Knife attack in Munich, 1 dead - Islamism or not?

[Jolthig]

Oh boy...History better not repeat itself. We don't want it here in America and we especially don't want it in Gemany.

[Braecland]

No it's not, you're right but why does everyone feel the need to compare another religion's text instead of condemning it? It doesn't make it okay if something else is bad too.

No, but it does make the selective condemning of one religion over another hypocritical. As an atheist, I decry all religion. However, as a humanist, I think that oppressing one religious group over another is also hypocritical, and hence, I support muslims.

What, you think we should oppress all religious groups equally? It's a pity you don't use quantifiable evidence to support your "all religions are the same" attitude. If one religion is worse than another, how is condemning it more hypocritical? So you support muslims, great, I'll one-up you, I support good people, Muslim, Christian, Atheist or otherwise.

[Wisconsia]

Germany has suffered an islamic period.

Adolf Hussein Hitler

[Keshokif]

No, but it does make the selective condemning of one religion over another hypocritical. As an atheist, I decry all religion. However, as a humanist, I think that oppressing one religious group over another is also hypocritical, and hence, I support muslims.

What, you think we should oppress all religious groups equally?

This time, I think you misread me. I don't thin we should oppress any of them, but I do think that they're all wrong and should be treated with the same amount of skepticism.

It's a pity you don't use quantifiable evidence to support your "all religions are the same" attitude.

Do you have any evidence that they are not? Given all I have said about Islam being radicalised by the West and probably about to get over it's phase at any point and all?

If one religion is worse than another, how is condemning it more hypocritical?

One of these quotes is not like the other.
(It's not worse...)

So you support muslims, great, I'll one-up you, I support good people, Muslim, Christian, Atheist or otherwise.

Excellent. Supporting good people is great. I do the same - not sure why you felt it was a 'one up'.

[Kubumba Tribe]

What, you think we should oppress all religious groups equally?

This time, I think you misread me. I don't thin we should oppress any of them, but I do think that they're all wrong and should be treated with the same amount of skepticism.

It's a pity you don't use quantifiable evidence to support your "all religions are the same" attitude.

Do you have any evidence that they are not? Given all I have said about Islam being radicalised by the West and probably about to get over it's phase at any point and all?

If one religion is worse than another, how is condemning it more hypocritical?

One of these quotes is not like the other.
(It's not worse...)

So you support muslims, great, I'll one-up you, I support good people, Muslim, Christian, Atheist or otherwise.

Excellent. Supporting good people is great. I do the same - not sure why you felt it was a 'one up'.

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[Braecland]

What, you think we should oppress all religious groups equally?

This time, I think you misread me. I don't thin we should oppress any of them, but I do think that they're all wrong and should be treated with the same amount of skepticism.

It's a pity you don't use quantifiable evidence to support your "all religions are the same" attitude.

Do you have any evidence that they are not? Given all I have said about Islam being radicalised by the West and probably about to get over it's phase at any point and all?

If one religion is worse than another, how is condemning it more hypocritical?

One of these quotes is not like the other.
(It's not worse...)

So you support muslims, great, I'll one-up you, I support good people, Muslim, Christian, Atheist or otherwise.

Excellent. Supporting good people is great. I do the same - not sure why you felt it was a 'one up'.

Skeptisism yes, but when they are misbehaving, they require different amounts of criticism proportionate to the negativity the create.

All religions are NOT the same, do I really need to explain this to you? A thousand years ago, Christianity and Islam were THE problem religions, now it's just Islam.

My one-up was supporting people regardless of their beliefs, not because of them.

Sorry I didn't properly stager the quotes, I'm on my new phone and I haven't quite figured it out yet.

Edit: granted, I did misread the frist point, I know you don't really mean it

[Kubumba Tribe]

This time, I think you misread me. I don't thin we should oppress any of them, but I do think that they're all wrong and should be treated with the same amount of skepticism.


Do you have any evidence that they are not? Given all I have said about Islam being radicalised by the West and probably about to get over it's phase at any point and all?


One of these quotes is not like the other.
(It's not worse...)


Excellent. Supporting good people is great. I do the same - not sure why you felt it was a 'one up'.

