Stopping Edu. Funds for Disabled Students over Bathroom Laws

[Ashmoria]

So let me get this straight.

A state government knowingly violates the terms it HAS to meet in order to receive federal education funding. The federal government then says "meet the requirements or the funding will be cut", state cries foul and the OP scream gubmint tyranny!


Is that the gist of this now 25 page thread? Because this should have been resolved before page two.

some people feel that it is changing the rules and some feel that since the state is heartless it falls on the feds to choose the lesser damage of being mean to transgender kids.

[Val Halla]

In what way is he a tyrant?

He's a democrat president. They're all tyrannical trampling all over those poor states and their rights.

And obviously it's okay when states do this to districts because they're enforcing bullshit bigotry freedom of religion

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

Did anyone miss the part where Obama is enforcing the fucking law? Yes people, Title IX is on the books. He's doing his job as an executive.

[Val Halla]

Did anyone miss the part where Obama is enforcing the fucking law? Yes people, Title IX is on the books. He's doing his job as an executive.

The law doesn't count because it's Obama and it means that Republicans can't oppress whoever they want.

[Wallenburg]

The women supporting the NC law certainly do.

Argumentum ad populum.

In politics, argumentum ad populum is a viable tool.
Ghostbusters: "You will have saved the lives of millions of registered voters."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M39l7rj80bM

No it isn't. It is a logical fallacy, and your assertion that it is not in this case is special pleading.

[Trumpostan]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/some-embrace-obama-administration%e2%80%99s-transgender-directive-others-vow-to-fight/ar-BBt1gSS?ocid=spartandhp

So, President Obama is willing to throw disadvantaged and disabled kids under “under the bus”, by cutting off Federal education dollars, for the sake of anti-sexual-segregation of school restrooms.

Personally, I find the notion of holding disadvantaged and disabled kids hostage to a social experiment downright despicable. I’m sure that there are probably enthusiastic supporters on the other side of the issue, however I also find it cowardly.

You surely have noticed that the Commander-In-Chief didn’t send this new proclamation to the U.S. Armed Forces, didn’t you? He doesn’t have the clout to make such a change to the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice) in the time that he remains President and likely couldn’t get it through Congress. Once again, he’s acting like an Emperor and not a President.

But that’s just my two cents.

You mean as when emperor W fired a bunch of federal prosecutors because they didn't do as W demanded?

In this case, I am all for freezing all these bigoted states out of all federal money until they cave.

[Crockerland]

"The people have always some champion whom they set over them and nurse into greatness.

Yes, that is their way.
This and no other is the root from which a tyrant springs; when he first appears above ground he is a protector." ~Plato, The Republic, book VIII

The tyrant Obama is still trying to wrestle control of the country from democracy, as we see here again, even after the Supreme Court unanimously voted against him over a dozen times. The worst part of the story is knowing he and his regime still have several months to further batter the country before the next election, unless he pulls a Mugabe and declares himself president for life.

In what way is he a tyrant?

Well just for example, his attempts to oppress freedom of expression by pro-life protesters, tried to allow a persons' car to be anticonstitutionally implanted with a GPS tracking device without a warrant or any reason to suspect terrorist activity, and though those were thankfully stricken down by the supreme court, you obviously haven't been keeping up with Obama if you need me to explain why he's a tyrant.

The Autocrat Obama has worked tirelessly to undermine the democratically elected voice of the people (Congress) and fight against them.

You don't seriously think that's true right?

The Obama regime's takeover and the transfer from Democracy to Tyranny described in Plato's "The Republic" are practically the same story, there is basically no difference between them. I believe that if that's what you're asking.

Besides, he can't do shit through the legislature because they're busy trying to find their balls.

The supreme court has already ruled many of these despot-style law proclamations from Obama to be null and void. If he actually cooperated with the legislature rather than throwing a tantrum and trying to illegally pass laws every time Congress voted against what he wants then maybe they would work with him more.

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

In what way is he a tyrant?

