Stopping Edu. Funds for Disabled Students over Bathroom Laws

[Noraika]

The funding came with conditions that the government and educational facilities of North Carolina would comply with the federal and regulations, including the Civil Rights Act of 1964. This was made plainly clear when North Carolina signed the agreement for the federal funds therein. By law, the funding is now required to be rescinded because North Carolina has ceased to comply, and acted directly in contradiction to, federal law and regulations. There is little choice in the matter. The terms of the contract were violated by North Carolina, and the cessation of their compliance ends the terms of agreement for the funding.

[Gauthier]

Wait, do Obama seriously want to fuck over the education of people who're in the most dire need of one just for the sack of pandering progressives?
And there are 19 guys and gals (at least) who're backing him up?
Wow. I didn't thought one could loose his faith in humanity on the internet in any other site than tumblr or 4chan but I guess that I was rather naïf to think so...

Shouldn't you be asking if state governments seriously want to fuck over the education of who are in the most dire need of it just for the sake of pandering to conservatives?

They won't mind because low education turns out more future red voters.

[Aelex]

Shouldn't you be asking if state governments seriously want to fuck over the education of who are in the most dire need of it just for the sake of pandering to conservatives?

Ho, I'm not viewing them as any better than their liberals counter-parts but they, for once, didn't initiated the shit-storm.

Cuz there's totes no risk involved with a transwoman going into the male bathroom is there?

Excuse my lack of knowledge but by transwoman you mean someone who used to be a woman or one who is one now?
In the first case, given that she/he/whatever pronoun look like a man there should be no problem with her/him/whatever pronoun going in the man's bathroom.
In the second, why should she/he/whatever pronoun would want to go in the man's bathroom anymore now that she/he/whatever look like a woman?
I mean, I'm no denying the fact that there might be problems. Just saying that destroying walls in every and each bathroom of the U.S despite the majority prefering it the way it is right now is neither a logical nor smart response to said problems.

the system that already existed allowed transgendered people to pick the bathroom the felt most comfortable in. the ones fucking up the system are anti-trans bigots ginning up fear in order to get political power.

And said system worked (almost) perfectly. But that was until liberals wanted to destroy normal bathroom to replace them by shared ones despite no one but a minority asking for it, unleashing a shit-storm in the process.

[The Black Forrest]

Wait, do Obama seriously want to fuck over the education of people who're in the most dire need of one just for the sack of pandering progressives?
And there are 19 guys and gals (at least) who're backing him up?
Wow. I didn't thought one could loose his faith in humanity on the internet in any other site than tumblr or 4chan but I guess that I was rather naïf to think so...

It's simple really. If they didn't pass a needless law meant to punish people whom people with weak faith don't like; the children wouldn't be "suffering"

[USS Monitor]

Obama, a scholar of Constitutional law, realized that he can do nothing which requires the approval of Congress. They won't even give an up or down vote for a SCOTUS candidate they already approved for the appellate system.

So he does what he can do within the limits of the Executive power alone.

If you want something better, change Congress.

I agree, we should kick the Dems out entirely and replace them with libertarians

And kick out the Republicans and replace them with Greens.

[Ashmoria]

the system that already existed allowed transgendered people to pick the bathroom the felt most comfortable in. the ones fucking up the system are anti-trans bigots ginning up fear in order to get political power.

And said system worked (almost) perfectly. But that was until liberals wanted to destroy normal bathroom to replace them by shared ones despite no one but a minority asking for it, unleashing a shit-storm in the process.

no. people just used the bathroom that they felt most comfortable with and no one cared or noticed that they had unexpected things in their pants. liberals didn't do anything.

[Gauthier]

Shouldn't you be asking if state governments seriously want to fuck over the education of who are in the most dire need of it just for the sake of pandering to conservatives?

Ho, I'm not viewing them as any better than their liberals counter-parts but they, for once, didn't initiated the shit-storm.

Cuz there's totes no risk involved with a transwoman going into the male bathroom is there?

Excuse my lack of knowledge but by transwoman you mean someone who used to be a woman or one who is one now?
In the first case, given that she/he/whatever pronoun look like a man there should be no problem with her/him/whatever pronoun going in the man's bathroom.
In the second, why should she/he/whatever pronoun would want to go in the man's bathroom anymore now that she/he/whatever look like a woman?
I mean, I'm no denying the fact that there might be problems. Just saying that destroying walls in every and each bathroom of the U.S despite the majority prefering it the way it is right now is neither a logical nor smart response to said problems.

the system that already existed allowed transgendered people to pick the bathroom the felt most comfortable in. the ones fucking up the system are anti-trans bigots ginning up fear in order to get political power.