Skeptisism yes, but when they are misbehaving, they require different amounts of criticism proportionate to the negativity the create.

All religions are NOT the same, do I really need to explain this to you? A thousand years ago, Christianity and Islam were THE problem religions, now it's just Islam.

My one-up was supporting people regardless of their beliefs, not because of them.

Sorry I didn't properly stager the quotes, I'm on my new phone and I haven't quite figured it out yet.

Edit: granted, I did misread the frist point, I know you don't really mean it

Why do people jump on a religion and blame it on the religion when it's actually the adherents that do the harm?

[Kubumba Tribe]

Skeptisism yes, but when they are misbehaving, they require different amounts of criticism proportionate to the negativity the create.

All religions are NOT the same, do I really need to explain this to you? A thousand years ago, Christianity and Islam were THE problem religions, now it's just Islam.

My one-up was supporting people regardless of their beliefs, not because of them.

Sorry I didn't properly stager the quotes, I'm on my new phone and I haven't quite figured it out yet.

Edit: granted, I did misread the frist point, I know you don't really mean it

Why do people jump on a religion and blame it on the religion when it's actually the adherents that do the harm?

And those who do something outside the religion aren't a part of that religion anyway.

[Purple Robed Empire]

You...basically just did.

I said that my ancestors were forced to speak it, not that it was sinful in any way.

When they were abducted by another African tribe and sold into slavery there (and most slaves were, Africans sold off their excess slaves) they had to learn that language. Somehow you are under the delusion that White people invented slavery or were the only people who practiced it. People who have actually read history know that it was a world wide institution and that Modern Abolitionism was started in the Anglican Church (look it up if you don't believe me), and Moslems were among the LAST to legally ban it.

You also seem to be under the delusion there was one African culture or language, there were hundreds. It is like when people talk about "Native American Culture". There was never a "Native American Culture" but "Native American Cultures". Cherokee and Navaho and Sioux cultures were as different as English, Romanian and Russian. Or for that matter Chinese, Indian and Persian.

[Gauthier]

Skeptisism yes, but when they are misbehaving, they require different amounts of criticism proportionate to the negativity the create.

All religions are NOT the same, do I really need to explain this to you? A thousand years ago, Christianity and Islam were THE problem religions, now it's just Islam.

My one-up was supporting people regardless of their beliefs, not because of them.

Sorry I didn't properly stager the quotes, I'm on my new phone and I haven't quite figured it out yet.

Edit: granted, I did misread the frist point, I know you don't really mean it

Why do people jump on a religion and blame it on the religion when it's actually the adherents that do the harm?

When a majority of the believers are dark-skinned it's much easier to say the religion is the root cause. How many people openly blame a religion for abortion clinic attacks?

[Braecland]

Why do people jump on a religion and blame it on the religion when it's actually the adherents that do the harm?

When a majority of the believers are dark-skinned it's much easier to say the religion is the root cause. How many people openly blame a religion for abortion clinic attacks?

Don't be a coward, call me out.

If you think I'm racist, call me out.

[Genivaria]

3 injured 1 dead?
Sounds like Tuesday in Texas.

Why is this newsworthy?

[Purple Robed Empire]

I'd rather speak very little of my ancestral language (if only I knew what it) or someone else's than use a language that was forced upon my ancestors.

How do you know that wasn't forced upon them? Perhaps they were a separate tribe or kingdom that was conquered and became part of a different one.

Most likely they were. The most likely scenario is that his tribe went to war with another and his ancestor was captured by another Black African tribe and sold to Europeans as that is what is mostly happened. It is also possible that his ancestor who was captured was worked by other Africans and it was his descendants that were sold or he could have been a criminal or debtor and sold.

[New Benian Republic]

How do you know that wasn't forced upon them? Perhaps they were a separate tribe or kingdom that was conquered and became part of a different one.

Most likely they were. The most likely scenario is that his tribe went to war with another and his ancestor was captured by another Black African tribe and sold to Europeans as that is what is mostly happened. It is also possible that his ancestor who was captured was worked by other Africans and it was his descendants that were sold or he could have been a criminal or debtor and sold.

Or the more unlikely scenario that his ancestor walked up and volunteered for slavery.

