC legislators have pissed me off even more. They are willing to hurt vulnerable children just for the sake of being assholes to transgender people.

Then again, the Feds could stop being assholes and back off of cutting the funds

Funny. People get outraged because they think the Obama Administration isn't enforcing immigration law. Then people get outraged because the Obama Administration is enforcing civil rights law.

You swear some people just hate anyone who isn't like them and wants the government to act on that.

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Postby Zoice » Mon May 16, 2016 9:51 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Because enforcing federal law makes someone an asshole.


Sometimes it does yes, lots of federal laws are stupid.

Not when it is pressuring assholes into not discriminating.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon May 16, 2016 9:52 am

MightyQuinn wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Because enforcing federal law makes someone an asshole.

Tell ya what, maybe I'll go along with you having this law enforced when I see you write about how immigration laws ought to be enforced.


Whataboutism.

Way to deflect.
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Postby MightyQuinn » Mon May 16, 2016 9:57 am

Ifreann wrote:
MightyQuinn wrote:Then again, the Feds could stop being assholes and back off of cutting the funds

Funny. People get outraged because they think the Obama Administration isn't enforcing immigration law. Then people get outraged because the Obama Administration is enforcing civil rights law.

You swear some people just hate anyone who isn't like them and wants the government to act on that.

Why does the Obama Administration tolerate so called, "Sanctuary Cities"?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3149706/Family-Californian-woman-shot-dead-random-illegal-Mexican-immigrant-deported-FIVE-TIMES-condemn-officials-let-stay.html
Is that what you call enforcing immigration? If any funding should be pulled from anywhere, this is an easy target.

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Postby Khadgar » Mon May 16, 2016 9:57 am

Vassenor wrote:
MightyQuinn wrote:Tell ya what, maybe I'll go along with you having this law enforced when I see you write about how immigration laws ought to be enforced.


Whataboutism.

Way to deflect.


High standards of debate. Silver medal quality at least.

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Postby Aphryss » Mon May 16, 2016 9:59 am

Vassenor wrote:
MightyQuinn wrote:Tell ya what, maybe I'll go along with you having this law enforced when I see you write about how immigration laws ought to be enforced.


Whataboutism.

Way to deflect.

This whole thread is premised on "whataboutism". "You'll stop people discriminating against trans students? But what about the disabled students?!?"

Let's not pretend these people would ordinarily care at all about the wellbeing of disabled students. They're just a fig leaf to hide transphobic bigotry.
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Postby Gauthier » Mon May 16, 2016 10:02 am

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Vassenor wrote:
Whataboutism.

Way to deflect.

This whole thread is premised on "whataboutism". "You'll stop people discriminating against trans students? But what about the disabled students?!?"

Let's not pretend these people would ordinarily care at all about the wellbeing of disabled students. They're just a fig leaf to hide transphobic bigotry.


And they're offended if the fig leaf is bulging at the wrong restroom.
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Postby Wallenburg » Mon May 16, 2016 10:04 am

MightyQuinn wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:Which is why the NC legislators have pissed me off even more. They are willing to hurt vulnerable children just for the sake of being assholes to transgender people.

Then again, the Feds could stop being assholes and back off of cutting the funds

So you want Obama to stop enforcing federal law?

Yet Republicans complain that Obama won't enforce immigration law. You can't have it both ways.
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Postby MightyQuinn » Mon May 16, 2016 10:06 am

Khadgar wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Whataboutism.

Way to deflect.


High standards of debate. Silver medal quality at least.

Well, his argument shifted to it's just the enforcement of law and I thought I'd show that there were inconsistencies in the President's choice of law enforcement.

Now, if you want to talk about how where most of the blame lies regarding how this current state of affairs regarding Title IX came about it's because someone managed to convince some judge that a person's mental perception of their gender was equal to the physicality of their sexual anatomy.

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Postby Gauthier » Mon May 16, 2016 10:07 am

Wallenburg wrote:
MightyQuinn wrote:Then again, the Feds could stop being assholes and back off of cutting the funds

So you want Obama to stop enforcing federal law?

Yet Republicans complain that Obama won't enforce immigration law. You can't have it both ways.


Enforcing laws is only bad when it means recognizing Others (Foreigners, Trans) as Human.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon May 16, 2016 10:07 am

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Khadgar wrote:
High standards of debate. Silver medal quality at least.

Well, his argument shifted to it's just the enforcement of law and I thought I'd show that there were inconsistencies in the President's choice of law enforcement.

Now, if you want to talk about how where most of the blame lies regarding how this current state of affairs regarding Title IX came about it's because someone managed to convince some judge that a person's mental perception of their gender was equal to the physicality of their sexual anatomy.


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Postby MightyQuinn » Mon May 16, 2016 10:09 am

Wallenburg wrote:
MightyQuinn wrote:Then again, the Feds could stop being assholes and back off of cutting the funds

So you want Obama to stop enforcing federal law?

Yet Republicans complain that Obama won't enforce immigration law. You can't have it both ways.

Let's be clear. The President would get a lot less grief if he didn't cherry pick the laws that he wanted or didn't want to enforce.

So, for the President to be consistent in cutting funding from the people that are not complying with Federal law, he needs to stop sending money to sanctuary cities.

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Postby Gauthier » Mon May 16, 2016 10:12 am

MightyQuinn wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:So you want Obama to stop enforcing federal law?

Yet Republicans complain that Obama won't enforce immigration law. You can't have it both ways.

Let's be clear. The President would get a lot less grief if he didn't cherry pick the laws that he wanted or didn't want to enforce.

So, for the President to be consistent in cutting funding from the people that are not complying with Federal law, he needs to stop sending money to sanctuary cities.


Let's pretend Obama didn't set the record for numbers of deportations.
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Postby Linux and the X » Mon May 16, 2016 10:12 am

MightyQuinn wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:So you want Obama to stop enforcing federal law?

Yet Republicans complain that Obama won't enforce immigration law. You can't have it both ways.

Let's be clear. The President would get a lot less grief if he didn't cherry pick the laws that he wanted or didn't want to enforce.

So, for the President to be consistent in cutting funding from the people that are not complying with Federal law, he needs to stop sending money to sanctuary cities.

Under what statutory authority?
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