Stopping Edu. Funds for Disabled Students over Bathroom Laws

[MightyQuinn]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/some-embrace-obama-administration%e2%80%99s-transgender-directive-others-vow-to-fight/ar-BBt1gSS?ocid=spartandhp

So, President Obama is willing to throw disadvantaged and disabled kids under “under the bus”, by cutting off Federal education dollars, for the sake of anti-sexual-segregation of school restrooms.

Personally, I find the notion of holding disadvantaged and disabled kids hostage to a social experiment downright despicable. I’m sure that there are probably enthusiastic supporters on the other side of the issue, however I also find it cowardly.

You surely have noticed that the Commander-In-Chief didn’t send this new proclamation to the U.S. Armed Forces, didn’t you? He doesn’t have the clout to make such a change to the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice) in the time that he remains President and likely couldn’t get it through Congress. Once again, he’s acting like an Emperor and not a President.

But that’s just my two cents.

[Ashmoria]

we'll see what happens but I am proud of my president standing up for the weak against the bullies.

[MightyQuinn]

we'll see what happens but I am proud of my president standing up for the weak against the bullies.

People who will not protect individual rights cannot claim to champion minority rights.

[Esternial]

Once again, he’s acting like an Emperor and not a President.

Ooooh pleeease.

You can have your two cents back. Don't want 'em.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I really disagree with this approach, I think the state is being dumb but cutting off money for people who need it just doesn't sit right with me.

[The East Marches]

They did the same thing highway funds and the drinking law age. The power of the purse is a great one. I'm not surprised this got pulled. Maybe the states should be careful from whom they take their handouts. They will yield eventually. Everybody love "the children". Its a very clever move.

[MightyQuinn]

Once again, he’s acting like an Emperor and not a President.

Ooooh pleeease.

You can have your two cents back. Don't want 'em.

I love well reasoned arguments. Try one.

[Esternial]

Ooooh pleeease.

You can have your two cents back. Don't want 'em.

I love well reasoned arguments. Try one.

Huh, you do?

Sorry, couldn't tell by the OP.

[MightyQuinn]

They did the same thing highway funds and the drinking law age. The power of the purse is a great one. I'm not surprised this got pulled. Maybe the states should be careful from whom they take their handouts. They will yield eventually. Everybody love "the children". Its a very clever move.

Highway funds are just crony-ism. On the drinking age, I believe if you're old enough to register for the draft then you're old enough to drink alcohol (not that drinking is a great idea).

But you raise a good question, will the states pick up the check or fight back? And the other question is does the President have the legal authority to hold back those funds?

[Devon Teyson]

Ooooh pleeease.

You can have your two cents back. Don't want 'em.

I love well reasoned arguments. Try one.

then go somewhere else, NSG is not the place for that. We only offer arrogant, self-deprecating one-worders with no caps or punctuation about how we're so evil and awful and impatient and informal that anyone who says "I demand Debate-level argumentation!" or some other hyperbolic rendition of what you just said will be laughed off, especially if they express opinions opposite to our own.
Anyway! The transphobia in Bill 2 could well have been bait set by the Reds to give themselves a Superfun overdose, but how else do you think Obama could have shown support for the LGBT community wherein federal support to North Carolina is involved?

They did the same thing highway funds and the drinking law age. The power of the purse is a great one. I'm not surprised this got pulled. Maybe the states should be careful from whom they take their handouts. They will yield eventually. Everybody love "the children". Its a very clever move.

Who else can they legally get them from?
oh right, the private transphobes and corporate nutbags.

[Liriena]

Once again, he’s acting like an Emperor and not a President.

Oh, please... For one, not all empires have monarchs with absolute power (for example, Japan). And even if Obama were anything like the absolute monarchs you are equating him to, he would have single-handedly attempted to replace the governors defying him, because absolute monarchs tend not to give a single cuss about "states' rights".

It is a shame that students and teachers will be deprived of federal funding, but the blame lies squarely in the state governments that knowingly went against federal education regulations, and all in the name of irrational fear and hatred.

[MightyQuinn]

I really disagree with this approach, I think the state is being dumb but cutting off money for people who need it just doesn't sit right with me.

I don't believe the states volunteered to have the funding cut. This is the threat from the Obama Administration.

[Esternial]

I love well reasoned arguments. Try one.

then go somewhere else, NSG is not the place for that. We only offer arrogant, self-deprecating one-worders with no caps or punctuation about how we're so evil and awful and impatient and informal that anyone who says "I demand Debate-level argumentation!" or some other hyperbolic rendition of what you just said will be laughed off, especially if they express opinions opposite to our own.

Frankly once you drop stuff like "Obama is emperor" you lose all right to demand "debate-level argumentation".