Well just for example, his attempts to oppress freedom of expression by pro-life protesters, tried to allow a persons' car to be anticonstitutionally implanted with a GPS tracking device without a warrant or any reason to suspect terrorist activity, and though those were thankfully stricken down by the supreme court, you obviously haven't been keeping up with Obama if you need me to explain why he's a tyrant.

The Autocrat Obama has worked tirelessly to undermine the democratically elected voice of the people (Congress) and fight against them.

You don't seriously think that's true right?

The Obama regime's takeover and the transfer from Democracy to Tyranny described in Plato's "The Republic" are practically the same story, there is basically no difference between them. I believe that if that's what you're asking.

Besides, he can't do shit through the legislature because they're busy trying to find their balls.

The supreme court has already ruled many of these despot-style law proclamations from Obama to be null and void. If he actually cooperated with the legislature rather than throwing a tantrum and trying to illegally pass laws every time Congress voted against what he wants then maybe they would work with him more.

But Obama was democratically elected. The 2012 election wasn't even close. So, clearly he has a mandate to oppose Congress. There are checks and balances you know.

[Noraika]

Well just for example, his attempts to oppress freedom of expression by pro-life protesters, tried to allow a persons' car to be anticonstitutionally implanted with a GPS tracking device without a warrant or any reason to suspect terrorist activity, and though those were thankfully stricken down by the supreme court, you obviously haven't been keeping up with Obama if you need me to explain why he's a tyrant.

The Autocrat Obama has worked tirelessly to undermine the democratically elected voice of the people (Congress) and fight against them.

The Obama regime's takeover and the transfer from Democracy to Tyranny described in Plato's "The Republic" are practically the same story, there is basically no difference between them. I believe that if that's what you're asking.

The supreme court has already ruled many of these despot-style law proclamations from Obama to be null and void. If he actually cooperated with the legislature rather than throwing a tantrum and trying to illegally pass laws every time Congress voted against what he wants then maybe they would work with him more.

But Obama was democratically elected. The 2012 election wasn't even close. So, clearly he has a mandate to oppose Congress. There are checks and balances you know.

It doesn't matter if Obama is, in this case, simply enforcing the pre-existing position of multiple laws, because 'muh state's rights'.

We all know Obama is a tyrannical servant of the islamic, alien, reptilian alliance destined to destroy freedom. *nods*

[Wallenburg]

"The people have always some champion whom they set over them and nurse into greatness.

Yes, that is their way.
This and no other is the root from which a tyrant springs; when he first appears above ground he is a protector." ~Plato, The Republic, book VIII

The tyrant Obama is still trying to wrestle control of the country from democracy, as we see here again,

Exactly what about enforcing the law and upholding the Constitution is undemocratic?

even after the Supreme Court unanimously voted against him over a dozen times,

Bullshit, my friend.

he still thinks he can just declare laws on a whim without the approval of anyone.

If you had paid attention in a government class, or ever read the Constitution, you would know that presidents cannot create law.

The worst part of the story is knowing he and his regime still have several months to further batter the country before the next election,

You mean fulfill his responsibilities? How is it battering anyone to enforce the law?

unless he pulls a Mugabe and declares himself president for life.

And then pigs shall sprout wings and soar into the air! And the Devil's domain shall shiver under a harsh, long winter!

[Crockerland]

Well just for example, his attempts to oppress freedom of expression by pro-life protesters, tried to allow a persons' car to be anticonstitutionally implanted with a GPS tracking device without a warrant or any reason to suspect terrorist activity, and though those were thankfully stricken down by the supreme court, you obviously haven't been keeping up with Obama if you need me to explain why he's a tyrant.

The Autocrat Obama has worked tirelessly to undermine the democratically elected voice of the people (Congress) and fight against them.

The Obama regime's takeover and the transfer from Democracy to Tyranny described in Plato's "The Republic" are practically the same story, there is basically no difference between them. I believe that if that's what you're asking.

The supreme court has already ruled many of these despot-style law proclamations from Obama to be null and void. If he actually cooperated with the legislature rather than throwing a tantrum and trying to illegally pass laws every time Congress voted against what he wants then maybe they would work with him more.

