Knife attack in Munich, 1 dead - Islamism or not?

[Kubumba Tribe]

I guess you're right.

Then quit whining! What has been done can't be undone, life is not and never has been fair. If you want to go back far enough Europe was as exploited by Asians and North Africans as the other way around. The Mongols, the Turks, the Huns etc. all did their share of damage.

Imperialism is not exclusively European. It was the most wide spread at its height merely because it was the most recent and thus had the best technology to do so. If they had technology the Europeans had you can damn well bet the Mongols would have conquered areas in the Americas or any other region they couldn't be stopped.

If at the height of the Arab Conquests the Moslems were able to conquer Europe they would have. They were in Spain for centuries even though the locals didn't want them. The Ottomans kicked off the Crusades by invading the Roman Empire . They also invaded up to the gates of Vienna.

Removing the Crusades and the Iberian conquests were liberations. And we aren't whining, we're showing the faults of the West and demand that they be given consequences.

[Keshokif]

The reason sympathy's been lost is because all these Western countries care about is money. Which is also what they brainwash their citizens with. Money, power, privilege, that's the game of the West.

Keep telling yourself that if it helps you sleep at night.

It's the truth. The West only seems to care about gains, whether they be monetary, militaristic or cultural.

[Stormopolis]

Hi! Let me say one more thing before I go do something else: islam is not a religion. It's a virulent ideology that demands to get its claws in everything.

I think something that worship a deity is pretty much a religion. And Islam has no claws

Have you -read- the quran? 90% is muhammad or his followers. 10% is allah. How can you even call it a religion? That's like declaring Adolf Hitler a prophet and nazism his religion. (Fun fact: The quran has more similarities with mein kampf than the new testament)

[Braecland]

My final judgement is that the knife attack in Munich was just one murder among the two thousand murder/manslaughters which happen annually in Germany, and does not deserve any further attention. Our attention should be spent on more easily preventable murders, not on murders which are tailored to gain our attention.

Terrorism is a minor problem which is hard to prevent. Non-terrorist murders are a much bigger problem, which at least in part is easier to prevent. And terrorists are like trolls: they won't just go away if you ignore them, but you shouldn't feed them with attention or you'll just get more of them.

Really? Have you been living under a rock or something?

[Keshokif]

I think something that worship a deity is pretty much a religion. And Islam has no claws

Have you -read- the quran? 90% is muhammad or his followers. 10% is allah. How can you even call it a religion? That's like declaring Adolf Hitler a prophet and nazism his religion. (Fun fact: The quran has more similarities with mein kampf than the new testament)

Not sure what you're trying to prove. The fact that it has the 10% Allah means that it is a religious text.

[Alvecia]

Well isn't this handy.

Don't think I really said any of that did I? I just said it's hard to feel sympathetic for human rights abusers. After a point their history is irrelevant.

Nor do I think I ever denied any of this.
My point was that it has now reached the point wher eI've stopped caring. I really have.
I've had Imperialist thrown in my face so much and so often that I've grown numb. And that's not my fault. That's the fault of the people using it.
Much like the Boy Who Cried Wolf, the Countries That Cried Imperialism have done so to such a degree that all sympathy for the position has been lost, and I'm sure that I'm not the only one who thinks this.

The reason sympathy's been lost is because all these Western countries care about is money. Which is also what they brainwash their citizens with. Money, power, privilege, that's the game of the West.

Hi! Let me say one more thing before I go do something else: islam is not a religion. It's a virulent ideology that demands to get its claws in everything.

IslamThe West is a religion region. It has been fanaticised by the West Middle East and somewhat hijacked by its fanatics to expand their own ends. These fanatics do not care whether you are a Muslim Westerner or a Christian Middle Eastern, a white person or a coloured one. They attack everyone. But it is a religion region.
Yes, Islam The West has its faults as a religion region, and any who read defend it as complete truth are just as wrong as those who read defend the Bible The Middle East as complete truth. But its faults are no worse that Christianity's The Middle East's, and we don't oppress them because of their bigoted book different beliefs.

[Purple Robed Empire]

Don't think I really said any of that did I? I just said it's hard to feel sympathetic for human rights abusers. After a point their history is irrelevant.

I believe I misread your point. Apologies on that front.

