Stopping Edu. Funds for Disabled Students over Bathroom Laws

[Insaeldor]

Obviously this is a pretty sensitive issue. Personally I think were losing a lot of the nuance that comes with sexual identity in the new age with such rallying like "Stop the perverts, think about your kids and sisters!" or "Omg this is like a Jim crow thing that like cant even be allowed here". I'd argue both are right on some level. If our laws are too sweeping and general will have a situation where people can take advantage of this law for weird gain or put some people in uncomfortable situations. be on the other extreme we will have a situation where a person that looks, talks, and walks like a dude will be forced to use the women's restroom because its says she's a male on her birth certificate and vice versa for FtM trans people as well. we need to take a deeper look into how we can appropriately accommodate the needs of the masses without ignoring a massive segment of the general community. Personally I don't think the rape in public bathrooms argument withstands scrutiny because of how rare bathroom sexual assaults are but also how rare stranger on stranger sexual assault is. couple that with how public, public bathrooms can be and I think we've really only got a fear induced excuse against the argument. Again however I think appropriate compromise is in order. Maybe physicians who preform sexual transitions surgeries should be able to change the gender on the birth certificate more easily and make this more an issue on what sexual organs you have not what you sexually identify as. We can also just make it to where if you've taken adequate measures to be more like the gender you identify as than you can use the bathroom you most identify as. personally I feel the latter is the best and easier way of going about things especially given how hard a law like this is to enforce and that getting a reassignment surgery is just flat out expensive.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

It would be ideal if everyone could be 'protected'. However, we do not live in an ideal world. Whether you'd like to admit it or not, whenever someone gets more, someone else may well be losing something. The transgender folks - who ought to have been able to use whatever restroom was appropriate for them anyway - are now being used as a political tool by the media, our government, etc. The 'this is the way God Himself made things, and by God, this is how we're gonna keep it' crowd are now all riled up over what ought to have been nothing, and are feeling that their rights are being infringed on. Students are now at risk because none of our politicians can sort their shit out without dragging the lot of us along for the usually bumpy and unnecessary ride, and here we are - everyone mad at everyone else, for a bunch of 'shouldn't be that difficult' things and a whole lot of fabricated nonsense.

At least that's how I'm seeing it.

No, not every transgender person may look as feminine or as masculine as they may like. But the same can be said for /anyone/ who doesn't perfectly conform to some ridiculous 'accepted standard' of appearance. It shouldn't fecking matter. And we for damn sure don't need anyone policing our goram restrooms to see who has what - that violates EVERYONE'S privacy. No one wins. I don't care who has what, so long as they don't drop trou, and shake it at me. Don't see why it ought to be that hard for anyone else, go fig. And I'm one of the goram conservatives around here? Jaysus.

Worse? We have some of these extreme groups actually sending false positives in to create situations they can point at and say "SEE?!? SEE? We told you there were perverts there just to ogle the wimmins!" It's beyond disgusting. And the less intelligent and easily-lead believe this bunk. Which is why folks stirred up and created this whole mess to begin with - to keep us busy, to keep us distracted, and to sway our votes, efforts, and minds as citizens. They're playing games with people's lives yet again, and we're at one another's throats rather than sitting back, and placing the blame firmly where it belongs - in the laps of our so-called representatives, and the media.

Until we can unite as a people, stop focusing on all the little fiddling things about one another that annoy us on one level or another, learn to live together and deal with those differences, whether we like them or not, without forcing our beliefs, our preferences, our wants, and our standards down one another's throats, we won't be able to stand up and effectively demand better. And we /need/ to demand better. We deserve better. We can do better.

Hell. Maybe we could start here on this site, neh?

Or I could take off them rose-colored glasses for a moment, sit back with my soda, and grumble about it all like the old grouch I am whilst shooing kids off mah lawn. I dunno anymore.

[MightyQuinn]

I don't believe the states volunteered to have the funding cut. This is the threat from the Obama Administration.

What exactly did you think was going to happen when states knowingly violated federal education regulations? Do you believe that people should be entitled to receiving funding even if they break the rules that they were required to follow in exchange for that funding?

Do you feel that people who knowingly break our immigration laws should be granted citizenship?

[Bogdanov Vishniac]

the right to pee without getting beaten up

A right to privacy.

How does the law have anything to do with privacy?

[Devon Teyson]

Oh, please... For one, not all empires have monarchs with absolute power (for example, Japan). And even if Obama were anything like the absolute monarchs you are equating him to, he would have single-handedly attempted to replace the governors defying him, because absolute monarchs tend not to give a single cuss about "states' rights".

