BBC Discrimination Against White People?

[Alvecia]

This is discrimination, black and white (to use perhaps an inappropriate turn of phrase).

"Positive" discrimination is still discrimination, however its perpetrators attempt to justify it.

Is it really though? These specific job offers mentioned in the OP were provided by an organisation whose sole aim is to

provide opportunities for paid internships in the creative industries for young people of graduate (or equivalent standard) from under-represented black, Asian and other non-white minority ethnic backgrounds

To say these job offers are discriminatory is to also say that organisations dedicated to getting young people jobs, or old people jobs, or war veterans jobs, or the disabled jobs are also discriminatory.

[Internationalist Bastard]

This is discrimination, black and white (to use perhaps an inappropriate turn of phrase).

"Positive" discrimination is still discrimination, however its perpetrators attempt to justify it.

Is it really though? These specific job offers mentioned in the OP were provided by an organisation whose sole aim is to

provide opportunities for paid internships in the creative industries for young people of graduate (or equivalent standard) from under-represented black, Asian and other non-white minority ethnic backgrounds

To say these job offers are discriminatory is to also say that organisations dedicated to getting young people jobs, or old people jobs, or war veterans jobs, or the disabled jobs are also discriminatory.

Without going on my anti VA rant, they kind of are. Focusing on group of people above another is discrimination

[Alvecia]

Is it really though? These specific job offers mentioned in the OP were provided by an organisation whose sole aim is to


To say these job offers are discriminatory is to also say that organisations dedicated to getting young people jobs, or old people jobs, or war veterans jobs, or the disabled jobs are also discriminatory.

Without going on my anti VA rant, they kind of are. Focusing on group of people above another is discrimination

Is that necessarily a bad thing?
If a particular demographic is particularly disadvantaged, dedicating resources to helping them could be considered discriminatory, but the net gain would be equal opportunity.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Without going on my anti VA rant, they kind of are. Focusing on group of people above another is discrimination

Is that necessarily a bad thing?
If a particular demographic is particularly disadvantaged, dedicating resources to helping them could be considered discriminatory, but the net gain would be equal opportunity.

Meh, like I said earlier, I wouldn't want a job because I'm trans

[Alvecia]

Is that necessarily a bad thing?
If a particular demographic is particularly disadvantaged, dedicating resources to helping them could be considered discriminatory, but the net gain would be equal opportunity.

Meh, like I said earlier, I wouldn't want a job because I'm trans

I don't think someone should be given a job "just because" bit I'm not at all adverse to bringing to companies attention people who would otherwise be completely passed over through no fault of their own.
I wouldn't disagree with proportional representation where it matters either.

I'm also not sure if this even is discrimination. Discrimination definitionally is both unjust and prejudiced. I'm not convinced this fits the bill.

[Dejanic]

It does sound slightly racist actually, and possibly illegal. You have to remember we don't have affirmative action enshrined into our laws or systems here in Britain, and discrimination based on race is illegal on all counts, so not allowing members of "the white race" to apply for a job does sound pretty dodgy, regardless of the positive intentions of the employer.

So whilst I don't really care about the discrimination part (I understand why they're not allowing "Whites" to apply for this job) I do question the legality of it all.

[Alvecia]

It does sound slightly racist actually, and possibly illegal. You have to remember we don't have affirmative action enshrined into our laws or systems here in Britain, and discrimination based on race is illegal on all counts, so not allowing members of "the white race" to apply for a job does sound pretty dodgy, regardless of the positive intentions of the employer.

So whilst I don't really care about the discrimination part (I understand why they're not allowing "Whites" to apply for this job) I do question the legality of it all.

It's a curious one. By the looks of it the disciminatory policy is put in place by what appears to be a recruitment agency of sorts who happen to have, or have been given some job listings for the BBC.
Two important questions would be, were these particular jobs open to anyone else via other recruitment agencies? And was this organisation given the jobs by the BBC, or did the BBC publicly list them, and they just picked them up?

[Ostroeuropa]

The BBC is pretty racist and sexist against whites and men, but this isn't necessarily an example of that.