Nor do I think I ever denied any of this.
My point was that it has now reached the point wher eI've stopped caring. I really have.
I've had Imperialist thrown in my face so much and so often that I've grown numb. And that's not my fault. That's the fault of the people using it.
Much like the Boy Who Cried Wolf, the Countries That Cried Imperialism have done so to such a degree that all sympathy for the position has been lost, and I'm sure that I'm not the only one who thinks this.

I never said you denied it. I simply think that you are overlooking it if you are getting annoyed by people saying 'imperialism'.
Not only was imperialism a real issue that has happened in the past, and yes, perhaps the word is used so often that it has lost its sting, but it is an issue that continues to happen, and until justice is done for that, the human race cannot advance past a new iPhone with a couple o'extra features every month.

Sorry, but life is, and has never been fair. At one time the West was far behind the East. People of that era didn't whine and ask for money they did something about it. The Chinese and the Indians having been catching up very quickly lately and the Japanese did so earlier. Do you know what they have in common? They aren't known for being nations full of whiners.

[Keshokif]

Well isn't this handy.

The reason sympathy's been lost is because all these Western countries care about is money. Which is also what they brainwash their citizens with. Money, power, privilege, that's the game of the West.

IslamThe West is a religion region. It has been fanaticised by the West Middle East and somewhat hijacked by its fanatics to expand their own ends. These fanatics do not care whether you are a Muslim Westerner or a Christian Middle Eastern, a white person or a coloured one. They attack everyone. But it is a religion region.
Yes, Islam The West has its faults as a religion region, and any who read defend it as complete truth are just as wrong as those who read defend the Bible The Middle East as complete truth. But its faults are no worse that Christianity's The Middle East's, and we don't oppress them because of their bigoted book different beliefs.

Heh. If it weren't so untrue, I'd find that very funny. However, no cigar for you. Anyway, smoking is bad, kids.

[Braecland]

Why was this thread even started? The person attacked someone with a knife, end of story! It doesn't matter what he was, just put him/her up on trial and put him/her in jail! I mean really, it's not that hard!

Says the pro-islamist

[Alvecia]

Don't think I really said any of that did I? I just said it's hard to feel sympathetic for human rights abusers. After a point their history is irrelevant.

I believe I misread your point. Apologies on that front.

Np.

Nor do I think I ever denied any of this.
My point was that it has now reached the point wher eI've stopped caring. I really have.
I've had Imperialist thrown in my face so much and so often that I've grown numb. And that's not my fault. That's the fault of the people using it.
Much like the Boy Who Cried Wolf, the Countries That Cried Imperialism have done so to such a degree that all sympathy for the position has been lost, and I'm sure that I'm not the only one who thinks this.

I never said you denied it. I simply think that you are overlooking it if you are getting annoyed by people saying 'imperialism'.
Not only was imperialism a real issue that has happened in the past, and yes, perhaps the word is used so often that it has lost its sting, but it is an issue that continues to happen, and until justice is done for that, the human race cannot advance past a new iPhone with a couple o'extra features every month.

The issue is still potent, yes. But as an argumentative point it has lost all meaning.

[Kubumba Tribe]

My people aren't oppressed, marginalized, subjugated to gentrification, moved to ghettos, enslaved?

If they are living in a Western country they sure as hell aren't being enslaved legally nor are anti-slavery laws being ignored. You can't say the same in Islamic countries where they are ignored in places.

I should've said 'weren't' with the slavery thing. But slavery is overlooked in neo-colonial America. I was watching a news show on Al-Jazeera America that was highlighting child labor in Nepal or Bangladesh working for Wal-Mart.

[Stormopolis]

Have you -read- the quran? 90% is muhammad or his followers. 10% is allah. How can you even call it a religion? That's like declaring Adolf Hitler a prophet and nazism his religion. (Fun fact: The quran has more similarities with mein kampf than the new testament)

Not sure what you're trying to prove. The fact that it has the 10% Allah means that it is a religious text.

How can anybody claim it's a religious text when so little of it even mentions the guy?

[Alvecia]

Well isn't this handy.

Heh. If it weren't so untrue, I'd find that very funny. However, no cigar for you. Anyway, smoking is bad, kids.

Seems kind of hypocritical to denounce the West for misidentifying Islam, then turn around and misidentify the West, no?

[Stormopolis]

If they are living in a Western country they sure as hell aren't being enslaved legally nor are anti-slavery laws being ignored. You can't say the same in Islamic countries where they are ignored in places.

