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Gun Used to Kill Trayvon Martin Being Auctioned.

Postby Ever-Wandering Souls » Thu May 12, 2016 5:17 am

First, the news:

SANFORD, Fla. (AP) - Former Florida neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman is auctioning off the pistol he used in the fatal shooting of Trayvon Martin, an unarmed black teenager.

In an interview with Orlando, Florida, TV station WOFL, Zimmerman said he had just gotten the pistol back from the U.S. Justice Department, which took it after he was acquitted in Martin's 2012 shooting death.

"And I thought it's time to move past the firearm," Zimmerman told the station. "And if I sell it and it sells, I move past it. Otherwise, it's going in a safe for my grandkids and never to be used or seen again."

The auction listing on GunBroker.com lists the gun as a 9 mm Kel-Tec PF-9 pistol. The auction begins at 11 a.m. EDT Thursday and ends at the same time Friday. The bidding starts at $5,000.
The auction listing also says a portion of the proceeds will go toward fighting what Zimmerman calls violence by the Black Lives Matter movement against law enforcement officers, combatting anti-gun rhetoric of Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton and ending the career of Angela Corey, the attorney who led the prosecution against Zimmerman.

The listing ends with a Latin phrase that translates as "if you want peace, prepare for war."

When asked what he thought of people who would be opposed to auctioning the gun, Zimmerman said, "They're not going to be bidding on it, so I couldn't care less about them."


Well, I suppose legally he has every right to do this, but still - this reminds me almost of "If I did it," or more relevant to the race conflict, the Emmett Till murderers selling their story to time, in that someone aquitted of wrongdoing is profiting off their "crime." It pissed me off, but I'm not sure how one would go about countering it without massively reducing civil rights. I would not be opposed, however, if someone were to publish the names over everyone who bids on this, which is perhaps a bit of an extreme view to take.

So here's the question I'm getting to, and mostly answered above - What, if anything, can and should be done about aquitted defendants profiting from their supposed crime? In more extreme cases, such as the Emmett Till case, where it's a near confession, should there be a way to null Double Jeopardy and retry these cases? How do we balance constitutional rights of defendants and cases like this and others? For our international members, how does your country handle defendants profiting off their infamy?

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu May 12, 2016 5:20 am

If anyone pays that much for a PF-9 they're a dumbass.

Nothing should be done about it, he's not breaking the law.
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Postby Khadgar » Thu May 12, 2016 5:23 am

He's such a classy murderer isn't he?

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Postby Ever-Wandering Souls » Thu May 12, 2016 5:24 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:If anyone pays that much for a PF-9 they're a dumbass.

Nothing should be done about it, he's not breaking the law.


Well, if he was just selling a gun, he'd have listed it somewhere without the whole "that killed T.M." Title on it. He's selling the infamy of it, most likely to some white supremacist who'll frame it on display somewhere. It's like Trump putting his name on things - somehow among the right audience, increases the value substantially :P

Very correct. Should there be law against it?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu May 12, 2016 5:27 am

Khadgar wrote:He's such a classy murderer isn't he?


Sure I'll admit he's a dumbass, but he didn't murder anyone. The evidence was on his side.

Since I'm very active on GunBroker and it's relevant, here's the actual link to the auction for anyone interested.

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Washington Resistance Army wrote:If anyone pays that much for a PF-9 they're a dumbass.

Nothing should be done about it, he's not breaking the law.


Well, if he was just selling a gun, he'd have listed it somewhere without the whole "that killed T.M." Title on it. He's selling the infamy of it most likely to some white supremacist who'll frame it on display somewhere.

Very correct. Should there be law against it?


I might find it scummy, but I do have to admit it's fairly genius because we both know some idiot out there is going to pay an arm and a leg for a cheap handgun.

I myself don't think there should be laws against it, no.
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Postby Legatia » Thu May 12, 2016 5:30 am

It's his property, and it doesn't matter who he shot or didn't shot. He has just as much a right to sell the pistol and use it's proceeds as he wishes as a hot dog vendor in New York City, and that would still go if he was judged guilty.

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Postby The balkens » Thu May 12, 2016 5:32 am

He's a private citizen selling private property that killed some poor kid in a tragic turn events.

Gee, we should be REALLY be outraged at this. *nods

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Postby Ifreann » Thu May 12, 2016 5:32 am

At what point do we stop caring about what Zimmerman gets up to?
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Postby The balkens » Thu May 12, 2016 5:33 am

Ifreann wrote:At what point do we stop caring about what Zimmerman gets up to?


probably after the trail.

but hey, BLM probably has him at the top of their shit list. *shrugs

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Postby Dakini » Thu May 12, 2016 5:35 am

Khadgar wrote:He's such a classy murderer isn't he?

Yeah, Zimmerman is totally the epitome of class.

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Postby Ever-Wandering Souls » Thu May 12, 2016 5:37 am

The balkens wrote:He's a private citizen selling private property that killed some poor kid in a tragic turn events.

Gee, we should be REALLY be outraged at this. *nods


Well, according to the sales post, he actually fended off a vicious attack. *nods*
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Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:
The balkens wrote:He's a private citizen selling private property that killed some poor kid in a tragic turn events.

