Knife attack in Munich, 1 dead - Islamism or not?

[Alvecia]

Just when they are the most vunerable and open to suggestion? The most easily influenced?

Not a chance. Let them decide when they have a clue what the hell they are deciding.

Not really. If they want to go to a religious school after elementary, I think that they have enough mental capacity and experience to make a choice.

They really don't. Hell, kids are still open to suggestion right up into their late teens. If anything I'm compromising at 18.

[Washington Resistance Army]

>trying to greentext on NSG

Just stop.



Yeah, not nearly old enough. At least high school.

After elementary. That's good isn't it.

No it really isn't, kids aren't nearly old enough to make that much of a decision. I sure as shit didn't really understand religion until at least high school, and I was raised around it.

[Kubumba Tribe]

After elementary. That's good isn't it.

No it really isn't, kids aren't nearly old enough to make that much of a decision. I sure as shit didn't really understand religion until at least high school, and I was raised around it.

Oh. Then I guess high school (9th grade at least) they could make the choice of going to a religious school then.

[Urran]

Lone wolf attack perhaps? Isis has called for those. Seems similar to the separate hatchet attacks on a New York police officer and Canadian soldier a few years back.

[Alvecia]

Lone wolf attack perhaps? Isis has called for those. Seems similar to the separate hatchet attacks on a New York police officer and Canadian soldier a few years back.

Kind where my suspicions were going.

"Please notice me ISIS-senpai"

[Alvecia]

No it really isn't, kids aren't nearly old enough to make that much of a decision. I sure as shit didn't really understand religion until at least high school, and I was raised around it.

Oh. Then I guess high school (9th grade at least) they could make the choice of going to a religious school then.

Nope. They should at least be of age.
Take America for example, if kids can't be trusted to drink responsibly until they are 21 how on Earth are they gonna be able to make a decision about religion. A shit ton of adults still have trouble.

[Keshokif]

I don't want to be 'that guy', but I'm gonna have to be 'that guy' for a bit...
It's a phase.
Seriously, though, Islam has been a really advanced religion for a long time. While Christians were battling with each other, land-grabbing and in-fighting, the Muslim world was medically advanced, fairly unified (except for the odd Sunni-Shi'a rivalry), and geared towards technological advancements more than militaristic ones. They were tolerant of other faiths (especially Christians, contrary to other beliefs) allowing them the freedom to not serve in the military if they didn't want to. Sure, there was a tax for this, but remember, while this is happening, Christians in Europe were literally murdering Jews... Yeah, thought anti-Semetism was a thing of the 20th and 21st Centuries?
On top of this, Islam has actually been a religion of peace for the longest time. Sure, you could argue that the initial expansion of the Islamic Caliphate was violent, but every religion has had its own expansionist periods, and while Christianity managed to do this fairly peacefully, it was the exception, not the norm. Since that moment, most conflicts were Christian-initiated. What's more, when Richard I of England was captured by Saladin, the two developed a cordial relationship, leading to Saladin allowing Richard to leave peacefully. I highly doubt that would have ever happened in Christendom, even to a Christian leader. Heck, see what the English Kings did to the French during the 100-Years War.
Ismalic violence is an extremely recent thing, and it wasn't even a natural progression. When Western forces took over the Middle East and North Africa, two very prominent centres for Islam, who wouldn't expect them to go rogue? Compare this with early-20th Century Persia, a nation which, while possessing significant Western influence, managed to remain very civilised up until Islamist extremists, largely inspired by the oppression dealt by Western countries to their neighbours, took the place. Islamism is a product of Western stupidity and colonialism - case closed. Hence why colonialism is such a terrible thing. Every state which has been colonised by Westerners (and yet still has a large majority of the once-oppressed native peoples of the land) is doing either terribly or worse-off than Western powers. I think that, had the West taken a better approach to foreign countries, there would not be so much poverty and ethnic tension in the world today, and definitely no Islamic terrorism.
There is only one solution to a problem created by the hate of the west, and it is not to continue doing the same thing we've been doing for ages. The solution is to be open and caring. Yes, Islamic terrorism is a problem - I will never deny that. Human rights abuses in any form must be decried. However, the solution is not to drop bombs on Muslims, not to impose Western dominance on oppressed people and not to turn away all of them because of our own mistakes. We must be willing to demonstrate that we can learn. For if we don't, then this problem will only get worse.

(Edited for the thing about Persia.)

