BBC Discrimination Against White People?

[The balkens]

So in the process of trying to attain equality, you are actively promoting making something else less equal, inherently belying your own purpose. I didn't notice this before, but this place is full of regressive leftists. It hurts. It hurts so bad.

not full but its fair share of illiberal ideologues.

[Alvecia]

So in the process of trying to attain equality, you are actively promoting making something else less equal, inherently belying your own purpose. I didn't notice this before, but this place is full of regressive leftists. It hurts. It hurts so bad.

Are charities promoting inequality by only giving money to the poor?

[Stormopolis]

So in the process of trying to attain equality, you are actively promoting making something else less equal, inherently belying your own purpose. I didn't notice this before, but this place is full of regressive leftists. It hurts. It hurts so bad.

Are charities promoting inequality by only giving money to the poor?

You can't compare the two. Charities do not tell the rich to check their privilige. In fact, without the rich, there would be no money given to the poor, for who else but the well-off have money to spare for the poor?

[Prussia-Steinbach]

It's amazing how these tremendously powerful and evil people seem to have ended up defeated on every front.

Have you considered that you might have more to fear from the people you are not allowed to criticise?

I can criticize whoever the hell I want without legal repercussions here in the US. Other countries may have legislation restricting it, but INTERPOL doesn't have a remote controlling your vocal cords.

And if you think these Western superpowers "have ended up defeated on every front," I'd like a link to your news source. Wouldn't mind knowing what history books you've opened either. Honestly, we just need an in-depth explanation of your, personal interpretation of the meaning of the word "defeat."

[Alvecia]

Are charities promoting inequality by only giving money to the poor?

You can't compare the two. Charities do not tell the rich to check their privilige.

Neither do organisations like the one in the OP. Only armchair activists and imaginary SJW's

In fact, without the rich, there would be no money given to the poor, for who else but the well-off have money to spare for the poor?

Not at all relevant to my question.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Are charities promoting inequality by only giving money to the poor?

You can't compare the two. Charities do not tell the rich to check their privilige. In fact, without the rich, there would be no money given to the poor, for who else but the well-off have money to spare for the poor?

You can not genuinely think those three sentences are in any way reasonable. I'm not even sure where to begin. It's like some sort of confusing, intellectually-poisonous defense mechanism.

[Stormopolis]

You can't compare the two. Charities do not tell the rich to check their privilige. In fact, without the rich, there would be no money given to the poor, for who else but the well-off have money to spare for the poor?

You can not genuinely think those three sentences are in any way reasonable. I'm not even sure where to begin. It's like some sort of confusing, intellectually-poisonous defense mechanism.

Do tell me how things work then, oh wise purveyor of all wisdom and knowledge. Teach me all the secrets of your regressive left-wing passions, so I may become as adept at misunderstanding, misinterpreting, and being blind as you are.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

So in the process of trying to attain equality, you are actively promoting making something else less equal, inherently belying your own purpose. I didn't notice this before, but this place is full of regressive leftists. It hurts. It hurts so bad.

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. If only I had some fucking building blocks, I genuinely feel like this might be easier. You know, spatial physical height stuff.

Black people have been put down by white people for a long time, yes? Yes. Slavery, segregation, etc. Oppression.

So, whites above blacks in racial societal hierarchy. Blacks below whites. Blacks lower than whites, so if they (blacks) go up (toward whites) in society, there is more equality.

Promoting the status of black people makes society more equal.

Making sense yet? Or is this a lost cause?

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Do tell me how things work then, oh wise purveyor of all wisdom and knowledge. Teach me all the secrets of your regressive left-wing passions, so I may become as adept at misunderstanding, misinterpreting, and being blind as you are.

"regressive left"

So being against racism is all it takes to earn such a cute little fabricated title, devoid of any meaning - much less clout - nowadays, I see?

[HMS Vanguard]

It's amazing how these tremendously powerful and evil people seem to have ended up defeated on every front.

Have you considered that you might have more to fear from the people you are not allowed to criticise?

I can criticize whoever the hell I want without legal repercussions here in the US. Other countries may have legislation restricting it, but INTERPOL doesn't have a remote controlling your vocal cords.

And if you think these Western superpowers "have ended up defeated on every front," I'd like a link to your news source. Wouldn't mind knowing what history books you've opened either. Honestly, we just need an in-depth explanation of your, personal interpretation of the meaning of the word "defeat."

