BBC Discrimination Against White People?

[Alvecia]

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[Frank Zipper]

I sometimes wonder which of the posters here are paid political lobbyists or marketing people.

[Atlanticatia]

Oh my, poor white people. How will white people ~ever~ succeed in a British journalism industry that is 94% white? Quelle horreur!

Affirmative action/positive discrimination is simply bringing disadvantaged groups to a level playing field.

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Don't you also unironically believe it's impossible to be racist to white people?

Yeah, you'll forgive me if I'm gonna put your opinion straight into the circular file.

White people don't experience racism. White people can experience prejudice and discrimination, yes, but 'reverse racism' isn't a thing. Only people of colour experience racism.

Both a white and a black person can get called a racial slur. Yet when a white person is called a racial slur, it is not emblematic of institutional racism nor is the slur backed by power. So it is an individual act of prejudice, and it doesn't fit with the sociological concept of racism.

[Risottia]

White people don't experience racism. White people can experience prejudice and discrimination, yes, but 'reverse racism' isn't a thing. Only people of colour experience racism.
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This is bullshit.

Italians have been targeted by racism in America and France. Jews have been targeted by racism throughout Europe. Slavs, Albanians and Romanians are other likely targets of racism throughout Western Europe.

Of course, most white Britons aren't likely to be target of racism in Britain, but sweeping generalisations are, as usual, quite inane.

[Aulerania]

White people don't experience racism. White people can experience prejudice and discrimination, yes, but 'reverse racism' isn't a thing. Only people of colour experience racism.
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This is bullshit.

Italians have been targeted by racism in America and France. Jews have been targeted by racism throughout Europe. Slavs, Albanians and Romanians are other likely targets of racism throughout Western Europe.

Of course, most white Britons aren't likely to be target of racism in Britain, but sweeping generalisations are, as usual, quite inane.

Racism by who? Pretty much all your examples are discrimination or prejudice, not racism.
And that application thing was not racist to whites. That's complete crap.

[HMS Vanguard]

Don't you also unironically believe it's impossible to be racist to white people?

Yeah, you'll forgive me if I'm gonna put your opinion straight into the circular file.

White people don't experience racism. White people can experience prejudice and discrimination, yes, but 'reverse racism' isn't a thing. Only people of colour experience racism.

Both a white and a black person can get called a racial slur. Yet when a white person is called a racial slur, it is not emblematic of institutional racism nor is the slur backed by power. So it is an individual act of prejudice, and it doesn't fit with the sociological concept of racism.

Rubbish - it is backed by the power of the state, which generally declines to enforce laws against racism in such cases. Your ideas would have made a lot of sense in 1850.

[Alvecia]

This is bullshit.

Italians have been targeted by racism in America and France. Jews have been targeted by racism throughout Europe. Slavs, Albanians and Romanians are other likely targets of racism throughout Western Europe.

Of course, most white Britons aren't likely to be target of racism in Britain, but sweeping generalisations are, as usual, quite inane.

Racism by who? Pretty much all your examples are discrimination or prejudice, not racism.
And that application thing was not racist to whites. That's complete crap.

Definitionally from what I can see, discrimination against an ethnicity is racist.

[Hirota]

Of course, most white Britons aren't likely to be target of racism in Britain, but sweeping generalisations are, as usual, quite inane.

The Welsh, Scottish, Irishand Englishare all the targets of racism at one time or another.

Regressive types like Atlanticatia would rather pretend these truths don't exist, because they conflict with their silly deluded little narrative.

[Frank Zipper]

Time to abandon racism as a term, and replace it simply with prejudice. Otherwise it implies the existence of more than one current human race. It also neatly gets rid of the 'you can't be racist against white people' idea.

[Aulerania]

Racism by who? Pretty much all your examples are discrimination or prejudice, not racism.
And that application thing was not racist to whites. That's complete crap.

Definitionally from what I can see, discrimination against an ethnicity is racist.

But if it's white against white, it can't be racist. Whites discriminating against whites are not doing it for racial reasons, but for beliefs, sexuality, nationality etc. and nationality is not race for some who don't know.

[Arumdaum]

Definitionally from what I can see, discrimination against an ethnicity is racist.

But if it's white against white, it can't be racist. Whites discriminating against whites are not doing it for racial reasons, but for beliefs, sexuality, nationality etc. and nationality is not race for some who don't know.

Even with regards to something like British people discriminating against French people, they'd do being it because they were French, not because they were white.

It should also be pointed out though that in the past, many ethnic groups we see today as "white" were not considered to be white. Race, as a social construct, is fluid and subject to change; it also depends on the person, location, and time period.

[Arumdaum]

White people don't experience racism. White people can experience prejudice and discrimination, yes, but 'reverse racism' isn't a thing. Only people of colour experience racism.
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This is bullshit.

Italians have been targeted by racism in America and France. Jews have been targeted by racism throughout Europe. Slavs, Albanians and Romanians are other likely targets of racism throughout Western Europe.

Of course, most white Britons aren't likely to be target of racism in Britain, but sweeping generalisations are, as usual, quite inane.

Were they discriminated against for being white?

[Vistulange]

Yeah, there's a difference between "white" and "Irish/Welsh/Scottish/Italian". I am as white as the Queen's buttocks, but I'd probably be discriminated against, in some degree, in most of Europe on basis of me being a Turk. That does not mean said societies are racist against whites, only against Turks.

Which is just as bad, mind you, but not racism against whites.

[Val Halla]

This just seems like another attempt by the right to fabricate outrage when there's nothing to be mad about.

I thought it was the right who complained about so called "outrage culture"

[Vistulange]

This just seems like another attempt by the right to fabricate outrage when there's nothing to be mad about.