Gee, we should be REALLY be outraged at this. *nods


Well, according to the sales post, he actually fended off a vicious attack. *nods*


maybe if he hadn't been a dumbass and stayed in his car, he'd be better off. *shrugs

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Postby Vassenor » Thu May 12, 2016 5:39 am

The balkens wrote:He's a private citizen selling private property that killed some poor kid in a tragic turn events.

Gee, we should be REALLY be outraged at this. *nods


Because gloating about getting away with murder is totally OK, apparently.
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Postby North America and the Caribbean Islands » Thu May 12, 2016 5:39 am

Hope it doesn't get sold to a cop from Chicago, the Windy City has enough white cop-on-unarmed black violence already.

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Postby Hardknock » Thu May 12, 2016 5:40 am

Khadgar wrote:He's such a classy murderer isn't he?

Shades of OJ Simpson.
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Postby AiliailiA » Thu May 12, 2016 5:43 am

There's no good end to this.

If I could buy the gun for fair market price, then destroy it and post a video of the destruction, that would be good.

But unfortunately, it will probably sell well above the price of any other second-hand gun. If someone buys it to make a point of destroying it, they're still rewarding Zimmerman with cash. And that's bad, even if you believe Zimmerman did nothing wrong, because it's rewarding celebrity, and not the good kind of celebrity which is earned by discovering something, inventing something, or making some important decision which later turns out to benefit the human race. The dumb-luck kind of celebrity.

People collect all sorts of stupid crap, knowing some other idiot will pay more for it later because they in turn know some other idiot will pay even more, even later. Antique children's toys, worth even more if still in their original packaging because no child ever played with them. Like that.

Whether Zimmerman is a creepy stalker who only survived because the guy he confronted wasn't armed with a gun, or whether he's an honest man who thought he was doing his duty watching the neighbourhood and was forced to defend himself with lethal force ... whether he was a villain or a hero back then ... the measure of the man is shown now.

No-one can stop the revolting auction of that controversial gun, except Zimmerman. No-one benefits from the auction, except Zimmerman (and only in getting money, not reputation). To auction off the gun shows just how tiny and stunted the conscience of George Zimmerman is.
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Postby Oceara » Thu May 12, 2016 5:43 am

Shouldn't it be in some evidence locker somewhere? Weird they would give back a weapon that was part of an investigation, but then again I don't know a whole lot about the process of how evidence is handled after a case ends.

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Postby The Forsworn Knights » Thu May 12, 2016 5:44 am

Its probably going to get hung up over some Klansman's fireplace. But, its his property. Not my problem.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu May 12, 2016 5:46 am

Ailiailia wrote:There's no good end to this.

If I could buy the gun for fair market price, then destroy it and post a video of the destruction, that would be good.

But unfortunately, it will probably sell well above the price of any other second-hand gun. If someone buys it to make a point of destroying it, they're still rewarding Zimmerman with cash. And that's bad, even if you believe Zimmerman did nothing wrong, because it's rewarding celebrity, and not the good kind of celebrity which is earned by discovering something, inventing something, or making some important decision which later turns out to benefit the human race. The dumb-luck kind of celebrity.

People collect all sorts of stupid crap, knowing some other idiot will pay more for it later because they in turn know some other idiot will pay even more, even later. Antique children's toys, worth even more if still in their original packaging because no child ever played with them. Like that.

Whether Zimmerman is a creepy stalker who only survived because the guy he confronted wasn't armed with a gun, or whether he's an honest man who thought he was doing his duty watching the neighbourhood and was forced to defend himself with lethal force ... whether he was a villain or a hero back then ... the measure of the man is shown now.

No-one can stop the revolting auction of that controversial gun, except Zimmerman. No-one benefits from the auction, except Zimmerman (and only in getting money, not reputation). To auction off the gun shows just how tiny and stunted the conscience of George Zimmerman is.


In all honesty it's probably going to sell at machine gun prices, it's insane he's probably going to make a ton of money off of it.

Oceara wrote:Shouldn't it be in some evidence locker somewhere? Weird they would give back a weapon that was part of an investigation, but then again I don't know a whole lot about the process of how evidence is handled after a case ends.


No, once the investigation/trial is over you can get your stuff back if you're found not guilty.
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Postby The Holy Therns » Thu May 12, 2016 5:46 am

I'm stunned this guy still gets attention.
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Postby Zoice » Thu May 12, 2016 5:47 am

People also auction off stuff the nazis used in mass murder. People auction off a lot of weird shit, sometimes because they're morbidly fascinated, sometimes because they're assholes that idolize the person that used it. Whatever.
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People will pay for weird shit. My mum accidentally stumbled across a community of used slipper fetishists on eBay once.

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Alvecia wrote:People will pay for weird shit. My mum accidentally stumbled across a community of used slipper fetishists on eBay once.


I read "collection" instead of "community" at first, and had many, many questions.
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Alvecia wrote:People will pay for weird shit. My mum accidentally stumbled across a community of used slipper fetishists on eBay once.


She may think she got a good price, but she sold her sole.
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Vassenor wrote:
The balkens wrote:He's a private citizen selling private property that killed some poor kid in a tragic turn events.

Gee, we should be REALLY be outraged at this. *nods


Because gloating about getting away with murder is totally OK, apparently.


Murder is a strong word.

Idiot getting into shit that he should not have started and ending up killing someone for it?

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Murder?

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