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Postby The Dragons Treaty » Wed May 11, 2016 6:29 am

Hi there!

It's come to my ears (or eyes, seeing as I read it) that there is going to be an increase in military personnel in Germany of about 14 000 military and 4000 (or such) civilian personnel. Also, Secretary of Defense Ursula von der Leyen has announced a turnaround in spending policies regarding the military.

A few days prior, the Ministry of Defense has also announced plans to create a cyber warfare group inside the military that exists besides the Air Force, Navy and Ground Forces as an independent branch.

As a German, I think this is actually a very good idea, both the cyber warfare department and the increase in military spending. I think an overhaul of the military has been necessary for quite some time now, especially with how Miss von der Leyen revealed the disastrous condition the military was in before, with only a small percentage of the Air Force's assets actually ready to fly and the shortcomings of the G36 rifle. What are your thoughts on this? Should the German government (or other governments, for that matter) further increase military spending? Or just leave it as it is?

And while we're at it, are you more of a supporter of an active military with a high budget for any nations or rather a supporter of low-budget and low-standard militaries?

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Postby Hardknock » Wed May 11, 2016 6:49 am

It is a wise precautionary move in light of a certain American presidential candidate bloviating about US withdrawal from NATO and the UN.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Wed May 11, 2016 6:51 am

Hardknock wrote:It is a wise precautionary move in light of a certain American presidential candidate bloviating about US withdrawal from NATO and the UN.


You're talking about Trump right?

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Postby Allet Klar Chefs » Wed May 11, 2016 6:52 am

Seems like a hand-out to the AfD crowd's kids and German engine-makers more than the result of any pressing military need.

Like who are these soldiers going to fight? Daft.

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Postby Risottia » Wed May 11, 2016 6:56 am

Hardknock wrote:It is a wise precautionary move in light of a certain American presidential candidate bloviating about US withdrawal from NATO and the UN.

And one never knows what Belgium might be up to.

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Postby Insaeldor » Wed May 11, 2016 6:56 am

Doesn't surprise me. With a more actively pro skating Russian state testing the limits of its abilities in the Baltics and slowly trying to reestablish its sphere of influence that it's slowly lost over the decades. Hopefully this means the Germans are more willing to be assertive on international issues and back up the diplomacy. Not saying they need to be the US in this endevour but taking a more active role in the field of foreign relations would be nice to see, along with France and the U.K. as well.
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Postby Baltenstein » Wed May 11, 2016 6:57 am

About time. Compared to its role in world politics, Germany's military is laughably under-prepared.

I'm not sure how much this will achieve in the middle-term though.
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Postby Opplandia » Wed May 11, 2016 7:07 am

Yeah, nice to see that they finally came to senses about this topic. There´s no need to debate wether or not their delusional plans to save money caused these problems in the first place, which now will lead to them loosing more money than theyve managed to save. Though I hope that they dont blow that money on stupid projects like that 'EuroHawk'-drone, but instead use it to bring the equipment that they have up to par.
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Postby Risottia » Wed May 11, 2016 7:07 am

Baltenstein wrote:About time. Compared to its role in world politics, Germany's military is laughably under-prepared.

I'm not sure how much this will achieve in the middle-term though.

I guess that some German companies like, dunno, Krauss-Maffei for one are going to be happy.
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Postby Allet Klar Chefs » Wed May 11, 2016 7:09 am

Baltenstein wrote:About time. Compared to its role in world politics, Germany's military is laughably under-prepared

Under prepared for what exactly?

You think Germany is going to launch a ground war sometime soon?

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Postby Risottia » Wed May 11, 2016 7:11 am

Allet Klar Chefs wrote:
Baltenstein wrote:About time. Compared to its role in world politics, Germany's military is laughably under-prepared

Under prepared for what exactly?

You think Germany is going to launch a ground war sometime soon?

Well, there's the possibility that Libya will ask for help...
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Postby Ralkovian Grand Island » Wed May 11, 2016 7:12 am

Allet Klar Chefs wrote:Seems like a hand-out to the AfD crowd's kids and German engine-makers more than the result of any pressing military need.

Like who are these soldiers going to fight? Daft.


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Postby Risottia » Wed May 11, 2016 7:14 am

Ralkovian Grand Island wrote:
Allet Klar Chefs wrote:Seems like a hand-out to the AfD crowd's kids and German engine-makers more than the result of any pressing military need.

