Knife attack in Munich, 1 dead - Islamism or not?

[Kubumba Tribe]

Have you -read- the quran? 90% is muhammad or his followers. 10% is allah. How can you even call it a religion? That's like declaring Adolf Hitler a prophet and nazism his religion. (Fun fact: The quran has more similarities with mein kampf than the new testament)

Oh fuck off. I doubt you've ever read anything of the Qur'an outside of what was taken out of context to support anti-Islam arguments.

Yes, the Qur'an and Islam have very warlike themes. Have you stopped to think that perhaps that was due to where and when Islam was born? Muhammad and his followers were constantly in conflict with the Arabic pagans who hounded them from the very beginning. So, naturally conflict is a common theme and something that had to be spoken on, just like slavery in Rome had to be spoken on by Paul and the Apostles in the New Testament.

And let me tell you this, I'm not a scholar of Islam by any means but from what I do know Muhammad was far more humane than his pagan opponents were.

And the Qur'an talks about defensive violence.

[Purple Robed Empire]

I may be a bit rusty with my geography but Nepal and Bengladesh are neither western or in America...

I should've cleared myself. There's overseas slavery that America either doesn't know about or doesn't care.

Should the US invade Bangladesh to stamp out the slave trade there? I am not sure what we can do about it. Unless you want the US to invade and occupy Bangladesh I doubt it could do much.

[Alvecia]

I may be a bit rusty with my geography but Nepal and Bengladesh are neither western or in America...

I should've cleared myself. There's overseas slavery that America either doesn't know about or doesn't care.

America has no power to affect what WalMart is doing in Nepal and Bangladesh.
Legally speaking anyhow.

[Adirondack Commonwealth]

Religion of Peace:

Abu Sayyaf, Philippines

Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades, Gaza Strip and West Bank

Al-Gama'a al-Islamiyya, Egypt

Al-Qaeda, worldwide

Al-Shabaab, Somalia

Ansar al-Islam, Iraq

Ansar al-sharia, Libya

Armed Islamic Group (GIA), Algeria

Boko Haram, Nigeria

Caucasus Emirate, Russia

East Turkestan Islamic Movement (ETIM), China

Egyptian Islamic Jihad, Egypt

Great Eastern Islamic Raiders' Front (IBDA-C), Turkey

Hamas, Gaza Strip and West Bank

Harkat-ul-Mujahideen al-Alami, Pakistan

Hezbollah, Lebanon

Islamic Movement of Central Asia, Central Asia

Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan, Uzbekistan

Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, worldwide

Jaish-e-Mohammed, Pakistan and Kashmir

Jamaat Ansar al-Sunna, Iraq

Jemaah Islamiyah, Indonesia

Lashkar-e-Taiba, Pakistan and Kashmir

Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, Pakistan

Moro Islamic Liberation Front, Philippines

Moroccan Islamic Combatant Group, Morocco and Europe

Palestinian Islamic Jihad, Gaza Strip and West Bank

Tawhid and Jihad, Iraq

Adolf Hitler and the NAZI Party

So just because they're militant groups they're automatically terrorists?

I see a few examples there, such as East Turkestan, who have formed due to oppressive measures against their culture by the ruling government. Something that would happen regardless of what religion they were.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I should've cleared myself. There's overseas slavery that America either doesn't know about or doesn't care.

Should the US invade Bangladesh to stamp out the slave trade there? I am not sure what we can do about it. Unless you want the US to invade and occupy Bangladesh I doubt it could do much.

Right? If we don't do anything apparently we don't care, but if we do we're evil imperialists

[Adirondack Commonwealth]

Oh fuck off. I doubt you've ever read anything of the Qur'an outside of what was taken out of context to support anti-Islam arguments.

Yes, the Qur'an and Islam have very warlike themes. Have you stopped to think that perhaps that was due to where and when Islam was born? Muhammad and his followers were constantly in conflict with the Arabic pagans who hounded them from the very beginning. So, naturally conflict is a common theme and something that had to be spoken on, just like slavery in Rome had to be spoken on by Paul and the Apostles in the New Testament.

And let me tell you this, I'm not a scholar of Islam by any means but from what I do know Muhammad was far more humane than his pagan opponents were.

And the Qur'an talks about defensive violence.

True.