[Kubumba Tribe]

I don't want to be 'that guy', but I'm gonna have to be 'that guy' for a bit...
It's a phase.
Seriously, though, Islam has been a really advanced religion for a long time. While Christians were battling with each other, land-grabbing and in-fighting, the Muslim world was medically advanced, fairly unified (except for the odd Sunni-Shi'a rivalry), and geared towards technological advancements more than militaristic ones. They were tolerant of other faiths (especially Christians, contrary to other beliefs) allowing them the freedom to not serve in the military if they didn't want to. Sure, there was a tax for this, but remember, while this is happening, Christians in Europe were literally murdering Jews... Yeah, thought anti-Semetism was a thing of the 20th and 21st Centuries?
On top of this, Islam has actually been a religion of peace for the longest time. Sure, you could argue that the initial expansion of the Islamic Caliphate was violent, but every religion has had its own expansionist periods, and while Christianity managed to do this fairly peacefully, it was the exception, not the norm. Since that moment, most conflicts were Christian-initiated. What's more, when Richard I of England was captured by Saladin, the two developed a cordial relationship, leading to Saladin allowing Richard to leave peacefully. I highly doubt that would have ever happened in Christendom, even to a Christian leader. Heck, see what the English Kings did to the French during the 100-Years War.
Ismalic violence is an extremely recent thing, and it wasn't even a natural progression. When Western forces took over the Middle East and North Africa, two very prominent centres for Islam, who wouldn't expect them to go rogue? Compare this with Early Persia, a nation which, while possessing significant Western influence, managed to remain very civilised up until Islamist extremists, largely inspired by the oppression dealt by Western countries to their neighbours, took the place. Islamism is a product of Western stupidity and colonialism - case closed. Hence why colonialism is such a terrible thing. Every state which has been colonised by Westerners (and yet still has a large majority of the once-oppressed native peoples of the land) is doing either terribly or worse-off than Western powers. I think that, had the West taken a better approach to foreign countries, there would not be so much poverty and ethnic tension in the world today, and definitely no Islamic terrorism.
There is only one solution to a problem created by the hate of the west, and it is not to continue doing the same thing we've been doing for ages. The solution is to be open and caring. Yes, Islamic terrorism is a problem - I will never deny that. Human rights abuses in any form must be decried. However, the solution is not to drop bombs on Muslims, not to impose Western dominance on oppressed people and not to turn away all of them because of our own mistakes. We must be willing to demonstrate that we can learn. For if we don't, then this problem will only get worse.

Masha-Allah! Allahu Akbar! Alhamdulillah!

[Digital Planets]

I don't want to be 'that guy', but I'm gonna have to be 'that guy' for a bit...
It's a phase.
Seriously, though, Islam has been a really advanced religion for a long time. While Christians were battling with each other, land-grabbing and in-fighting, the Muslim world was medically advanced, fairly unified (except for the odd Sunni-Shi'a rivalry), and geared towards technological advancements more than militaristic ones. They were tolerant of other faiths (especially Christians, contrary to other beliefs) allowing them the freedom to not serve in the military if they didn't want to. Sure, there was a tax for this, but remember, while this is happening, Christians in Europe were literally murdering Jews... Yeah, thought anti-Semetism was a thing of the 20th and 21st Centuries?
On top of this, Islam has actually been a religion of peace for the longest time. Sure, you could argue that the initial expansion of the Islamic Caliphate was violent, but every religion has had its own expansionist periods, and while Christianity managed to do this fairly peacefully, it was the exception, not the norm. Since that moment, most conflicts were Christian-initiated. What's more, when Richard I of England was captured by Saladin, the two developed a cordial relationship, leading to Saladin allowing Richard to leave peacefully. I highly doubt that would have ever happened in Christendom, even to a Christian leader. Heck, see what the English Kings did to the French during the 100-Years War.
Ismalic violence is an extremely recent thing, and it wasn't even a natural progression. When Western forces took over the Middle East and North Africa, two very prominent centres for Islam, who wouldn't expect them to go rogue? Compare this with Early Persia, a nation which, while possessing significant Western influence, managed to remain very civilised up until Islamist extremists, largely inspired by the oppression dealt by Western countries to their neighbours, took the place. Islamism is a product of Western stupidity and colonialism - case closed. Hence why colonialism is such a terrible thing. Every state which has been colonised by Westerners (and yet still has a large majority of the once-oppressed native peoples of the land) is doing either terribly or worse-off than Western powers. I think that, had the West taken a better approach to foreign countries, there would not be so much poverty and ethnic tension in the world today, and definitely no Islamic terrorism.
There is only one solution to a problem created by the hate of the west, and it is not to continue doing the same thing we've been doing for ages. The solution is to be open and caring. Yes, Islamic terrorism is a problem - I will never deny that. Human rights abuses in any form must be decried. However, the solution is not to drop bombs on Muslims, not to impose Western dominance on oppressed people and not to turn away all of them because of our own mistakes. We must be willing to demonstrate that we can learn. For if we don't, then this problem will only get worse.