It is a shame that students and teachers will be deprived of federal funding, but the blame lies squarely in the state governments that knowingly went against federal education regulations, and all in the name of irrational fear and hatred.

The states weren't asking for this new Presidential-Dept. of Education decree. It's only just been announced. The shame should be directed at the gun being held to the heads of the states.

So, if the next Federal education regulation outlawed the teaching of the theory of evolution, or they'd cut off funding, then that would be okay with you, yes?

...Look, it's been an accepted part of the federal system that as it's a political machine the members of the federal government will cajole the federal entities into policy compliance during their time in power through all means deemed to be just barely legal and not damaging to their reelection chances.
I don't comprehend any effort to accept the legitimacy of all efforts by the federal government to cajole them, though.

[Ashmoria]

A right to privacy.

Harrassment is still illegal even with anti-discrimination protections for trans people. Neeeeeeeext.

the right to be treated like a normal human being instead of a freak?

[Devon Teyson]

What exactly did you think was going to happen when states knowingly violated federal education regulations? Do you believe that people should be entitled to receiving funding even if they break the rules that they were required to follow in exchange for that funding?

Do you feel that people who knowingly break our immigration laws should be granted citizenship?

Not necessarily.
Don't overstay your visa.

A right to privacy.

How does the law have anything to do with privacy?

there's nothing private about the states using unitary power to reduce the cities to the US's analogue to Australian LGAs, which only have the power to collect property taxes and take out the trash.

[Ashmoria]

Obviously this is a pretty sensitive issue. Personally I think were losing a lot of the nuance that comes with sexual identity in the new age with such rallying like "Stop the perverts, think about your kids and sisters!" or "Omg this is like a Jim crow thing that like cant even be allowed here". I'd argue both are right on some level. If our laws are too sweeping and general will have a situation where people can take advantage of this law for weird gain or put some people in uncomfortable situations. be on the other extreme we will have a situation where a person that looks, talks, and walks like a dude will be forced to use the women's restroom because its says she's a male on her birth certificate and vice versa for FtM trans people as well. we need to take a deeper look into how we can appropriately accommodate the needs of the masses without ignoring a massive segment of the general community. Personally I don't think the rape in public bathrooms argument withstands scrutiny because of how rare bathroom sexual assaults are but also how rare stranger on stranger sexual assault is. couple that with how public, public bathrooms can be and I think we've really only got a fear induced excuse against the argument. Again however I think appropriate compromise is in order. Maybe physicians who preform sexual transitions surgeries should be able to change the gender on the birth certificate more easily and make this more an issue on what sexual organs you have not what you sexually identify as. We can also just make it to where if you've taken adequate measures to be more like the gender you identify as than you can use the bathroom you most identify as. personally I feel the latter is the best and easier way of going about things especially given how hard a law like this is to enforce and that getting a reassignment surgery is just flat out expensive.

do we all need to carry our birth certificates where ever we go so we can produce them for the bathroom gender guard?

[Kelinfort]

we'll see what happens but I am proud of my president standing up for the weak against the bullies.

People who will not protect individual rights cannot claim to champion minority rights.

Pot, meet kettle.

[Liriena]

Oh, please... For one, not all empires have monarchs with absolute power (for example, Japan). And even if Obama were anything like the absolute monarchs you are equating him to, he would have single-handedly attempted to replace the governors defying him, because absolute monarchs tend not to give a single cuss about "states' rights".

It is a shame that students and teachers will be deprived of federal funding, but the blame lies squarely in the state governments that knowingly went against federal education regulations, and all in the name of irrational fear and hatred.

The states weren't asking for this new Presidential-Dept. of Education decree. It's only just been announced. The shame should be directed at the gun being held to the heads of the states.

So, if the next Federal education regulation outlawed the teaching of the theory of evolution, or they'd cut off funding, then that would be okay with you, yes?

No, that would not be okay with me, because the theory of evolution is a basic element of biology. Just because I support one specific regulation does not mean I am morally obligated to unquestioningly support every other regulation that might come in the future.

It does not matter how recent the regulations were. The state governments trying to violate those regulations are not doing so by accident. They are knowingly pushing for legislation that would directly conflict with those regulations. If the states did not want those new regulations, they were free to refuse further federal funding. The states cannot have their cake and eat it too, specially on matters of human rights.

[United Furry Alliance]

I love how the OP has no option called- We accepted an agreement for these funds and you can't just break established rules and keep getting funded.
Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick'S quote of "we won't sell out our children" which is what Texas number 2 dude be doing. He is literally selling out children with disabilities to wage his personal culture war on the trans community. This would also mean Texas public universities would lose major funds for research initiatives.
If anything it means he doesn't care about the disabled kids the scientific community,trans kids and even students who are being crushed by student debt.

