Knife attack in Munich, 1 dead - Islamism or not?

[Alvecia]

Not really. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously bad. Memory is generally faulty, false memories are a thing, and it's easy for you to mishear or mis-see something due to optical or auditory illusions.
Combine that with these days it almost expected that anyone on a killing spree will shout Ahallu Akbar.
Also, how good was the questioning? Did they ask these people "In your own words what happened?". Did they ask them "Person A said this happened, can you confirm?". How they were interviewed matter a whole lot.

Yes, those are usually issues with singular eyewitness accounts. Not so much when you've got multiple people, who had no connection or ability to share information to still say many of the same things that others have.

I don't necessarily disagree. But I'd also ask is that actually the case here.

[Purple Robed Empire]

It one thing if it's one persons claim. It's another of several people are describing very similar events from multiple angles and viewpoints.

Not really. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously bad. Memory is generally faulty, false memories are a thing, and it's easy for you to mishear or mis-see something due to optical or auditory illusions.
Combine that with these days it almost expected that anyone on a killing spree will shout Ahallu Akbar.
Also, how good was the questioning? Did they ask these people "In your own words what happened?". Did they ask them "Person A said this happened, can you confirm?". How they were interviewed matter a whole lot.

What would you accept as evidence then? An Al Qaeda party card? The fact that it is almost expected shows how common it is. Most likely he said it and was an Islamist.

[Alvecia]

Not really. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously bad. Memory is generally faulty, false memories are a thing, and it's easy for you to mishear or mis-see something due to optical or auditory illusions.
Combine that with these days it almost expected that anyone on a killing spree will shout Ahallu Akbar.
Also, how good was the questioning? Did they ask these people "In your own words what happened?". Did they ask them "Person A said this happened, can you confirm?". How they were interviewed matter a whole lot.

What would you accept as evidence then? An Al Qaeda party card? The fact that it is almost expected shows how common it is. Most likely he said it and was an Islamist.

That'd be pretty good evidence to be fair.

Something something assume something u and me

[Insaeldor]

Not really. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously bad. Memory is generally faulty, false memories are a thing, and it's easy for you to mishear or mis-see something due to optical or auditory illusions.
Combine that with these days it almost expected that anyone on a killing spree will shout Ahallu Akbar.
Also, how good was the questioning? Did they ask these people "In your own words what happened?". Did they ask them "Person A said this happened, can you confirm?". How they were interviewed matter a whole lot.

What would you accept as evidence then? An Al Qaeda party card? The fact that it is almost expected shows how common it is. Most likely he said it and was an Islamist.

Would the New York Times be enough?

[Alvecia]

What would you accept as evidence then? An Al Qaeda party card? The fact that it is almost expected shows how common it is. Most likely he said it and was an Islamist.

Would the New York Times be enough?

Seems fairly cut and dried.

[Gauthier]

Would the New York Times be enough?

Seems fairly cut and dried.

BERLIN — A 27-year-old German killed one man and injured three others with a knife while shouting “Allahu akbar” in a suburb of Munich early Tuesday, but hours later, after questioning him, the authorities said that he had no known links to Islamic extremism and that they believed he was mentally disturbed.

He said it but authorities figure he's a nutcase and not some calculating terrorist.

[Alvecia]

Seems fairly cut and dried.

BERLIN — A 27-year-old German killed one man and injured three others with a knife while shouting “Allahu akbar” in a suburb of Munich early Tuesday, but hours later, after questioning him, the authorities said that he had no known links to Islamic extremism and that they believed he was mentally disturbed.

He said it but authorities figure he's a nutcase and not some calculating terrorist.

That's what I meant, just to clarify.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Not really. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously bad. Memory is generally faulty, false memories are a thing, and it's easy for you to mishear or mis-see something due to optical or auditory illusions.
Combine that with these days it almost expected that anyone on a killing spree will shout Ahallu Akbar.
Also, how good was the questioning? Did they ask these people "In your own words what happened?". Did they ask them "Person A said this happened, can you confirm?". How they were interviewed matter a whole lot.

What would you accept as evidence then? An Al Qaeda party card? The fact that it is almost expected shows how common it is. Most likely he said it and was an Islamist.

Well, that's circular reasoning if ever I saw it. Because Islamic terrorism happens often, we can assume that every new attack is performed by Islamic terrorists. That's intellectually honest, wouldn't you agree?

[Insaeldor]

Seems fairly cut and dried.

BERLIN — A 27-year-old German killed one man and injured three others with a knife while shouting “Allahu akbar” in a suburb of Munich early Tuesday, but hours later, after questioning him, the authorities said that he had no known links to Islamic extremism and that they believed he was mentally disturbed.

He said it but authorities figure he's a nutcase and not some calculating terrorist.

Obviously, these groups don't target rational people for indoctrination, they're not going to waste time on sane rational people. Frustrated, directionless, isolated, and mentally diffident people are all easy subjects to indoctrination. It's the same tactics cults use to gather people to their way and it's no different than with the cult that is Radical Jihadism.

[Alvecia]

He said it but authorities figure he's a nutcase and not some calculating terrorist.

Obviously, these groups don't target rational people for indoctrination, they're not going to waste time on sane rational people. Frustrated, directionless, isolated, and mentally diffident people are all easy subjects to indoctrination. It's the same tactics cults use to gather people to their way and it's no different than with the cult that is Radical Jihadism.