[Vassenor]

Why do people jump on a religion and blame it on the religion when it's actually the adherents that do the harm?

Because jumping on the religion gives people an excuse to persecute anyone who's different to them.

[Braecland]

Why do people jump on a religion and blame it on the religion when it's actually the adherents that do the harm?

Because jumping on the religion gives people an excuse to persecute anyone who's different to them.

Who exactly is "persecuting"? Or are you just copying Gauthier's accusation?

[Kubumba Tribe]

I said that my ancestors were forced to speak it, not that it was sinful in any way.

When they were abducted by another African tribe and sold into slavery there (and most slaves were, Africans sold off their excess slaves) they had to learn that language. Somehow you are under the delusion that White people invented slavery or were the only people who practiced it. People who have actually read history know that it was a world wide institution and that Modern Abolitionism was started in the Anglican Church (look it up if you don't believe me), and Moslems were among the LAST to legally ban it.

You also seem to be under the delusion there was one African culture or language, there were hundreds. It is like when people talk about "Native American Culture". There was never a "Native American Culture" but "Native American Cultures". Cherokee and Navaho and Sioux cultures were as different as English, Romanian and Russian. Or for that matter Chinese, Indian and Persian.

Y'know, I never said that Afrikans didn't practice slavery, never said they were a monoculture either. Of course people practiced slavery, but different cultures practiced it differently. Most Afrikan civilizations had humane slavery (didn't force slaves to live in shacks, were given real food, not scraps, weren't deprived of their culture, etc.).

[Purple Robed Empire]

Compared to Europe and Asia , Sub-Saharan Africa has been backwards for thousands of years. It has nothing in comparison to the Great Wall of China, the various Roman Roads, the Taj Mahal, or Xanadu . Cut off from the rest of the World and even each other it fell further and further behind.

As far as slavery goes it was Black Africans selling other Black Africans to Europeans and Arabs. Sub-Saharan Africa was a death trap for Europeans as they had a life expectancy of a year before the invention of various medicines. Arabs having more immunity to African diseases (another problem for African technological development) Arabs sometimes went on slave raids.

Of course earlier Whites sold other Whites into slavery. Before the rise of the Russian Empire the biggest source of slaves was Eastern Europe. The word slave and Slav come from the same word.

http://africankingdoms.com/

The pyramids are Egyptian which are North African not Sub-Saharan so they don't count any more than the Great Wall of China counts for the Indian Subcontinent. I also didn't say they weren't large, just that they were backwards, which they were. They weren't comparable to Rome, let alone China. They just weren't.

[Purple Robed Empire]

When they were abducted by another African tribe and sold into slavery there (and most slaves were, Africans sold off their excess slaves) they had to learn that language. Somehow you are under the delusion that White people invented slavery or were the only people who practiced it. People who have actually read history know that it was a world wide institution and that Modern Abolitionism was started in the Anglican Church (look it up if you don't believe me), and Moslems were among the LAST to legally ban it.

You also seem to be under the delusion there was one African culture or language, there were hundreds. It is like when people talk about "Native American Culture". There was never a "Native American Culture" but "Native American Cultures". Cherokee and Navaho and Sioux cultures were as different as English, Romanian and Russian. Or for that matter Chinese, Indian and Persian.

Y'know, I never said that Afrikans didn't practice slavery, never said they were a monoculture either. Of course people practiced slavery, but different cultures practiced it differently. Most Afrikan civilizations had humane slavery (didn't force slaves to live in shacks, were given real food, not scraps, weren't deprived of their culture, etc.).

No, they were treated like slaves. These are a bunch of self serving excuses made by people who don't want to admit their ancestors were the same slave driving reprobates as European slave owners. If you read 19th Century Southern Slavery Apologist tracts they read the same way. "We treat our slaves humanely. We treat them like our own children. they are well fed and well clothed at our expense". We don't let Southerners use that crappy excuse anymore but we shouldn't let others use it either.

They also damn well deprived them of their culture. They weren't stupid. The last thing they wanted is them to band together with others of their own culture. As much as possible they put people of rival tribes together and separated those of the same culture. They also required them to speak their owner's language and not their own.