[Kubumba Tribe]

I should've cleared myself. There's overseas slavery that America either doesn't know about or doesn't care.

America has no power to affect what WalMart is doing in Nepal and Bangladesh.
Legally speaking anyhow.

Wal-Mart was founded in neo-colonial America, so neo-colonial America can do something.

[Keshokif]

I should've said 'weren't' with the slavery thing. But slavery is overlooked in neo-colonial America. I was watching a news show on Al-Jazeera America that was highlighting child labor in Nepal or Bangladesh working for Wal-Mart.

That's rich. Most of the slaves in human history were whites. A lot of them taken by, you guessed it, moslems!

While a lot were white people, it was never a majority. And even in the times when White slavery was most prevalent, it was actually by other 'white' powers, like Rome and Greece.

Not sure what you're trying to prove. The fact that it has the 10% Allah means that it is a religious text.

How can anybody claim it's a religious text when so little of it even mentions the guy?

Like I said, the fact that it mentions him at all is proof that it is. If there was 0% Allah, then it could be a storybook or a history book, maybe even a life-book of the day. Include a deity providing laws to live by, and boom - it's a religion. Remember that there are large parts of the Bible which don't actively include God. They are stories from a cultural history of the Jews, or letters from early Christian leaders. If you'll argue that 10% is too little, then what is the cutoff? 30%? 50%? Intentional vagueness is not a sign of a good argument.

Heh. If it weren't so untrue, I'd find that very funny. However, no cigar for you. Anyway, smoking is bad, kids.

Seems kind of hypocritical to denounce the West for misidentifying Islam, then turn around and misidentify the West, no?

Perhaps. Except they didn't misidentify the West. Under most theories of International Relations, countries will only do what is good for them in terms of resources and gain, and in the Capitalist system, greed is rewarded by power and prosperity. I think that it's fairly accurate to say that the West does a lot of indoctrination in that way. Heck, in my school, we were discouraged from going to university, because getting a job and earning lots of money was more important than an education. Do I think that wage work is important? Yes. Though I think that the expansion of knowledge is more important, and that can only come about through education.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Should the US invade Bangladesh to stamp out the slave trade there? I am not sure what we can do about it. Unless you want the US to invade and occupy Bangladesh I doubt it could do much.

Right? If we don't do anything apparently we don't care, but if we do we're evil imperialists

Well with the history neo-colonial America has done, distrust is really heavy. I don't trust the neo-colonial American gov and I live there.

[Washington Resistance Army]

America has no power to affect what WalMart is doing in Nepal and Bangladesh.
Legally speaking anyhow.

Wal-Mart was founded in neo-colonial America, so neo-colonial America can do something.

That is not how things work, I'm sorry.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Right? If we don't do anything apparently we don't care, but if we do we're evil imperialists

Well with the history neo-colonial America has done, distrust is really heavy. I don't trust the neo-colonial American gov and I live there.

Honestly it seems like you've just been fed a lot of bullshit, your reasons for this mistrust don't really make much sense.

[Vassenor]

So just because they're militant groups they're automatically terrorists?

I see a few examples there, such as East Turkestan, who have formed due to oppressive measures against their culture by the ruling government. Something that would happen regardless of what religion they were.

You're letting facts and logic get in the way of the "ALL MUSLIMS ARE EVUL TERRORISTS" narrative.

[Purple Robed Empire]

Sorry, but life is, and has never been fair. At one time the West was far behind the East. People of that era didn't whine and ask for money they did something about it. The Chinese and the Indians having been catching up very quickly lately and the Japanese did so earlier. Do you know what they have in common? They aren't known for being nations full of whiners.

Firstly, I'll question your first sentence. I think I get your point, but you did contradict yourself there.
People who say 'imperialism' are not whiners. They are highlighting an important issue. Sure, life isn't fair, but in an age of globalisation and worldwide trade, less developed nations are now completely at the whim of larger ones. You cannot say that for the West in the Middle Ages. China, India and Japan have been able to catch up very fast, and that's good. However, on the whole, Nigerians and Congolese people are not whiners. Some of them work harder than we ever will for less gain. And yet, somehow, their countries are not able to catch up. I think that's pretty solid evidence of imperialism being a continuing influence on the world.