And said system worked (almost) perfectly. But that was until liberals wanted to destroy normal bathroom to replace them by shared ones despite no one but a minority asking for it, unleashing a shit-storm in the process.

Um no, the shitstorm started when the North Carolina Legislature was butthurt that the city of Charlotte had the audacity to let Those Damn Shemales pick which restroom they wanted to use so they came up with HB 2 to nip that in the bud in case any other NC city wanted to do the same.

[USS Monitor]

Wait, do Obama seriously want to fuck over the education of people who're in the most dire need of one just for the sack of pandering progressives?
And there are 19 guys and gals (at least) who're backing him up?
Wow. I didn't thought one could loose his faith in humanity on the internet in any other site than tumblr or 4chan but I guess that I was rather naïf to think so...

Obama doesn't want to fuck over the disabled. He wants the states to comply with federal antidiscrimination laws.

[The Black Forrest]

And said system worked (almost) perfectly. But that was until liberals wanted to destroy normal bathroom to replace them by shared ones despite no one but a minority asking for it, unleashing a shit-storm in the process.

Sorry. The librawls didn't start this one.

[Ethel mermania]

Wait, do Obama seriously want to fuck over the education of people who're in the most dire need of one just for the sack of pandering progressives?
And there are 19 guys and gals (at least) who're backing him up?
Wow. I didn't thought one could loose his faith in humanity on the internet in any other site than tumblr or 4chan but I guess that I was rather naïf to think so...

So Obama should reward a state for passively encouraging a pogrom on transgender people?

Cutting off funds is beyond his role, the courts decide punishments for non compliance with the law, not the executive.

[Ifreann]

Shouldn't you be asking if state governments seriously want to fuck over the education of who are in the most dire need of it just for the sake of pandering to conservatives?

Ho, I'm not viewing them as any better than their liberals counter-parts but they, for once, didn't initiated the shit-storm.

They very much did.

[Aelex]

Um no, the shitstorm started when the North Carolina Legislature was butthurt that the city of Charlotte had the audacity to let Those Damn Shemales pick which restroom they wanted to use so they came up with HB 2 to nip that in the bud in case any other NC city wanted to do the same.

Hm. Seems like I was mis-informed on this one. I thought the whole thing started after Obama tried to impose shared bathroom in schools. Isn't it precisely what the article the O.P linked is about? I have to admit I merely glossed over it but it's what I understood of it, at least.

[Ashmoria]

So Obama should reward a state for passively encouraging a pogrom on transgender people?

Cutting off funds is beyond his role, the courts decide punishments for non compliance with the law, not the executive.

all he did was send out a clarifying letter informing schools about the administration's interpretation of the regulations under title IX. that way schools know where they stand. the enforcement will come from the justice department just like they are doing with north Carolina.

[USS Monitor]

Um no, the shitstorm started when the North Carolina Legislature was butthurt that the city of Charlotte had the audacity to let Those Damn Shemales pick which restroom they wanted to use so they came up with HB 2 to nip that in the bud in case any other NC city wanted to do the same.

Hm. Seems like I was mis-informed on this one. I thought the whole thing started after Obama tried to impose shared bathroom in schools. Isn't it precisely what the article the O.P linked is about? I have to admit I merely glossed over it but it's what I understood of it, at least.

Obama was responding to the state coming out with the anti-trans bathroom law.

[Ifreann]

Um no, the shitstorm started when the North Carolina Legislature was butthurt that the city of Charlotte had the audacity to let Those Damn Shemales pick which restroom they wanted to use so they came up with HB 2 to nip that in the bud in case any other NC city wanted to do the same.

Hm. Seems like I was mis-informed on this one. I thought the whole thing started after Obama tried to impose shared bathroom in schools. Isn't it precisely what the article the O.P linked is about? I have to admit I merely glossed over it but it's what I understood of it, at least.

When efforts are made to end discrimination, it isn't the people making those efforts starting any resulting shitshow, it's the people discriminating in the first place.

[Aelex]

When efforts are made to end discrimination, it isn't the people making those efforts starting any resulting shitshow, it's the people discriminating in the first place.

If you're talking about forbidding trans from entering bathroom of the sex they're looking like, I can do nothing but to agree as it's just a dick move creating more problem for no reasons.
If you're talking about making all bathroom sex neutral, then sorry but this thing you're talking about isn't "discrimination" but mere common sense.