[Kubumba Tribe]

http://africankingdoms.com/

The pyramids are Egyptian which are North African not Sub-Saharan so they don't count any more than the Great Wall of China counts for the Indian Subcontinent. I also didn't say they weren't large, just that they were backwards, which they were. They weren't comparable to Rome, let alone China. They just weren't.

"Some scholars theorize that Bantu speaking people had moved south from around the Benue River in western Africa into south-central Africa. By the 900s, the pastoral and Hamitic speaking Tutsi were migrating southward, into east-central Africa, to Rwanda , near Ukerewe , in centuries to come to be known as Lake Victoria. There, it is said, the Tutsi introduced cattle raising, iron-working, new crops, kingship and caste divisions. The people whom the Tutsi overran were Bantu speakers - the Hutu - and the Tutsi made vassals of some of the Hutu, giving them cattle in exchange for services and loyalty.


Before the 1100s agriculture was practiced in much of south-central Africa, except in the interior of southern Angola , close to the Kalahari Desert . In south-central Africa, bananas were grown. This was tropical woodland and savana, where yams and sugar cane were grown. Beans, groundnuts, sorghum and other millets were cultivated in areas of savanna. And people augmented their food production by hunting, fishing, gathering grubs and by raising chickens, pigs and, in a few places, cattle. There was also pottery making, wickerwork and salt production. At Munza were iron mines. People in this region of Africa preferred using salt and metal, including copper, as currency for trading. By the 1300s, communities in Katanga were uniting into a kingdom of farmers, fishermen and crafts people, and they were trading in dry fish and products made of metal.


In some of the more remote parts of south-central Africa were villages that were still egalitarian, but in the more densely populated areas monarchs had arisen. These monarchs associated their rule with spirits, and their rule was supported by rituals and priests not totally removed from sorcery, divination, healing and fertility rites. And those supporting monarchical rule believed in the sacredness of lineage and royal blood of their monarchs. A monarch had underlings who advised him and went with him in his visits to the villages where he claimed rule. He had the keepers of emblems, a military chief and warriors to support his rule. He had slaves. And from his subjects the monarch received taxes with which to maintain his operation and to buy what he needed to maintain what he considered an appropriate lifestyle.


By the 1400s small empires thrived in south-central Africa. One was centered at Luba . Another was centered at Lunda - where, it appears, people learned metal working from Luba. A third empire was centered in the kingdom of the Kongo , which dominated areas such as Loango , Kakong , Ngoi and Kisama ."

This is in South Central Afrika.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Y'know, I never said that Afrikans didn't practice slavery, never said they were a monoculture either. Of course people practiced slavery, but different cultures practiced it differently. Most Afrikan civilizations had humane slavery (didn't force slaves to live in shacks, were given real food, not scraps, weren't deprived of their culture, etc.).

No, they were treated like slaves. These are a bunch of self serving excuses made by people who don't want to admit their ancestors were the same slave driving reprobates as European slave owners. If you read 19th Century Southern Slavery Apologist tracts they read the same way. "We treat our slaves humanely. We treat them like our own children. they are well fed and well clothed at our expense". We don't let Southerners use that crappy excuse anymore but we shouldn't let others use it either.

They also damn well deprived them of their culture. They weren't stupid. The last thing they wanted is them to band together with others of their own culture. As much as possible they put people of rival tribes together and separated those of the same culture. They also required them to speak their owner's language and not their own.

Source?

[Zoice]

This time, I think you misread me. I don't thin we should oppress any of them, but I do think that they're all wrong and should be treated with the same amount of skepticism.


Do you have any evidence that they are not? Given all I have said about Islam being radicalised by the West and probably about to get over it's phase at any point and all?


One of these quotes is not like the other.
(It's not worse...)


Excellent. Supporting good people is great. I do the same - not sure why you felt it was a 'one up'.

Skeptisism yes, but when they are misbehaving, they require different amounts of criticism proportionate to the negativity the create.

All religions are NOT the same, do I really need to explain this to you? A thousand years ago, Christianity and Islam were THE problem religions, now it's just Islam.

My one-up was supporting people regardless of their beliefs, not because of them.

Sorry I didn't properly stager the quotes, I'm on my new phone and I haven't quite figured it out yet.