But Obama was democratically elected. The 2012 election wasn't even close. So, clearly he has a mandate to oppose Congress. There are checks and balances you know.

I again refer you to Plato's "The Republic", book VII.

[Vassenor]

But Obama was democratically elected. The 2012 election wasn't even close. So, clearly he has a mandate to oppose Congress. There are checks and balances you know.

I again refer you to Plato's "The Republic", book VII.

Book VII

Socrates elaborates upon the immediately preceding Analogies of the Sun and of the Divided Line in the Allegory of the Cave, in which he insists that the psyche must be freed from bondage to the visible/sensible world by making the painful journey into the intelligible world. He continues in the rest of this book by further elaborating upon the curriculum which a would-be philosopher-king must study.

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

But Obama was democratically elected. The 2012 election wasn't even close. So, clearly he has a mandate to oppose Congress. There are checks and balances you know.

I again refer you to Plato's "The Republic", book VII.

Again, I reffer you to the massive margin of victory Obama won over Romney. That is what we in politics call a "mandate."

[MightyQuinn]

So let me get this straight.

A state government knowingly violates the terms it HAS to meet in order to receive federal education funding. The federal government then says "meet the requirements or the funding will be cut", state cries foul and the OP scream gubmint tyranny!

I will put you straight.

Wikipedia
"No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity receiving federal financial assistance."


Applicability to transgender students

In 2014, guidelines were issued by the U.S. Department of Education stating that transgender students are protected from sex-based discrimination under Title IX, and instructing public schools to treat transgender students consistent with their gender identity in single-sex classes, so that a student who identifies as a transgender boy is allowed entry to a boys-only class, and a student who identifies as a transgender girl is allowed entry to a girls-only class.[40] The memo states in part that "[a]ll students, including transgender students and students who do not conform to sex stereotypes, are protected from sex-based discrimination under Title IX. Under Title IX, a recipient generally must treat transgender students consistent with their gender identity in all aspects of the planning, implementation, enrollment, operation, and evaluation of single-sex classes."

So, what was basically put into place as a redress for educational and employment/advancement opportunities based on physical gender has been modified to include one's mental perception of their sexual identity.

[Crockerland]

I again refer you to Plato's "The Republic", book VII.

Book VII

Socrates elaborates upon the immediately preceding Analogies of the Sun and of the Divided Line in the Allegory of the Cave, in which he insists that the psyche must be freed from bondage to the visible/sensible world by making the painful journey into the intelligible world. He continues in the rest of this book by further elaborating upon the curriculum which a would-be philosopher-king must study.

Sorry, typo, I meant Book VIII
http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/republic.9.viii.html

[Noraika]

I again refer you to Plato's "The Republic", book VII.

Again, I reffer you to the massive margin of victory Obama won over Romney. That is what we in politics call a "mandate."

Except if you're Congress. Then the opposite party, by popular vote, can totally maintain a majority in the house without the backing of the people (looking at you Republicans).

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

Again, I reffer you to the massive margin of victory Obama won over Romney. That is what we in politics call a "mandate."

Except if you're Congress. Then the opposite party, by popular vote, can totally maintain a majority in the house without the backing of the people (looking at you Republicans).

Did somebody say Gerrymander?

[MightyQuinn]

I again refer you to Plato's "The Republic", book VII.

Again, I reffer you to the massive margin of victory Obama won over Romney. That is what we in politics call a "mandate."

Here's a snippet from the Huffington Post, regarding the popular vote of 2012:

As of Noon on Friday, with nearly all votes in, Obama assuredly will win the popular vote, leading Romney by a count of 61,173,739 or 50.5% to 58,167,260 or 48.0%. At this point, a few final votes are being counted and then all that’s left is for the results to be officially certified.)

I hope that since you're calling this a massive margin that you're getting your numbers from the Electoral College vote and aren't one of these people that are constantly calling for it's abolishment.

[Crockerland]

I again refer you to Plato's "The Republic", book VII.

Again, I reffer you to the massive margin of victory Obama won over Romney. That is what we in politics call a "mandate."