I should've said 'weren't' with the slavery thing. But slavery is overlooked in neo-colonial America. I was watching a news show on Al-Jazeera America that was highlighting child labor in Nepal or Bangladesh working for Wal-Mart.

That's rich. Most of the slaves in human history were whites. A lot of them taken by, you guessed it, moslems!

[New Benian Republic]

If they are living in a Western country they sure as hell aren't being enslaved legally nor are anti-slavery laws being ignored. You can't say the same in Islamic countries where they are ignored in places.

I should've said 'weren't' with the slavery thing. But slavery is overlooked in neo-colonial America. I was watching a news show on Al-Jazeera America that was highlighting child labor in Nepal or Bangladesh working for Wal-Mart.

I may be a bit rusty with my geography but Nepal and Bengladesh are neither western or in America...

[Wisconsia]

Religion of Peace:

Abu Sayyaf, Philippines

Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades, Gaza Strip and West Bank

Al-Gama'a al-Islamiyya, Egypt

Al-Qaeda, worldwide

Al-Shabaab, Somalia

Ansar al-Islam, Iraq

Ansar al-sharia, Libya

Armed Islamic Group (GIA), Algeria

Boko Haram, Nigeria

Caucasus Emirate, Russia

East Turkestan Islamic Movement (ETIM), China

Egyptian Islamic Jihad, Egypt

Great Eastern Islamic Raiders' Front (IBDA-C), Turkey

Hamas, Gaza Strip and West Bank

Harkat-ul-Mujahideen al-Alami, Pakistan

Hezbollah, Lebanon

Islamic Movement of Central Asia, Central Asia

Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan, Uzbekistan

Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, worldwide

Jaish-e-Mohammed, Pakistan and Kashmir

Jamaat Ansar al-Sunna, Iraq

Jemaah Islamiyah, Indonesia

Lashkar-e-Taiba, Pakistan and Kashmir

Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, Pakistan

Moro Islamic Liberation Front, Philippines

Moroccan Islamic Combatant Group, Morocco and Europe

Palestinian Islamic Jihad, Gaza Strip and West Bank

Tawhid and Jihad, Iraq

Adolf Hitler and the NAZI Party

[Purple Robed Empire]

Then quit whining! What has been done can't be undone, life is not and never has been fair. If you want to go back far enough Europe was as exploited by Asians and North Africans as the other way around. The Mongols, the Turks, the Huns etc. all did their share of damage.

Imperialism is not exclusively European. It was the most wide spread at its height merely because it was the most recent and thus had the best technology to do so. If they had technology the Europeans had you can damn well bet the Mongols would have conquered areas in the Americas or any other region they couldn't be stopped.

If at the height of the Arab Conquests the Moslems were able to conquer Europe they would have. They were in Spain for centuries even though the locals didn't want them. The Ottomans kicked off the Crusades by invading the Roman Empire . They also invaded up to the gates of Vienna.

Removing the Crusades and the Iberian conquests were liberations. And we aren't whining, we're showing the faults of the West and demand that they be given consequences.

I see, when Moslems do it then it is liberation but when Christians do it then it is imperialism!

[New Benian Republic]

Religion of Peace:

Abu Sayyaf, Philippines

Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades, Gaza Strip and West Bank

Al-Gama'a al-Islamiyya, Egypt

Al-Qaeda, worldwide

Al-Shabaab, Somalia

Ansar al-Islam, Iraq

Ansar al-sharia, Libya

Armed Islamic Group (GIA), Algeria

Boko Haram, Nigeria

Caucasus Emirate, Russia

East Turkestan Islamic Movement (ETIM), China

Egyptian Islamic Jihad, Egypt

Great Eastern Islamic Raiders' Front (IBDA-C), Turkey

Hamas, Gaza Strip and West Bank

Harkat-ul-Mujahideen al-Alami, Pakistan

Hezbollah, Lebanon

Islamic Movement of Central Asia, Central Asia

Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan, Uzbekistan

Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, worldwide

Jaish-e-Mohammed, Pakistan and Kashmir

Jamaat Ansar al-Sunna, Iraq

Jemaah Islamiyah, Indonesia

Lashkar-e-Taiba, Pakistan and Kashmir

Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, Pakistan

Moro Islamic Liberation Front, Philippines

Moroccan Islamic Combatant Group, Morocco and Europe

Palestinian Islamic Jihad, Gaza Strip and West Bank

Tawhid and Jihad, Iraq

Few of those were legal resistance movements though.