Africa has also been catching up, being further behind India and China to begin with it is going to take more time for it to be obvious. Africa started so far behind that it will take decades of above average growth for it to be evident. The Southern US has had a faster growth rate than the North since the 1970s and it still hasn't caught up and it was far less far behind than Africa. For Africa to get caught up to even 1940s US is going to take it a century or more no matter what anyone does. An economy can only grow so fast.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Well with the history neo-colonial America has done, distrust is really heavy. I don't trust the neo-colonial American gov and I live there.

Honestly it seems like you've just been fed a lot of bullshit, your reasons for this mistrust don't really make much sense.

Iraq War, Gulf War, controversy of Vietnam, support of the Zionist State, I could go on.

[Bezkoshtovnya]

Do we just assume Islamist until proven otherwise now or something?

Shouting the Takbīr is a pretty good indicator of Islamism.

Or something someone shouts when one has knowledge of the rising anti-Islam sentiment as some sort of false flag to push an agenda. Such a person would have to be pretty crazy and devoted, but it is not an impossibility.

<br style="text-shadow: none;">America has no power to affect what WalMart is doing in Nepal and Bangladesh.<br style="text-shadow: none;">Legally speaking anyhow.

<br style="text-shadow: none;">Wal-Mart was founded in neo-colonial America, so neo-colonial America can do something.

That's how that works.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Firstly, I'll question your first sentence. I think I get your point, but you did contradict yourself there.
People who say 'imperialism' are not whiners. They are highlighting an important issue. Sure, life isn't fair, but in an age of globalisation and worldwide trade, less developed nations are now completely at the whim of larger ones. You cannot say that for the West in the Middle Ages. China, India and Japan have been able to catch up very fast, and that's good. However, on the whole, Nigerians and Congolese people are not whiners. Some of them work harder than we ever will for less gain. And yet, somehow, their countries are not able to catch up. I think that's pretty solid evidence of imperialism being a continuing influence on the world.

Africa has also been catching up, being further behind India and China to begin with it is going to take more time for it to be obvious. Africa started so far behind that it will take decades of above average growth for it to be evident. The Southern US has had a faster growth rate than the North since the 1970s and it still hasn't caught up and it was far less far behind than Africa. For Africa to get caught up to even 1940s US is going to take it a century or more no matter what anyone does. An economy can only grow so fast.

The reason Afrika's behind is the West.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Shouting the Takbīr is a pretty good indicator of Islamism.

Or something someone shouts when one has knowledge of the rising anti-Islam sentiment as some sort of false flag to push an agenda. Such a person would have to be pretty crazy and devoted, but it is not an impossibility.

<br style="text-shadow: none;">Wal-Mart was founded in neo-colonial America, so neo-colonial America can do something.

That's how that works.

Also, Takbir is also used like a hallelujah in church, so yeah.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Honestly it seems like you've just been fed a lot of bullshit, your reasons for this mistrust don't really make much sense.

Iraq War, Gulf War, controversy of Vietnam, support of the Zionist State, I could go on.

The Iraq war is pretty much entirely loathed as is Vietnam, the Gulf War was entirely Saddam's fault for trying to invade everyone within reach, Israel makes a decent ally in the region even if I don't like them. So yeah, still not seeing where your people are oppressed or whatnot. Really the only place that happens is when your people oppress each other.

[Keshokif]

Firstly, I'll question your first sentence. I think I get your point, but you did contradict yourself there.
People who say 'imperialism' are not whiners. They are highlighting an important issue. Sure, life isn't fair, but in an age of globalisation and worldwide trade, less developed nations are now completely at the whim of larger ones. You cannot say that for the West in the Middle Ages. China, India and Japan have been able to catch up very fast, and that's good. However, on the whole, Nigerians and Congolese people are not whiners. Some of them work harder than we ever will for less gain. And yet, somehow, their countries are not able to catch up. I think that's pretty solid evidence of imperialism being a continuing influence on the world.

Africa has also been catching up, being further behind India and China to begin with it is going to take more time for it to be obvious. Africa started so far behind that it will take decades of above average growth for it to be evident. The Southern US has had a faster growth rate than the North since the 1970s and it still hasn't caught up and it was far less far behind than Africa. For Africa to get caught up to even 1940s US is going to take it a century or more no matter what anyone does. An economy can only grow so fast.