I thought it was the right who complained about so called "outrage culture"

The right is mostly an entire ocean of hypocrisy and circlejerking.

[Alvecia]

Definitionally from what I can see, discrimination against an ethnicity is racist.

But if it's white against white, it can't be racist. Whites discriminating against whites are not doing it for racial reasons, but for beliefs, sexuality, nationality etc. and nationality is not race for some who don't know.

Irrelevant. Race and ethnicity are not limited to skin colour.
Racism is not limited to skin colour.
Skin colour is just one factor.

[Atlanticatia]

Of course, most white Britons aren't likely to be target of racism in Britain, but sweeping generalisations are, as usual, quite inane.

The Welsh, Scottish, Irishand Englishare all the targets of racism at one time or another.

Regressive types like Atlanticatia would rather pretend these truths don't exist, because they conflict with their silly deluded little narrative.

Race is a social construct. We know this, because at different times in history, different groups of people are considered 'white'. A social construct changes over time. There is a lot more nuance to the subject of racism and white privilege that I can't fit in a single post.

[Hirota]

There is a lot more nuance to the subject of racism and white privilege that I can't fit in a single post.

You mean it's too much effort.

Race is a social construct.

Fine, so why use these artificial constructs to justify discrimination? If Rachel Dolezal was to decide to apply for this internship, would she be permitted because she said she is "black"?

If this internship is really about advancing the opportunities of disadvantaged individuals, then that should be based upon a far broader range of demographics than skin colour. Why shouldn't poor white males from disadvantaged areas such as the North East have the same opportunities?

I get the idea of excluding those who could be perceived as being in an advantageous situation - and I appreciate that almost universally tends to be "white" people in the UK. But it's such a tiny minority (the 1% if you will) that it seems incredibly stupid to exclude the 99% of "white" people who are not in an advantageous situation.

To summarise - why should a wealthy, middle class black or asian decent male have the chance to apply for a job that a white poor female is not?

[Risottia]

This is bullshit.

Italians have been targeted by racism in America and France. Jews have been targeted by racism throughout Europe. Slavs, Albanians and Romanians are other likely targets of racism throughout Western Europe.

Of course, most white Britons aren't likely to be target of racism in Britain, but sweeping generalisations are, as usual, quite inane.

Racism by who? Pretty much all your examples are discrimination or prejudice, not racism.
And that application thing was not racist to whites. That's complete crap.

Italians in America weren't considered to belong to the "white race", just saying.
Slavs and Jews were considered by the Nazis and the Fascists to be an inferior race.
Pogroms were organised against Italians in Southern France and in America.
Albanians and Romanians are being systematically lumped by Western European racists and xenophobes with Roma one day and with Slavs the next as foreigner races that should be ethnically cleansed at the very least.

Also, find exactly where I wrote that the application was "racist to whites" or admit that if someone here is spouting crap, that's you.

[HMS Vanguard]

Racism by who? Pretty much all your examples are discrimination or prejudice, not racism.
And that application thing was not racist to whites. That's complete crap.

Italians in America weren't considered to belong to the "white race", just saying.

Rubbish. It was impossible for non-whites to naturalise as US citizens until 1943. There were millions of Italians naturalised before 1943.

[Arumdaum]

Italians in America weren't considered to belong to the "white race", just saying.

Rubbish. It was impossible for non-whites to naturalise as US citizens until 1943. There were millions of Italians naturalised before 1943.

There's a difference between being categorized by the US government as white and what American society in general perceives to be "white."

[Radiatia]

This is discrimination, black and white (to use perhaps an inappropriate turn of phrase).

"Positive" discrimination is still discrimination, however its perpetrators attempt to justify it.

[Radiatia]

I sometimes wonder which of the posters here are paid political lobbyists or marketing people.

Funnily enough, I happen to work as a political consultant in real life, but NSG is not something I'm going to use to push a message or an agenda, other than my own personal views - a bunch of anonymous 15 year olds from the other side of the world are hardly worth wasting time or money over...

[HMS Vanguard]

Rubbish. It was impossible for non-whites to naturalise as US citizens until 1943. There were millions of Italians naturalised before 1943.

There's a difference between being categorized by the US government as white and what American society in general perceives to be "white."

The position of the US Courts was that "White" for naturalisation purposes was to be interpreted according to common usage:

"2. "Free white persons," as used in that section, are words of common speech, to be interpreted in accordance with the understanding of the common man, synonymous with the word "Caucasian" only as that word is popularly understood."

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federa ... /case.html

more:

"The immigration of that day was almost exclusively from the British Isles and Northwestern Europe, whence they and their forebears had come. When they extended the privilege of American citizenship to "any alien being a free white person," it was these immigrants -- bone of their bone and flesh of their flesh -- and their kind whom they must have had affirmatively in mind. The succeeding years brought immigrants from Eastern, Southern and Middle Europe, among them the Slavs and the dark-eyed, swarthy people of Alpine and Mediterranean stock, and these were received as unquestionably akin to those already here and readily amalgamated with them. It was the descendants of these, and other immigrants of like origin, who constituted the white population of the country when § 2169, reenacting the naturalization test of 1790, was adopted, and, there is no reason to doubt, with like intent and meaning."

" It is a matter of familiar observation and knowledge that the physical group characteristics of the Hindus render them readily distinguishable from the various groups of persons in this country commonly recognized as white. The children of English, French, German, Italian, Scandinavian, and other European parentage quickly merge into the mass of our population and lose the distinctive hallmarks of their European origin."

[Ifreann]

Among other things I like about this thread is how the OP has spent nine pages insisting that he doesn't have an opinion.