Well I suppose if you conveniently cherrypick the presidential election and fail to consider the congressional election in which the American people supported the Republican party by nearly 5 million more votes, then yes it could be called a mandate.

[Galloism]

So let me get this straight.

A state government knowingly violates the terms it HAS to meet in order to receive federal education funding. The federal government then says "meet the requirements or the funding will be cut", state cries foul and the OP scream gubmint tyranny!

I will put you straight.

Wikipedia
"No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity receiving federal financial assistance."


Applicability to transgender students

In 2014, guidelines were issued by the U.S. Department of Education stating that transgender students are protected from sex-based discrimination under Title IX, and instructing public schools to treat transgender students consistent with their gender identity in single-sex classes, so that a student who identifies as a transgender boy is allowed entry to a boys-only class, and a student who identifies as a transgender girl is allowed entry to a girls-only class.[40] The memo states in part that "[a]ll students, including transgender students and students who do not conform to sex stereotypes, are protected from sex-based discrimination under Title IX. Under Title IX, a recipient generally must treat transgender students consistent with their gender identity in all aspects of the planning, implementation, enrollment, operation, and evaluation of single-sex classes."

So, what was basically put into place as a redress for educational and employment/advancement opportunities based on physical gender has been modified to include one's mental perception of their sexual identity.

It's a reasonable interpretation.

Chevron v. USA:

"The fact that the EPA has from time to time changed its interpretation of the term "source" does not lead to the conclusion that no deference should be accorded the EPA's interpretation of the statute. An agency, to engage in informed rulemaking, must consider varying interpretations and the wisdom of its policy on a continuing basis."

As long as the interpretation of a federal agency is reasonable based on the statute, the courts accord it great deference.

[Vassenor]

Again, I reffer you to the massive margin of victory Obama won over Romney. That is what we in politics call a "mandate."

Well I suppose if you conveniently cherrypick the presidential election and fail to consider the congressional election in which the American people supported the Republican party by nearly 5 million more votes, then yes it could be called a mandate.

Ignoring where it was pointed out that Congress is gerrymandered to hell and back. You want to talk about cherrypicking?

[Ifreann]

"The people have always some champion whom they set over them and nurse into greatness.

Yes, that is their way.
This and no other is the root from which a tyrant springs; when he first appears above ground he is a protector." ~Plato, The Republic, book VIII

The tyrant Obama is still trying to wrestle control of the country from democracy, as we see here again, even after the Supreme Court unanimously voted against him over a dozen times. The worst part of the story is knowing he and his regime still have several months to further batter the country before the next election, unless he pulls a Mugabe and declares himself president for life.

In what way is he a tyrant?

Well he doesn't just do whatever the Republicans tell him to do, like Bush did. Pure tyranny.

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anticonstitutionally implanted

I lol'd.

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

Again, I reffer you to the massive margin of victory Obama won over Romney. That is what we in politics call a "mandate."

Well I suppose if you conveniently cherrypick the presidential election and fail to consider the congressional election in which the American people supported the Republican party by nearly 5 million more votes, then yes it could be called a mandate.

*Ahem* Have you ever heard of the word "Gerrymander?"

Again, I reffer you to the massive margin of victory Obama won over Romney. That is what we in politics call a "mandate."

Here's a snippet from the Huffington Post, regarding the popular vote of 2012:

As of Noon on Friday, with nearly all votes in, Obama assuredly will win the popular vote, leading Romney by a count of 61,173,739 or 50.5% to 58,167,260 or 48.0%. At this point, a few final votes are being counted and then all that’s left is for the results to be officially certified.)

I hope that since you're calling this a massive margin that you're getting your numbers from the Electoral College vote and aren't one of these people that are constantly calling for it's abolishment.

Obama won the popular vote by 4 points, which is not a massive landslide but certainly a mandate.

[Galloism]

anticonstitutionally implanted

I lol'd.

Sounds like a sci-fi/horror thing.

[Wallenburg]

I lol'd.

Sounds like a sci-fi/horror thing.

You maniacs!