I don't know what you're going on with, but I'll have you know that one time I thought I was a bottle of mustard and said it was only a phase. Then my dad beat my ass and now I'm an unmedicated psychopath with a tendency to make references about cereal killers.

[Alvecia]

I don't want to be 'that guy', but I'm gonna have to be 'that guy' for a bit...
It's a phase.
Seriously, though, Islam has been a really advanced religion for a long time. While Christians were battling with each other, land-grabbing and in-fighting, the Muslim world was medically advanced, fairly unified (except for the odd Sunni-Shi'a rivalry), and geared towards technological advancements more than militaristic ones. They were tolerant of other faiths (especially Christians, contrary to other beliefs) allowing them the freedom to not serve in the military if they didn't want to. Sure, there was a tax for this, but remember, while this is happening, Christians in Europe were literally murdering Jews... Yeah, thought anti-Semetism was a thing of the 20th and 21st Centuries?
On top of this, Islam has actually been a religion of peace for the longest time. Sure, you could argue that the initial expansion of the Islamic Caliphate was violent, but every religion has had its own expansionist periods, and while Christianity managed to do this fairly peacefully, it was the exception, not the norm. Since that moment, most conflicts were Christian-initiated. What's more, when Richard I of England was captured by Saladin, the two developed a cordial relationship, leading to Saladin allowing Richard to leave peacefully. I highly doubt that would have ever happened in Christendom, even to a Christian leader. Heck, see what the English Kings did to the French during the 100-Years War.
Ismalic violence is an extremely recent thing, and it wasn't even a natural progression. When Western forces took over the Middle East and North Africa, two very prominent centres for Islam, who wouldn't expect them to go rogue? Compare this with Early Persia, a nation which, while possessing significant Western influence, managed to remain very civilised up until Islamist extremists, largely inspired by the oppression dealt by Western countries to their neighbours, took the place. Islamism is a product of Western stupidity and colonialism - case closed. Hence why colonialism is such a terrible thing. Every state which has been colonised by Westerners (and yet still has a large majority of the once-oppressed native peoples of the land) is doing either terribly or worse-off than Western powers. I think that, had the West taken a better approach to foreign countries, there would not be so much poverty and ethnic tension in the world today, and definitely no Islamic terrorism.
There is only one solution to a problem created by the hate of the west, and it is not to continue doing the same thing we've been doing for ages. The solution is to be open and caring. Yes, Islamic terrorism is a problem - I will never deny that. Human rights abuses in any form must be decried. However, the solution is not to drop bombs on Muslims, not to impose Western dominance on oppressed people and not to turn away all of them because of our own mistakes. We must be willing to demonstrate that we can learn. For if we don't, then this problem will only get worse.

Hard to feel sympathy for that position given the aforementioned human rights abuses.

Also can I bring up this point, cause it's been on my mind for a while now, and I know it's gonna be unpopular with many but hear me out.

[rant]
Fucking "Western Imperialism"
I don't buy it.
I mean sure, I get that during the colonial periods we did some fucked up shit, and I get that in the not too distant past there been some other fucked up shit, but really at this point every time I see someone cry "Western Imperialism" or "Western Dominance" or anything like that it pisses me right off.
There comes a point where you have to stop blaming others for your misfortune and start blaming yourself for doing fuck all about it and I think that time has past.
It turned from a legit excuse to something a whiny 20 something might use to justify living in his parents basement.
So I don't know, you can sit there and cry "It's not our fault" or you can stand up, dust yourself off and start making the most of what you've got.