[Vistulange]

The BBC is pretty racist and sexist against whites and men

I think that a lot of people would appreciate some citations and sources for that claim, Ostro.

[Icthyia]

Oh my, poor white people. How will white people ~ever~ succeed in a British journalism industry that is 94% white? Quelle horreur!

Affirmative action/positive discrimination is simply bringing disadvantaged groups to a level playing field.

(Image)

Such a stupid photo.

Positive racism has continuously and repeatedly failed to bring anyone to a higher level ad only given people like Trump support.

Why are black college rates so poor, when affirmative action has been around for 30+ years? Well I'm not racist, so I don't think it's intrinsic, but affirmative actions attempts to take unquantifiable problem and then create a quantified solution based on nothing other than feel-good sentimentality. It never focuses on the core issues - primary education, social mobility, income etc. that have kept minorities in generational poverty.

[Alvecia]

Oh my, poor white people. How will white people ~ever~ succeed in a British journalism industry that is 94% white? Quelle horreur!

Affirmative action/positive discrimination is simply bringing disadvantaged groups to a level playing field.

(Image)

Such a stupid photo.

Positive racism has continuously and repeatedly failed to bring anyone to a higher level ad only given people like Trump support.

Why are black college rates so poor, when affirmative action has been around for 30+ years? Well I'm not racist, so I don't think it's intrinsic, but affirmative actions attempts to take unquantifiable problem and then create a quantified solution based on nothing other than feel-good sentimentality. It never focuses on the core issues - primary education, social mobility, income etc. that have kept minorities in generational poverty.

Equal opportunity should be more important than equal representation imo.

[Gauthier]

Such a stupid photo.

Positive racism has continuously and repeatedly failed to bring anyone to a higher level ad only given people like Trump support.

Why are black college rates so poor, when affirmative action has been around for 30+ years? Well I'm not racist, so I don't think it's intrinsic, but affirmative actions attempts to take unquantifiable problem and then create a quantified solution based on nothing other than feel-good sentimentality. It never focuses on the core issues - primary education, social mobility, income etc. that have kept minorities in generational poverty.

Equal opportunity should be more important than equal representation imo.

Because there's absolutely nothing patronizing about having an internship for a British group created to help minorities seek employment be filled by a white rather than a minority.

[Alvecia]

Equal opportunity should be more important than equal representation imo.

Because there's absolutely nothing patronizing about having an internship for a British group created to help minorities seek employment be filled by a white rather than a minority.

I'm not quite sure how your comment follows on from mine. Could you clarify?

[Gauthier]

Because there's absolutely nothing patronizing about having an internship for a British group created to help minorities seek employment be filled by a white rather than a minority.

I'm not quite sure how your comment follows on from mine. Could you clarify?

Equal opportunity in practice is like expecting two teams to play football where only one knows all the rules and calling it fair.

[Alvecia]

I'm not quite sure how your comment follows on from mine. Could you clarify?

Equal opportunity in practice is like expecting two teams to play football where only one knows all the rules and calling it fair.

If both teams have been given equal opportunity to learn the rules, then one side not knowing them is on them.

[Braecland]

Yeah, seems pretty clear cut. Directly denying people opportunities because of the colour of their skin. I thought we moved passed all this?

[Arumdaum]

Equal opportunity in practice is like expecting two teams to play football where only one knows all the rules and calling it fair.

If both teams have been given equal opportunity to learn the rules, then one side not knowing them is on them.

Do you think there is equal opportunity between white people and PoC?

If there is equal opportunity - then why isn't there a similar level of representation? Are non-white people just lazier? Are minorities all across the globe just somehow coincidentally interested in occupations which are less valued by their societies?

[Alvecia]

If both teams have been given equal opportunity to learn the rules, then one side not knowing them is on them.

Do you think there is equal opportunity between white people and PoC?

If there is equal opportunity - then why isn't there a similar level of representation? Are non-white people just lazier? Are minorities all across the globe just somehow coincidentally interested in occupations which are less valued by their societies?

I don't know enough to say for certain, would I would imagine there is not equal opportunity, no.

Edit: Also representation would ideally be relative to the population.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

The program referred to in the OP is one specifically designed for minority students. There are a variety of other programs that are open to all, I believe.