I think that if the West were truly interested in allowing Africa to develop, then the West would be doing more about it. However, as the current trend goes, it seems that the West likes a poor region to take the natural resources from. We could eradicate poverty easily - if the US removed 10% of its overblown military budget (they spend more than the next 20-or-so countries combined - don't tell me that's not overkill) and used it to smarty develop Africa, poverty would be eradicated there very soon, and development would soon follow.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Iraq War, Gulf War, controversy of Vietnam, support of the Zionist State, I could go on.

The Iraq war is pretty much entirely loathed as is Vietnam, the Gulf War was entirely Saddam's fault for trying to invade everyone within reach, Israel makes a decent ally in the region even if I don't like them. So yeah, still not seeing where your people are oppressed or whatnot. Really the only place that happens is when your people oppress each other.

I'm a New Afrikan, so I was typing about my New Afrikan brothers and sisters. And if you believe everything the neo-colonial American gov says, sure, that's why.

[Purple Robed Empire]

Oh fuck off. I doubt you've ever read anything of the Qur'an outside of what was taken out of context to support anti-Islam arguments.

Yes, the Qur'an and Islam have very warlike themes. Have you stopped to think that perhaps that was due to where and when Islam was born? Muhammad and his followers were constantly in conflict with the Arabic pagans who hounded them from the very beginning. So, naturally conflict is a common theme and something that had to be spoken on, just like slavery in Rome had to be spoken on by Paul and the Apostles in the New Testament.

And let me tell you this, I'm not a scholar of Islam by any means but from what I do know Muhammad was far more humane than his pagan opponents were.

And the Qur'an talks about defensive violence.

How were the Arab conquests defensive or the Turkish ones later? They were attacking areas that weren't Moslem to begin with.

[Bezkoshtovnya]

Or something someone shouts when one has knowledge of the rising anti-Islam sentiment as some sort of false flag to push an agenda. Such a person would have to be pretty crazy and devoted, but it is not an impossibility.

That's how that works.

Also, Takbir is also used like a hallelujah in church, so yeah.

It is also a common phrase used during Islamist related terror attacks, so yeah. Don't think the church context is the right one here.

[Stormopolis]

Have you -read- the quran? 90% is muhammad or his followers. 10% is allah. How can you even call it a religion? That's like declaring Adolf Hitler a prophet and nazism his religion. (Fun fact: The quran has more similarities with mein kampf than the new testament)

Oh fuck off. I doubt you've ever read anything of the Qur'an outside of what was taken out of context to support anti-Islam arguments.

Yes, the Qur'an and Islam have very warlike themes. Have you stopped to think that perhaps that was due to where and when Islam was born? Muhammad and his followers were constantly in conflict with the Arabic pagans who hounded them from the very beginning. So, naturally conflict is a common theme and something that had to be spoken on, just like slavery in Rome had to be spoken on by Paul and the Apostles in the New Testament.

And let me tell you this, I'm not a scholar of Islam by any means but from what I do know Muhammad was far more humane than his pagan opponents were.

Only if you fuck off first. I've read plenty of the qu'ran, including quite a few hadiths.
You know, it would have been forgiven if the initial idea was to have it be aggressive. Defend your own, whatnot. But that's not it, is it? It sure was DEFENDING when it pushed all the way into Spain. Defensively. Also, that dog ain't gonna hunt because, guess what, rape? Beheadings? Killing the jews? That is all still considered to be defensive actions, the result of being hounded by pagans? Wake up: violence is inherent to the quran and moslems.

Muhammad was far more humane? Toooootally. Next thing you'll be repeating pseudo-feminists who say that he was a feminist too.

Look at all the actions allowed in defending yourself, people. We're all soooooooooooo peaceful.

[Purple Robed Empire]

And the Qur'an talks about defensive violence.

True.

The Arab and later Turkish conquest were both OFFENSIVE violence.

[Napkiraly]

Honestly it seems like you've just been fed a lot of bullshit, your reasons for this mistrust don't really make much sense.

1)Iraq War, 2)Gulf War, 3)controversy of Vietnam, 4)support of the Zionist State, I could go on.

1) Fair game.
2) Completely justified unless you think Saddam should have been able to annex Kuwait
3) Enh, somewhat justified given the strategic mindset of the time and the particular conflict that was going on
4) Israel is among the better states in the Middle East, not that that is saying much. Rather support them over Syria and the like.