[/rant]

[Kubumba Tribe]

I don't want to be 'that guy', but I'm gonna have to be 'that guy' for a bit...
It's a phase.
Seriously, though, Islam has been a really advanced religion for a long time. While Christians were battling with each other, land-grabbing and in-fighting, the Muslim world was medically advanced, fairly unified (except for the odd Sunni-Shi'a rivalry), and geared towards technological advancements more than militaristic ones. They were tolerant of other faiths (especially Christians, contrary to other beliefs) allowing them the freedom to not serve in the military if they didn't want to. Sure, there was a tax for this, but remember, while this is happening, Christians in Europe were literally murdering Jews... Yeah, thought anti-Semetism was a thing of the 20th and 21st Centuries?
On top of this, Islam has actually been a religion of peace for the longest time. Sure, you could argue that the initial expansion of the Islamic Caliphate was violent, but every religion has had its own expansionist periods, and while Christianity managed to do this fairly peacefully, it was the exception, not the norm. Since that moment, most conflicts were Christian-initiated. What's more, when Richard I of England was captured by Saladin, the two developed a cordial relationship, leading to Saladin allowing Richard to leave peacefully. I highly doubt that would have ever happened in Christendom, even to a Christian leader. Heck, see what the English Kings did to the French during the 100-Years War.
Ismalic violence is an extremely recent thing, and it wasn't even a natural progression. When Western forces took over the Middle East and North Africa, two very prominent centres for Islam, who wouldn't expect them to go rogue? Compare this with Early Persia, a nation which, while possessing significant Western influence, managed to remain very civilised up until Islamist extremists, largely inspired by the oppression dealt by Western countries to their neighbours, took the place. Islamism is a product of Western stupidity and colonialism - case closed. Hence why colonialism is such a terrible thing. Every state which has been colonised by Westerners (and yet still has a large majority of the once-oppressed native peoples of the land) is doing either terribly or worse-off than Western powers. I think that, had the West taken a better approach to foreign countries, there would not be so much poverty and ethnic tension in the world today, and definitely no Islamic terrorism.
There is only one solution to a problem created by the hate of the west, and it is not to continue doing the same thing we've been doing for ages. The solution is to be open and caring. Yes, Islamic terrorism is a problem - I will never deny that. Human rights abuses in any form must be decried. However, the solution is not to drop bombs on Muslims, not to impose Western dominance on oppressed people and not to turn away all of them because of our own mistakes. We must be willing to demonstrate that we can learn. For if we don't, then this problem will only get worse.

Hard to feel sympathy for that position given the aforementioned human rights abuses.

Also can I bring up this point, cause it's been on my mind for a while now, and I know it's gonna be unpopular with many but hear me out.

[rant]
Fucking "Western Imperialism"
I don't buy it.
I mean sure, I get that during the colonial periods we did some fucked up shit, and I get that in the not too distant past there been some other fucked up shit, but really at this point every time I see someone cry "Western Imperialism" or "Western Dominance" or anything like that it pisses me right off.
There comes a point where you have to stop blaming others for your misfortune and start blaming yourself for doing fuck all about it and I think that time has past.
It turned from a legit excuse to something a whiny 20 something might use to justify living in his parents basement.
So I don't know, you can sit there and cry "It's not our fault" or you can stand up, dust yourself off and start making the most of what you've got.

[/rant]

I partially agree, but the West sucks imo. They need to pay reparations (not necessarily monetary, but that'd be nice) to the nations they effed up. So the East needs to get itself to it's feet again, with the West's help (BUT THE WEST BETTER NOT DO ANY IMPERIALIST BS AGAIN WHILE THEY'RE HELPING. Why am I even trusting the West to help the East anyway?)

[Alvecia]

Hard to feel sympathy for that position given the aforementioned human rights abuses.

Also can I bring up this point, cause it's been on my mind for a while now, and I know it's gonna be unpopular with many but hear me out.

[rant]
Fucking "Western Imperialism"
I don't buy it.
I mean sure, I get that during the colonial periods we did some fucked up shit, and I get that in the not too distant past there been some other fucked up shit, but really at this point every time I see someone cry "Western Imperialism" or "Western Dominance" or anything like that it pisses me right off.
There comes a point where you have to stop blaming others for your misfortune and start blaming yourself for doing fuck all about it and I think that time has past.
It turned from a legit excuse to something a whiny 20 something might use to justify living in his parents basement.
So I don't know, you can sit there and cry "It's not our fault" or you can stand up, dust yourself off and start making the most of what you've got.