And don't even say "well why don't whites get their own????" Just. Don't.

[Arumdaum]

Do you think there is equal opportunity between white people and PoC?

If there is equal opportunity - then why isn't there a similar level of representation? Are non-white people just lazier? Are minorities all across the globe just somehow coincidentally interested in occupations which are less valued by their societies?

I don't know enough to say for certain, would I would imagine there is not equal opportunity, no.

Edit: Also representation would ideally be relative to the population.

huh

[Stormopolis]

The program referred to in the OP is one specifically designed for minority students. There are a variety of other programs that are open to all, I believe.

And don't even say "well why don't whites get their own????" Just. Don't.

It's a valid point.

A blacks-only university? Awesome! All the power to them!
A whites-only university? YOU RACIST BASTARDS! WHAT DO YOU THINK THIS IS? APARTHEID SOUTH AFRICA?

If you're REALLY for a level playing field, you'll stop discriminating positively. Because by positively discriminating you're still discriminating. Or isn't that bad because it's against whites. Against who, as it is known, can be no racism because they have everything and we have nothing as non-whites.

[Alvecia]

The program referred to in the OP is one specifically designed for minority students. There are a variety of other programs that are open to all, I believe.

And don't even say "well why don't whites get their own????" Just. Don't.

It's a valid point.

A blacks-only university? Awesome! All the power to them!
A whites-only university? YOU RACIST BASTARDS! WHAT DO YOU THINK THIS IS? APARTHEID SOUTH AFRICA?

If you're REALLY for a level playing field, you'll stop discriminating positively. Because by positively discriminating you're still discriminating. Or isn't that bad because it's against whites. Against who, as it is known, can be no racism because they have everything and we have nothing as non-whites.

You're assuming that all peoples start from even ground. If blacks are disproportionately hindered or discriminated against when, for example, looking for jobs, then an organisation to help them would effectively cancel out the discrimination leaving a net discrimination output of 0.

Of course, that's not how it works in real life, but it's the intention.

[The balkens]

It's a valid point.

A blacks-only university? Awesome! All the power to them!
A whites-only university? YOU RACIST BASTARDS! WHAT DO YOU THINK THIS IS? APARTHEID SOUTH AFRICA?

If you're REALLY for a level playing field, you'll stop discriminating positively. Because by positively discriminating you're still discriminating. Or isn't that bad because it's against whites. Against who, as it is known, can be no racism because they have everything and we have nothing as non-whites.

You're assuming that all peoples start from even ground. If blacks are disproportionately hindered or discriminated against when, for example, looking for jobs, then an organisation to help them would effectively cancel out the discrimination leaving a net discrimination output of 0.

Of course, that's not how it works in real life, but it's the intention.

But its good for diversity, so its fine.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

This is discrimination, black and white (to use perhaps an inappropriate turn of phrase).

"Positive" discrimination is still discrimination, however its perpetrators attempt to justify it.

*sighs*

Okay. Look at it this way: That's like a white person climbing up and stomping all over a black person, just beating him to absolute shit, in order to reach a ledge above. Then, once the white person is comfortably sitting, immobile, on top of this ledge, the black person asks if maybe he could get some help climbing up there. The white person, however, maintains this would be unfair - he should climb up the ledge on his own! And after all, the white guy isn't actively forcing his black associate to stay below the ledge. Helping him up would be just as wrong!

Did that come out coherently?

[The balkens]

This is discrimination, black and white (to use perhaps an inappropriate turn of phrase).

"Positive" discrimination is still discrimination, however its perpetrators attempt to justify it.

*sighs*

Okay. Look at it this way: That's like a white person climbing up and stomping all over a black person, just beating him to absolute shit, in order to reach a ledge above. Then, once the white person is comfortably sitting, immobile, on top of this ledge, the black person asks if maybe he could get some help climbing up there. The white person, however, maintains this would be unfair - he should climb up the ledge on his own! And after all, the white guy isn't actively forcing his black associate to stay below the ledge. Helping him up would be just as wrong!

Did that come out coherently?

Question, how did the black guy get there in the first place?