[Kubumba Tribe]

I should've said 'weren't' with the slavery thing. But slavery is overlooked in neo-colonial America. I was watching a news show on Al-Jazeera America that was highlighting child labor in Nepal or Bangladesh working for Wal-Mart.

That's rich. Most of the slaves in human history were whites. A lot of them taken by, you guessed it, moslems!

1: proof? 2: Islam is a religion that does not revere Prophet Muhammad a god. The Holy Qur'an refers to Allah (SWT) a lot.

[Washington Resistance Army]

If they are living in a Western country they sure as hell aren't being enslaved legally nor are anti-slavery laws being ignored. You can't say the same in Islamic countries where they are ignored in places.

I should've said 'weren't' with the slavery thing. But slavery is overlooked in neo-colonial America. I was watching a news show on Al-Jazeera America that was highlighting child labor in Nepal or Bangladesh working for Wal-Mart.

Uh, yeah. Not much American anti-slavery laws can do there, and I fail to see what that has to do with your people being oppressed in the west.

[Kubumba Tribe]

I should've said 'weren't' with the slavery thing. But slavery is overlooked in neo-colonial America. I was watching a news show on Al-Jazeera America that was highlighting child labor in Nepal or Bangladesh working for Wal-Mart.

I may be a bit rusty with my geography but Nepal and Bengladesh are neither western or in America...

I should've cleared myself. There's overseas slavery that America either doesn't know about or doesn't care.

[Keshokif]

I believe I misread your point. Apologies on that front.

I never said you denied it. I simply think that you are overlooking it if you are getting annoyed by people saying 'imperialism'.
Not only was imperialism a real issue that has happened in the past, and yes, perhaps the word is used so often that it has lost its sting, but it is an issue that continues to happen, and until justice is done for that, the human race cannot advance past a new iPhone with a couple o'extra features every month.

Sorry, but life is, and has never been fair. At one time the West was far behind the East. People of that era didn't whine and ask for money they did something about it. The Chinese and the Indians having been catching up very quickly lately and the Japanese did so earlier. Do you know what they have in common? They aren't known for being nations full of whiners.

Firstly, I'll question your first sentence. I think I get your point, but you did contradict yourself there.
People who say 'imperialism' are not whiners. They are highlighting an important issue. Sure, life isn't fair, but in an age of globalisation and worldwide trade, less developed nations are now completely at the whim of larger ones. You cannot say that for the West in the Middle Ages. China, India and Japan have been able to catch up very fast, and that's good. However, on the whole, Nigerians and Congolese people are not whiners. Some of them work harder than we ever will for less gain. And yet, somehow, their countries are not able to catch up. I think that's pretty solid evidence of imperialism being a continuing influence on the world.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Why was this thread even started? The person attacked someone with a knife, end of story! It doesn't matter what he was, just put him/her up on trial and put him/her in jail! I mean really, it's not that hard!

Says the pro-islamist

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[Adirondack Commonwealth]

I think something that worship a deity is pretty much a religion. And Islam has no claws

Have you -read- the quran? 90% is muhammad or his followers. 10% is allah. How can you even call it a religion? That's like declaring Adolf Hitler a prophet and nazism his religion. (Fun fact: The quran has more similarities with mein kampf than the new testament)

Oh fuck off. I doubt you've ever read anything of the Qur'an outside of what was taken out of context to support anti-Islam arguments.

Yes, the Qur'an and Islam have very warlike themes. Have you stopped to think that perhaps that was due to where and when Islam was born? Muhammad and his followers were constantly in conflict with the Arabic pagans who hounded them from the very beginning. So, naturally conflict is a common theme and something that had to be spoken on, just like slavery in Rome had to be spoken on by Paul and the Apostles in the New Testament.

And let me tell you this, I'm not a scholar of Islam by any means but from what I do know Muhammad was far more humane than his pagan opponents were.

[Stormopolis]

That's rich. Most of the slaves in human history were whites. A lot of them taken by, you guessed it, moslems!

1: proof? 2: Islam is a religion that does not revere Prophet Muhammad a god. The Holy Qur'an refers to Allah (SWT) a lot.

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