Like who are these soldiers going to fight? Daft.


Russiya. Dah?


A wonderful idea. After all, third time's the charm!

No wait, I guess it would be a bit more than the third time...
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Postby Valaran » Wed May 11, 2016 7:14 am

This is fine and likely appreciated by Germany's allies. At a cursory glance, the measures seem prudent.


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Though, if you have any links detailing the increase of future plans, they would be welcome to put in your post.
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Postby Theodosiya » Wed May 11, 2016 7:21 am

Nothing wrong with that. It's their right.
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Postby Murovanka » Wed May 11, 2016 7:22 am

Allet Klar Chefs wrote:Seems like a hand-out to the AfD crowd's kids and German engine-makers more than the result of any pressing military need.

Like who are these soldiers going to fight? Daft.


Man kann ja nie wissen, vielleicht kommt's zu nem Aufstand mit den neuen ehrenwerten Gästen. Is ja früher mal in Jordanien auch passiert.
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Postby Allet Klar Chefs » Wed May 11, 2016 7:24 am

Murovanka wrote:
Allet Klar Chefs wrote:Seems like a hand-out to the AfD crowd's kids and German engine-makers more than the result of any pressing military need.

Like who are these soldiers going to fight? Daft.


Man kann ja nie wissen, vielleicht kommt's zu nem Aufstand mit den neuen ehrenwerten Gästen. Is ja früher mal in Jordanien auch passiert.

Since the German military is constitutionally banned from getting involved in internal security I don't see the relevance.

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Postby Risottia » Wed May 11, 2016 7:25 am

Murovanka wrote:
Allet Klar Chefs wrote:Seems like a hand-out to the AfD crowd's kids and German engine-makers more than the result of any pressing military need.

Like who are these soldiers going to fight? Daft.


Man kann ja nie wissen, vielleicht kommt's zu nem Aufstand mit den neuen ehrenwerten Gästen. Is ja früher mal in Jordanien auch passiert.


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Postby Colbert Super PAC » Wed May 11, 2016 7:45 am

Merkel was also overheard saying "Poland, here I come!"
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Postby Baltenstein » Wed May 11, 2016 7:47 am

Allet Klar Chefs wrote:
Baltenstein wrote:About time. Compared to its role in world politics, Germany's military is laughably under-prepared

Under prepared for what exactly?


For any potential scenario, really, be it NATO guarantees to the Baltics, from military intervention to North Africa and/or the ME.
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Postby Mefpan » Wed May 11, 2016 7:47 am

Colbert Super PAC wrote:Merkel was also overheard saying "Poland, here I come!"

Funny, it's actually the AfD that at its beginning advocated for a return to the historically decent Russo-German relations of before the world wars.
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Postby Baltenstein » Wed May 11, 2016 7:49 am

Mefpan wrote:
Colbert Super PAC wrote:Merkel was also overheard saying "Poland, here I come!"

Funny, it's actually the AfD that at its beginning advocated for a return to the historically decent Russo-German relations of before the world wars.


The amusing thing is that as soon as this sort of talk comes up, the current Polish government's usual "Poland stronk, remove EU" bravado goes out of the window in like 5 seconds.
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Postby Murovanka » Wed May 11, 2016 7:51 am

Risottia wrote:
Murovanka wrote:Man kann ja nie wissen, vielleicht kommt's zu nem Aufstand mit den neuen ehrenwerten Gästen. Is ja früher mal in Jordanien auch passiert.


Tut mir leid, die Bundeswehr ist keine Polizei.


Bin mir nicht sicher wie es rechtlich geht, aber eine 2/3 Mehrheit wird's schon schaffen glaube ich. Wer weiss, vielleicht braucht das Volk ein bisschen... Ermächtigung
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Postby Colbert Super PAC » Wed May 11, 2016 7:55 am

This is clearly the first step in Merkel's plan to conquer all of Europe and create the Fourth Reich. We must bomb Germany before it's too late!
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Postby Baltenstein » Wed May 11, 2016 7:55 am

Murovanka wrote:
Risottia wrote:
Tut mir leid, die Bundeswehr ist keine Polizei.


Bin mir nicht sicher wie es rechtlich geht, aber eine 2/3 Mehrheit wird's schon schaffen glaube ich. Wer weiss, vielleicht braucht das Volk ein bisschen... Ermächtigung


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