Edit: granted, I did misread the frist point, I know you don't really mean it

I think Islam is easier to go wrong than some other religions. That doesn't mean that it's okay to discriminate against Muslims.

[Nasjonal Regjering Norge]

I don't know, but Islamists love their knives, so...

[Purple Robed Empire]

The pyramids are Egyptian which are North African not Sub-Saharan so they don't count any more than the Great Wall of China counts for the Indian Subcontinent. I also didn't say they weren't large, just that they were backwards, which they were. They weren't comparable to Rome, let alone China. They just weren't.

"Some scholars theorize that Bantu speaking people had moved south from around the Benue River in western Africa into south-central Africa. By the 900s, the pastoral and Hamitic speaking Tutsi were migrating southward, into east-central Africa, to Rwanda , near Ukerewe , in centuries to come to be known as Lake Victoria. There, it is said, the Tutsi introduced cattle raising, iron-working, new crops, kingship and caste divisions. The people whom the Tutsi overran were Bantu speakers - the Hutu - and the Tutsi made vassals of some of the Hutu, giving them cattle in exchange for services and loyalty.


Before the 1100s agriculture was practiced in much of south-central Africa, except in the interior of southern Angola , close to the Kalahari Desert . In south-central Africa, bananas were grown. This was tropical woodland and savana, where yams and sugar cane were grown. Beans, groundnuts, sorghum and other millets were cultivated in areas of savanna. And people augmented their food production by hunting, fishing, gathering grubs and by raising chickens, pigs and, in a few places, cattle. There was also pottery making, wickerwork and salt production. At Munza were iron mines. People in this region of Africa preferred using salt and metal, including copper, as currency for trading. By the 1300s, communities in Katanga were uniting into a kingdom of farmers, fishermen and crafts people, and they were trading in dry fish and products made of metal.


In some of the more remote parts of south-central Africa were villages that were still egalitarian, but in the more densely populated areas monarchs had arisen. These monarchs associated their rule with spirits, and their rule was supported by rituals and priests not totally removed from sorcery, divination, healing and fertility rites. And those supporting monarchical rule believed in the sacredness of lineage and royal blood of their monarchs. A monarch had underlings who advised him and went with him in his visits to the villages where he claimed rule. He had the keepers of emblems, a military chief and warriors to support his rule. He had slaves. And from his subjects the monarch received taxes with which to maintain his operation and to buy what he needed to maintain what he considered an appropriate lifestyle.


By the 1400s small empires thrived in south-central Africa. One was centered at Luba . Another was centered at Lunda - where, it appears, people learned metal working from Luba. A third empire was centered in the kingdom of the Kongo , which dominated areas such as Loango , Kakong , Ngoi and Kisama ."

This is in South Central Afrika.

By the 1100s virtually all of Europe practiced agriculture and had for quite some time, it goes back even farther back in Asia and North Africa. Saying that Africa had Agriculture in the 1100s hardly makes it advanced. Fishing was practiced for a long time in Europe and Asia by that time as well.

Having spiritualism and other superstitions hardly speaks of advanced societies to me. Since sorcery , divination, and most healing and fertility rites did not actually work it is hardly a sign of advancement. Eurasia had these things to but they were backwards compared to today as well.

Metal working was common in Eurasia long before 1400. Face it, screwed by geography Sub-Saharan Africa was a technological backwater for thousands of years.

[Purple Robed Empire]

No, they were treated like slaves. These are a bunch of self serving excuses made by people who don't want to admit their ancestors were the same slave driving reprobates as European slave owners. If you read 19th Century Southern Slavery Apologist tracts they read the same way. "We treat our slaves humanely. We treat them like our own children. they are well fed and well clothed at our expense". We don't let Southerners use that crappy excuse anymore but we shouldn't let others use it either.

They also damn well deprived them of their culture. They weren't stupid. The last thing they wanted is them to band together with others of their own culture. As much as possible they put people of rival tribes together and separated those of the same culture. They also required them to speak their owner's language and not their own.

Source?

Google it, if you aren't aware that Southerners made the same damn excuses then you are truly ignorant of both psychology and US history. It is human nature to make self serving excuses.