Not saying you're wrong, but in this case it doesn't look like they targeted him at all.

[Jamzmania]

Seems fairly cut and dried.

BERLIN — A 27-year-old German killed one man and injured three others with a knife while shouting “Allahu akbar” in a suburb of Munich early Tuesday, but hours later, after questioning him, the authorities said that he had no known links to Islamic extremism and that they believed he was mentally disturbed.

He said it but authorities figure he's a nutcase and not some calculating terrorist.

These are the same German authorities that said nothing happened in Cologne on New Year's?

[Alvecia]

He said it but authorities figure he's a nutcase and not some calculating terrorist.

These are the same German authorities that said nothing happened in Cologne on New Year's?

[Gauthier]

These are the same German authorities that said nothing happened in Cologne on New Year's?

Remember folks, every single crime in Germany is an Islamic terror attack!

[Alvecia]

Remember folks, every single crime in Germany is an Islamic terror attack!

And the police are trying to cover it all up!

[Purple Robed Empire]

What would you accept as evidence then? An Al Qaeda party card? The fact that it is almost expected shows how common it is. Most likely he said it and was an Islamist.

Would the New York Times be enough?

Which said he shouted "Allah Akbar", the only question is that of motive and the NYT is politically correct.

[Gauthier]

Would the New York Times be enough?

Which said he shouted "Allah Akbar", the only question is that of motive and the NYT is politically correct.

The lead investigator for the Bavarian state police, Lothar Köhler, told reporters on Tuesday afternoon that after initial questioning of the suspect, whom the authorities did not identify, officials had no “compelling evidence or plausible conclusions” as to a motive.

“We have no indication that he had any contact to Islamic or Salafist groups, individuals or organizations,” Mr. Köhler said. The investigator confirmed that witnesses had heard the attacker shouting “Allahu akbar” — “God is great” — and, in German, “You infidels must die,” but as the context emerged, the attack seemed less and less likely to be motivated by extremism.

POLITICAL CORRECTNESS!! DAMN SJWs!!

[Alvecia]

Would the New York Times be enough?

Which said he allegedly shouted "Allah Akbar", the only question is that of motive and the NYT is politically correct.

ftfy

[Wallenburg]

My sympathies for the victims and their families. My disgust toward the murderer.

[Jamzmania]

Remember folks, every single crime in Germany is an Islamic terror attack!

And the police are trying to cover it all up!

Considering that German police have indeed tried to cover up or otherwise downplay crimes by Muslims in the past and the guy was reportedly shouting Allahu Akbar...

I'm still keeping the option open.

[Insaeldor]

Obviously, these groups don't target rational people for indoctrination, they're not going to waste time on sane rational people. Frustrated, directionless, isolated, and mentally diffident people are all easy subjects to indoctrination. It's the same tactics cults use to gather people to their way and it's no different than with the cult that is Radical Jihadism.

Not saying you're wrong, but in this case it doesn't look like they targeted him at all.

If I can clarify, this is what their propaganda in general targets. Their propaganda is aimed at targeting these sort of people and to get them to do what they want by given a message of meaning and purpose something that a lot of people like this man probably lacked.obviously this isn't universal but it's a pretty common trend especially in Europe where it targets Muslims more directly. Here in the states it seems to be a lot more of a focus on recent converts who are more pliable for this sorta stuff like the Michael Zehaf-Bibeau who was a habitual offender and eventually committed an act of terror with the Parliament Hill Shooting.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

And the police are trying to cover it all up!

Considering that German police have indeed tried to cover up or otherwise downplay crimes by Muslims in the past and the guy was reportedly shouting Allahu Akbar...

I'm still keeping the option open.

I take it you are a fervent follower of German news? Or are you basing your assumptions off of one or two instances? In a nation of 80 million people?

[Gauthier]

Considering that German police have indeed tried to cover up or otherwise downplay crimes by Muslims in the past and the guy was reportedly shouting Allahu Akbar...

I'm still keeping the option open.

I take it you are a fervent follower of German news? Or are you basing your assumptions off of one or two instances? In a nation of 80 million people?

Shoplifting? Really an Islamic terror attack.
Jaywalking? Really an Islamic terror attack.
Burglary? Really an Islamic terror attack.
Solicitation? Really an Islamic terror attack.
Misdemeanor? Really an Islamic terror attack.

[Wallenburg]

And the police are trying to cover it all up!

Considering that German police have indeed tried to cover up or otherwise downplay crimes by Muslims in the past and the guy was reportedly shouting Allahu Akbar...

I'm still keeping the option open.

Are you seriously saying that every crime in Germany is Islamic terrorism?

[Alvecia]

Not saying you're wrong, but in this case it doesn't look like they targeted him at all.

If I can clarify, this is what their propaganda in general targets. Their propaganda is aimed at targeting these sort of people and to get them to do what they want by given a message of meaning and purpose something that a lot of people like this man probably lacked.obviously this isn't universal but it's a pretty common trend especially in Europe where it targets Muslims more directly. Here in the states it seems to be a lot more of a focus on recent converts who are more pliable for this sorta stuff like the Michael Zehaf-Bibeau who was a habitual offender and eventually committed an act of terror with the Parliament Hill Shooting.

Well to be fair again, that's not just limited to Islam. All religions target the people that are at their most vunerable and impressionable. They're simply following the handbook.

[Stormopolis]

IRRC there are a number of eye witnesses.

Not the most reliable source.

You would make a terrible policeman.