[MightyQuinn]

Obviously this is a pretty sensitive issue. Personally I think were losing a lot of the nuance that comes with sexual identity in the new age with such rallying like "Stop the perverts, think about your kids and sisters!" or "Omg this is like a Jim crow thing that like cant even be allowed here". I'd argue both are right on some level. If our laws are too sweeping and general will have a situation where people can take advantage of this law for weird gain or put some people in uncomfortable situations. be on the other extreme we will have a situation where a person that looks, talks, and walks like a dude will be forced to use the women's restroom because its says she's a male on her birth certificate and vice versa for FtM trans people as well. we need to take a deeper look into how we can appropriately accommodate the needs of the masses without ignoring a massive segment of the general community. Personally I don't think the rape in public bathrooms argument withstands scrutiny because of how rare bathroom sexual assaults are but also how rare stranger on stranger sexual assault is. couple that with how public, public bathrooms can be and I think we've really only got a fear induced excuse against the argument. Again however I think appropriate compromise is in order. Maybe physicians who preform sexual transitions surgeries should be able to change the gender on the birth certificate more easily and make this more an issue on what sexual organs you have not what you sexually identify as. We can also just make it to where if you've taken adequate measures to be more like the gender you identify as than you can use the bathroom you most identify as. personally I feel the latter is the best and easier way of going about things especially given how hard a law like this is to enforce and that getting a reassignment surgery is just flat out expensive.

do we all need to carry our birth certificates where ever we go so we can produce them for the bathroom gender guard?

That or show and tell. Hey, if we can abolish the I.R.S., then that would be a good job for those folks.

[The Great Devourer of All]

I support this, actually.

[Liriena]

What exactly did you think was going to happen when states knowingly violated federal education regulations? Do you believe that people should be entitled to receiving funding even if they break the rules that they were required to follow in exchange for that funding?

Do you feel that people who knowingly break our immigration laws should be granted citizenship?

I'm an anti-nationalist, open-borders sort of guy so...

[Grand Britannia]

How I wish it was January 2017 already.

This is getting silly.

[The balkens]

How I wish it was January 2017 already.

This is getting silly.

But thats one year after CURRENT YEAR.

[Washington Resistance Army]

How I wish it was January 2017 already.

This is getting silly.

God-Emperor Trump will put a stop to all of this

[The Serbian Empire]

It's the GOP's fault for violating federal law. Now they pay the piper which means everyone living in those states suffers.

[Ashmoria]

do we all need to carry our birth certificates where ever we go so we can produce them for the bathroom gender guard?

That or show and tell. Hey, if we can abolish the I.R.S., then that would be a good job for those folks.

lolol

at least they wouldn't be thrown out on the streets with nothing.

[MightyQuinn]

I love how the OP has no option called- We accepted an agreement for these funds and you can't just break established rules and keep getting funded.
Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick'S quote of "we won't sell out our children" which is what Texas number 2 dude be doing. He is literally selling out children with disabilities to wage his personal culture war on the trans community. This would also mean Texas public universities would lose major funds for research initiatives.
If anything it means he doesn't care about the disabled kids the scientific community,trans kids and even students who are being crushed by student debt.

A Furry, eh?

How about you make a contract that stipulates your boss or lender can alter the terms of a legal agreement with you before they pay you.

[Devon Teyson]

do we all need to carry our birth certificates where ever we go so we can produce them for the bathroom gender guard?

That or show and tell. Hey, if we can abolish the I.R.S., then that would be a good job for those folks.

That would be undoubtedly weird. Especially for me.

[Liriena]

A Furry, eh?

We're all furries here. NSG is basically a year-long, 24/7 FurCon with a bit of Trump paraphernalia.

[MightyQuinn]

Do you feel that people who knowingly break our immigration laws should be granted citizenship?

I'm an anti-nationalist, open-borders sort of guy so...

The point is that you seem to believe in laws. The question then is:
Was there law in place to allow the President to stop these funds to disadvantaged and disabled kids, or is it a new regulation without the force of law?

[MightyQuinn]

A Furry, eh?

We're all furries here. NSG is basically a year-long, 24/7 FurCon with a bit of Trump paraphernalia.

For the sake of full disclosure... I have a Panda Costume.

[Kelinfort]

I'm an anti-nationalist, open-borders sort of guy so...

The point is that you seem to believe in laws. The question then is:
Was there law in place to allow the President to stop these funds to disadvantaged and disabled kids, or is it a new regulation without the force of law?

This is just a new interpretation and also falls under the powers of the executive branch, which is why a Republican administration can reinstate the Mexico City policy without having Congress pass a law.