They used to control the world, murder everyone, etc. - now we are discussing whether or not they should have equal consideration for jobs in their own country, largely coming down on the side of, "no".

[Alvecia]

You can not genuinely think those three sentences are in any way reasonable. I'm not even sure where to begin. It's like some sort of confusing, intellectually-poisonous defense mechanism.

Do tell me how things work then, oh wise purveyor of all wisdom and knowledge. Teach me all the secrets of your regressive left-wing passions, so I may become as adept at misunderstanding, misinterpreting, and being blind as you are.

If anything I think you're overqualified in that regard.

[Frenline Delpha]

I can criticize whoever the hell I want without legal repercussions here in the US. Other countries may have legislation restricting it, but INTERPOL doesn't have a remote controlling your vocal cords.

And if you think these Western superpowers "have ended up defeated on every front," I'd like a link to your news source. Wouldn't mind knowing what history books you've opened either. Honestly, we just need an in-depth explanation of your, personal interpretation of the meaning of the word "defeat."

They used to control the world, murder everyone, etc. - now we are discussing whether or not they should have equal consideration for jobs in their own country, largely coming down on the side of, "no".

So people should be punished for the sins of their forefathers?

Unless I misunderstand what you are are arguing about.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

They used to control the world, murder everyone, etc. - now we are discussing whether or not they should have equal consideration for jobs in their own country, largely coming down on the side of, "no".

So people should be punished for the sins of their forefathers?

Unless I misunderstand what you are are arguing about.

Nope. Modern society sprang from that of our forefathers. Our parents raised us and imbued in our generation many of their own prejudices and tendencies and suppositions, just as theirs did to them, and so on and so forth. The institutions we perpetuate today were founded by our forefathers. They gave them their own standards, traditions, and systems, and set for them directions and purposes attuned to their worldview.

We can't just pretend our predecessors didn't exist, or that the negative aspects of their personalities and culture haven't affected us.

[Frenline Delpha]

So people should be punished for the sins of their forefathers?

Unless I misunderstand what you are are arguing about.

Nope. Modern society sprang from that of our forefathers. Our parents raised us and imbued in our generation many of their own prejudices and tendencies and suppositions, just as theirs did to them, and so on and so forth. The institutions we perpetuate today were founded by our forefathers. They gave it their own standards, traditions, and systems, and set for it a direction and purpose.

We can't just pretend our predecessors didn't exist, or that the negative aspects of their personalities and culture haven't affected us.

Yet it's gotten better with each generation. So, while I don't completely disagree with you, I'd say it's better now then it was, and it will continue to get better.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

I can criticize whoever the hell I want without legal repercussions here in the US. Other countries may have legislation restricting it, but INTERPOL doesn't have a remote controlling your vocal cords.

And if you think these Western superpowers "have ended up defeated on every front," I'd like a link to your news source. Wouldn't mind knowing what history books you've opened either. Honestly, we just need an in-depth explanation of your, personal interpretation of the meaning of the word "defeat."

They used to control the world, murder everyone, etc. - now we are discussing whether or not they should have equal consideration for jobs in their own country, largely coming down on the side of, "no".

You have either misread the OP, misunderstood the conversation, or intentionally twisted the situation to fit the direction of your own argument.

We are discussing the existence of a program specifically designed for minorities, alongside a variety of programs open to all and likely dominated by whites. It should be clear that in order to achieve racial equality in society, the group that is below the other must be given assistance.

Of course, their elevation must first be acknowledged.

[Free Tristania]

If an institution no longer serves the native inhabitants of a country, it should quite simply be abolished. Time to scrap the BBC and sell its assets on the free market.

[HMS Vanguard]

So people should be punished for the sins of their forefathers?

Unless I misunderstand what you are are arguing about.

Nope. Modern society sprang from that of our forefathers. Our parents raised us and imbued in our generation many of their own prejudices and tendencies and suppositions, just as theirs did to them, and so on and so forth. The institutions we perpetuate today were founded by our forefathers. They gave them their own standards, traditions, and systems, and set for them directions and purposes attuned to their worldview.

We can't just pretend our predecessors didn't exist, or that the negative aspects of their personalities and culture haven't affected us.

End of European control over the third world was pretty much complete by 1965, and already an inevitability by 1945. How old are your parents, or even grandparents, that they had any impact on this?