[/rant]

I partially agree, but the West sucks imo. They need to pay reparations (not necessarily monetary, but that'd be nice) to the nations they effed up. So the East needs to get itself to it's feet again, with the West's help (BUT THE WEST BETTER NOT DO ANY IMPERIALIST BS AGAIN WHILE THEY'RE HELPING. Why am I even trusting the West to help the East anyway?)

Pssh. As if they'd ever accept.
"Hey would you like some monetary compensation?"
"Economic Imperialism!!"
"Oh, well what about some trade goods?"
"Cultural Imperialism!!!!"
"Sorry, how about some on the ground aid?"
"Imperialist pig dogs!!!!!1!"

[Kubumba Tribe]

I partially agree, but the West sucks imo. They need to pay reparations (not necessarily monetary, but that'd be nice) to the nations they effed up. So the East needs to get itself to it's feet again, with the West's help (BUT THE WEST BETTER NOT DO ANY IMPERIALIST BS AGAIN WHILE THEY'RE HELPING. Why am I even trusting the West to help the East anyway?)

Pssh. As if they'd ever accept.
"Hey would you like some monetary compensation?"
"Economic Imperialism!!"
"Oh, well what about some trade goods?"
"Cultural Imperialism!!!!"
"Sorry, how about some on the ground aid?"
"Imperialist pig dogs!!!!!1!"

I agree with them. You can't trust someone who's messed you up for the longest.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Pssh. As if they'd ever accept.
"Hey would you like some monetary compensation?"
"Economic Imperialism!!"
"Oh, well what about some trade goods?"
"Cultural Imperialism!!!!"
"Sorry, how about some on the ground aid?"
"Imperialist pig dogs!!!!!1!"

I agree with them. You can't trust someone who's messed you up for the longest.

Even if the West was 'helping', there'd probably be some kind of unequal payback. Or not even help at all, just a foil to screw the East over again.

[Alvecia]

Pssh. As if they'd ever accept.
"Hey would you like some monetary compensation?"
"Economic Imperialism!!"
"Oh, well what about some trade goods?"
"Cultural Imperialism!!!!"
"Sorry, how about some on the ground aid?"
"Imperialist pig dogs!!!!!1!"

I agree with them. You can't trust someone who's messed you up for the longest.

"I think the West should pay compensation, but I would never accept any compensation from the West"
Make your mind up.

[Kubumba Tribe]

I agree with them. You can't trust someone who's messed you up for the longest.

"I think the West should pay compensation, but I would never accept any compensation from the West"
Make your mind up.

That's the problem. How do you trust someone to pay you back, yet has conned you out of your money, land, people, culture, etc.?

[Alvecia]

"I think the West should pay compensation, but I would never accept any compensation from the West"
Make your mind up.

That's the problem. How do you trust someone to pay you back, yet has conned you out of your money, land, people, culture, etc.?

If you think you can't trust them then don't expect pay back.
Either you'll accept it or you won't.

[Kubumba Tribe]

That's the problem. How do you trust someone to pay you back, yet has conned you out of your money, land, people, culture, etc.?

If you think you can't trust them then don't expect pay back.
Either you'll accept it or you won't.

I guess you're right.

[New Benian Republic]

Pssh. As if they'd ever accept.
"Hey would you like some monetary compensation?"
"Economic Imperialism!!"
"Oh, well what about some trade goods?"
"Cultural Imperialism!!!!"
"Sorry, how about some on the ground aid?"
"Imperialist pig dogs!!!!!1!"

I agree with them. You can't trust someone who's messed you up for the longest.

I agree as well.

[Alvecia]

I agree with them. You can't trust someone who's messed you up for the longest.

I agree as well.

Can't say I'm surprised.

[Wisconsia]

see how many were muslim terrorist attacks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_t ... e_2016#May

[New Benian Republic]

I agree as well.

Can't say I'm surprised.

I atleast don't hide what I think and feel. I feel like I'm a lot better than those whom lie only to stab you in the back. Plus you wouldn't exactly understand as your country has almost never been fucked over.

[Alvecia]

see how many were muslim terrorist attacks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_t ... e_2016#May

What of it?

[Kubumba Tribe]

see how many were muslim terrorist attacks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_t ... e_2016#May

0

[Alvecia]

Can't say I'm surprised.

I atleast don't hide what I think and feel. I feel like I'm a lot better than those whom lie only to stab you in the back. Plus you wouldn't exactly understand as your country has almost never been fucked over.

Idk, there was that one time we got double teamed by the French and the Norwegians.
But this is hardly the place.