That kind of sensationalist drivel has no place in a proper debate, unless you really want to go American debate à la Trump.

[Liriena]

I really disagree with this approach, I think the state is being dumb but cutting off money for people who need it just doesn't sit right with me.

I don't believe the states volunteered to have the funding cut. This is the threat from the Obama Administration.

What exactly did you think was going to happen when states knowingly violated federal education regulations? Do you believe that people should be entitled to receiving funding even if they break the rules that they were required to follow in exchange for that funding?

[Washington Resistance Army]

I really disagree with this approach, I think the state is being dumb but cutting off money for people who need it just doesn't sit right with me.

I don't believe the states volunteered to have the funding cut. This is the threat from the Obama Administration.

Oh I'm aware, and I disagree with the administrations approach. Of course I disagree with the fed on a huge number of things but that's a story for another time.

Sorry if I worded it poorly, I'm tired and multitasking.

[Bogdanov Vishniac]

we'll see what happens but I am proud of my president standing up for the weak against the bullies.

People who will not protect individual rights cannot claim to champion minority rights.

What individual right is at stake here?

[Esternial]

I don't believe the states volunteered to have the funding cut. This is the threat from the Obama Administration.

What exactly did you think was going to happen when states knowingly violated federal education regulations? Do you believe that people should be entitled to receiving funding even if they break the rules that they were required to follow in exchange for that funding?

Don't see what else could have been done, considering just saying "tut tut" has never once worked over the entire course of human history.

[Devon Teyson]

then go somewhere else, NSG is not the place for that. We only offer arrogant, self-deprecating one-worders with no caps or punctuation about how we're so evil and awful and impatient and informal that anyone who says "I demand Debate-level argumentation!" or some other hyperbolic rendition of what you just said will be laughed off, especially if they express opinions opposite to our own.

Frankly once you drop stuff like "Obama is emperor" you lose all right to demand "debate-level argumentation".

That kind of sensationalist drivel has no place in a proper debate, unless you really want to go American debate à la Trump.

e: I guess you probably do.
But wouldn't that be flaming and trolling?

Once again, he’s acting like an Emperor and not a President.

Oh, please... For one, not all empires have monarchs with absolute power (for example, Japan). And even if Obama were anything like the absolute monarchs you are equating him to, he would have single-handedly attempted to replace the governors defying him, because absolute monarchs tend not to give a single cuss about "states' rights".

They don't give a shit about anyone's rights and are also unitary states, so the US government, were it unitary, could just give them a jolly clap upside the head and smack 'em with their own law in response. Were Obama our hereditary monarch and Emperor/King, he would've packed off the whole government to a FEMA reeducation camp inside the nearest WalMart's section on house materials.

[MightyQuinn]

Once again, he’s acting like an Emperor and not a President.

Oh, please... For one, not all empires have monarchs with absolute power (for example, Japan). And even if Obama were anything like the absolute monarchs you are equating him to, he would have single-handedly attempted to replace the governors defying him, because absolute monarchs tend not to give a single cuss about "states' rights".

It is a shame that students and teachers will be deprived of federal funding, but the blame lies squarely in the state governments that knowingly went against federal education regulations, and all in the name of irrational fear and hatred.

The states weren't asking for this new Presidential-Dept. of Education decree. It's only just been announced. The shame should be directed at the gun being held to the heads of the states.

So, if the next Federal education regulation outlawed the teaching of the theory of evolution, or they'd cut off funding, then that would be okay with you, yes?

[Ashmoria]

People who will not protect individual rights cannot claim to champion minority rights.

What individual right is at stake here?

the right to pee without getting beaten up

[MightyQuinn]

What individual right is at stake here?

the right to pee without getting beaten up

A right to privacy.

[Esternial]

Frankly once you drop stuff like "Obama is emperor" you lose all right to demand "debate-level argumentation".

That kind of sensationalist drivel has no place in a proper debate, unless you really want to go American debate à la Trump.

e: I guess you probably do.
But wouldn't that be flaming and trolling?

Well...eh...wait...you're not wrong, but...hmm.

Touché.

[Liriena]

People who will not protect individual rights cannot claim to champion minority rights.

What individual right is at stake here?

The... umm... right not to allow another fellow student pee in the stall next to yours?

[Linux and the X]

I really disagree with this approach, I think the state is being dumb but cutting off money for people who need it just doesn't sit right with me.

I don't believe the states volunteered to have the funding cut. This is the threat from the Obama Administration.

They were aware that refusing to comply with Federal education law meant they could lose Federal funding, and chose noncompliance anyway. Why should the Federal government hand out money to schools that don't follow the law?

[Liriena]

the right to pee without getting beaten up

A right to privacy.

Harrassment is still illegal even with anti-discrimination protections for trans people. Neeeeeeeext.