What I am pointing out is that end of European control happened at a time when Europeans had total military supremacy. It was a policy pursued by Europeans. Which makes your characterisation of your great and great-great grandparents rather absurd.

[Wallenburg]

Yes, I'd say so. Restricting job opportunities from any particular ethnicity is discriminatory.

[Frenline Delpha]

They used to control the world, murder everyone, etc. - now we are discussing whether or not they should have equal consideration for jobs in their own country, largely coming down on the side of, "no".

You have either misread the OP, misunderstood the conversation, or intentionally twisted the situation to fit the direction of your own argument.

We are discussing the existence of a program specifically designed for minorities, alongside a variety of programs open to all and likely dominated by whites. It should be clear that in order to achieve racial equality in society, the group that is below the other must be given assistance.

Of course, their elevation must first be acknowledged.

So, you like equality of outcome?

Don't get me wrong, I think that programs to help poor or struggling individuals, but a program being dominated by whites isn't necessarily a bad thing. If they earn what they get, I'm fine with it. I'm just trying to find where you're arguing from.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Yet it's gotten better with each generation. So, while I don't completely disagree with you, I'd say it's better now then it was, and it will continue to get better.

Of course. Blacks aren't considered property anymore. They can even vote, despite certain state governments' best efforts. The government no longer enforces racial segregation.

But just because you used to treat someone like a farm animal, and now they're a yard pet, doesn't mean you're a fantastic person. We must achieve equality. And pretending institutional racism is nonexistent will work contrary to that goal.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

So, you like equality of outcome?

No. I am speaking of equality of opportunity. Minorities are at a distinct disadvantage in white Western society, and programs like this help even the playing field.

Don't get me wrong, I think that programs to help poor or struggling individuals, but a program being dominated by whites isn't necessarily a bad thing. If they earn what they get, I'm fine with it. I'm just trying to find where you're arguing from.

The problem is that it's been shown that if admissions officers/recruiters/employers received two applications identical in everything but name - one a common white American name, the other a common black American name - the white person's application will pretty much always win out.

I'm not saying this is deliberate at all. Not in all or even most cases. Racial prejudice and cultural stereotypes are deeply ingrained in us from early childhood, to the degree that we aren't even conscious of them affecting our thought process without concerted introspection, deliberately evaluating your own reactions and behaviors in certain situations.

[Wallenburg]

So, you like equality of outcome?

No. I am speaking of equality of opportunity. Minorities are at a distinct disadvantage in white Western society, and programs like this help even the playing field.

Don't get me wrong, I think that programs to help poor or struggling individuals, but a program being dominated by whites isn't necessarily a bad thing. If they earn what they get, I'm fine with it. I'm just trying to find where you're arguing from.

The problem is that it's been shown that if admissions officers/recruiters/employers received two applications identical in everything but name - one a common white American name, the other a common black American name - the white person's application will pretty much always win out.

I'm not saying this is deliberate at all. Not in all or even most cases. Racial prejudice and cultural stereotypes are deeply ingrained in us from early childhood, to the degree that we aren't even conscious of them affecting our thought process without concerted introspection, deliberately evaluating your own reactions and behaviors in certain situations.

Which is why I think that businesses ought to look exclusively at credentials and skill when weighing the merits of a prospective employee's application.

[Vassenor]

So today we learned that equal opportunities is a racist concept because it means White people can't excel.

[Braecland]

So people should be punished for the sins of their forefathers?

Unless I misunderstand what you are are arguing about.

Nope. Modern society sprang from that of our forefathers. Our parents raised us and imbued in our generation many of their own prejudices and tendencies and suppositions, just as theirs did to them, and so on and so forth. The institutions we perpetuate today were founded by our forefathers. They gave them their own standards, traditions, and systems, and set for them directions and purposes attuned to their worldview.

We can't just pretend our predecessors didn't exist, or that the negative aspects of their personalities and culture haven't affected us.

Behold, social justice's version of original sin. And people say it isn't a religious cult. Remember people, it's not enough to be anti-racist, you have to actively dismantle white privilege by segregating and discriminating based on arbitrary features like skin colour and ethnicity.

[Wallenburg]

So today we learned that equal opportunities is a racist concept because it means White people can't excel.

I hate to disagree with you, but this is not what equal opportunity looks like. White people have zero opportunity to get this job.