[Galloism]

When efforts are made to end discrimination, it isn't the people making those efforts starting any resulting shitshow, it's the people discriminating in the first place.

If you're talking about forbidding trans from entering bathroom of the sex they're looking like, I can do nothing but to agree as it's just a dick move creating more problem for no reasons.
If you're talking about making all bathroom sex neutral, then sorry but this thing you're talking about isn't "discrimination" but mere common sense.

Common sense that's only a little over a hundred and fifty years old, you mean?

Bathrooms were desegregated throughout the vast majority of mankind's history.

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

So Obama should reward a state for passively encouraging a pogrom on transgender people?

Cutting off funds is beyond his role, the courts decide punishments for non compliance with the law, not the executive.

Title IX states that no education program or activity that is funded by the Federal Government can discriminate on the basis of sex. Since enforcing the law falls upon the Executive Branch, it is not only his power to do so but also his duty.

[Aelex]

Common sense that's only a little over a hundred and fifty years old, you mean?

Bathrooms were desegregated throughout the vast majority of mankind's history.

Not sure ancient Rome nor Middle Age Europe are time period you should quote as being exemple of "gender equality", man.

[Farnhamia]

If you're talking about forbidding trans from entering bathroom of the sex they're looking like, I can do nothing but to agree as it's just a dick move creating more problem for no reasons.
If you're talking about making all bathroom sex neutral, then sorry but this thing you're talking about isn't "discrimination" but mere common sense.

Common sense that's only a little over a hundred and fifty years old, you mean?

Bathrooms were desegregated throughout the vast majority of mankind's history.

Indeed and in fact, indoor plumbing is a fairly modern innovation. If shared facilities were good enough for our ancestors, they're good enough for us!

[Galloism]

Common sense that's only a little over a hundred and fifty years old, you mean?

Bathrooms were desegregated throughout the vast majority of mankind's history.

Not sure ancient Rome nor Middle Age Europe are time period you should quote as being exemple of "gender equality", man.

Not at all, but the mere point is that there's no proof that segregated facilities are in any way beneficial or necessary.

Common sense that's only a little over a hundred and fifty years old, you mean?

Bathrooms were desegregated throughout the vast majority of mankind's history.

Indeed and in fact, indoor plumbing is a fairly modern innovation. If shared facilities were good enough for our ancestors, they're good enough for us!

I really see nothing wrong with gender neutral bathrooms. I guarantee that peeing and pooping are pretty mundane activities, all the way around.

[Aelex]

Indeed and in fact, indoor plumbing is a fairly modern innovation. If shared facilities were good enough for our ancestors, they're good enough for us!

Well, I guess that following this logic, so is slavery, marital-rape, inbreeding or this very funny custom of beheading the last young man to arrive on the common place the day of his military service.
Leaving the argument itself aside, I however have to say that I'm rather surprised as I would never had expected hearing one of the most staunch and jusqu'au-boutiste progressive on this site argue out of tradition.
Guess this thread was worth existing just for this fact alone.

[Aelex]

Not at all, but the mere point is that there's no proof that segregated facilities are in any way beneficial or necessary.

Meh. Anyway, shared bathroom aren't in any way more "beneficial or necessary" than regular ones. And the fact that society who thrived on slavery and viewed women as an object that should be kept at home and never displayed to the eyes of any other man than their husband or brother/father used them don't really sound much like an argument in their favor.

[Sanctissima]

Indeed and in fact, indoor plumbing is a fairly modern innovation. If shared facilities were good enough for our ancestors, they're good enough for us!

Well, I guess that following this logic, so is slavery, marital-rape, inbreeding or this very funny custom of beheading the last young man to arrive on the common place the day of his military service.
Leaving the argument itself aside, I however have say that I'm rather surprised as I would never had expected hearing one of the most staunch and jusqu'au-boutiste progressive on this site argue out of tradition.
Guess this thread was worth existing just for this fact alone.

To be frank, is there any actual point in keeping bathrooms sex-segregated?

I don't really see it as a big deal either way, but all things considered, I don't see the harm in simply saying to hell with it all and making all bathrooms unisex.

[Ifreann]

When efforts are made to end discrimination, it isn't the people making those efforts starting any resulting shitshow, it's the people discriminating in the first place.

If you're talking about forbidding trans from entering bathroom of the sex they're looking like, I can do nothing but to agree as it's just a dick move creating more problem for no reasons.

That would be what the Obama administration is instructing schools to do, more or less.