Knife attack in Munich, 1 dead - Islamism or not?

[Alvecia]

Why do y'all disagree to it? If a kid likes being Christian, he/she should be educated in a Christian way. Same for a Muslim, Jew, Buddhist, Hindu. Hey, you know what we could do that'd be awesome? Make and Islamic, Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Secular etc. curriculum! I'd love that! I don't know about y'all though, y'all'd probably hate/dislike it.

That's not the problem, it's the teaching kids religion in the first place.
Imagine if it were politics instead of religion. People would be super pissed off if someone proposed teaching kids all about how the left wing is the right party to vote for, or if the right wing were the only good choice.

By "getting to them" so early you're planting ideas in their heads before they have the chance to develop enough to make their own informed decisions. You're essentially taking away their choice. That's how I see it.

Vauged up the political parties for convenience sake

[Kubumba Tribe]

You're not really getting the full scale though if you do it in your own time.

And?

And it'd be better to get the full scale.

[Alvecia]

And?

And it'd be better to get the full scale.

Better for who? The child? Or the religion who wants more members?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Or everyone could just get a normal education and do religious studies on their own time.

You're not really getting the full scale though if you do it in your own time. I think that, according to one's religion, he/she should do that religious curriculum. If he/she isn't religious, he/she just goes to a secular education curriculum.

Yes you are, there's a ton of religious people (even on this very forum) who do their religious learnings in their spare time. Not to mention you run into the problem of children being forced into these things with no choice of their own.

[Napkiraly]

And?

And it'd be better to get the full scale.

Which is something to do on their own time. Like Sunday school and the like.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Why do y'all disagree to it? If a kid likes being Christian, he/she should be educated in a Christian way. Same for a Muslim, Jew, Buddhist, Hindu. Hey, you know what we could do that'd be awesome? Make and Islamic, Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Secular etc. curriculum! I'd love that! I don't know about y'all though, y'all'd probably hate/dislike it.

That's not the problem, it's the teaching kids religion in the first place.
Imagine if it were politics instead of religion. People would be super pissed off if someone proposed teaching kids all about how the left wing is the right party to vote for, or if the right wing were the only good choice.

By "getting to them" so early you're planting ideas in their heads before they have the chance to develop enough to make their own informed decisions. You're essentially taking away their choice. That's how I see it.

Vauged up the political parties for convenience sake

Hm. I know this probably isn't a good example, but in my masjid's school (which I went to - my first year there! ), they asked a lot of questions about Al-Islam, young and old. In fact, the teachers had to look it up themselves, the questions were so good.

[Kubumba Tribe]

And it'd be better to get the full scale.

Better for who? The child? Or the religion who wants more members?

Well I was thinking about the child. If the child feels he/she likes his/her religion, then he/she should go to said religious curriculum.

[Napkiraly]

Better for who? The child? Or the religion who wants more members?

Well I was thinking about the child. If the child feels he/she likes his/her religion, then he/she should go to said religious curriculum.

Secular education means all kids get to have the same educational experience and interact properly with one another.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Better for who? The child? Or the religion who wants more members?

Well I was thinking about the child. If the child feels he/she likes his/her religion, then he/she should go to said religious curriculum.

Far more often than not the child has no say in the matter.

[Kubumba Tribe]

And it'd be better to get the full scale.

Which is something to do on their own time. Like Sunday school and the like.

True, but Sunday school doesn't have the same influence a regular school has. Unless there was/is a way to make that happen...

[Alvecia]

Better for who? The child? Or the religion who wants more members?

Well I was thinking about the child. If the child feels he/she likes his/her religion, then he/she should go to said religious curriculum.

The kid probably won't "like" a religion unless they've been told how good it is by some kind of authority figure. Kids are more logical and deductive than most people give them credit for, unfortunately for the most part they'll trust anything an authority figure says without question.
Influencing them that young is morally despicable imo.

Edit:

Which is something to do on their own time. Like Sunday school and the like.

True, but Sunday school doesn't have the same influence a regular school has. Unless there was/is a way to make that happen...

Influencing them that young is morally despicable imo.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Well I was thinking about the child. If the child feels he/she likes his/her religion, then he/she should go to said religious curriculum.

Secular education means all kids get to have the same educational experience and interact properly with one another.

Same for religious education - at least if the teacher isn't prejudice, even though that happens in secular education anyway.

[Alvecia]

Secular education means all kids get to have the same educational experience and interact properly with one another.

Same for religious education - at least if the teacher isn't prejudice, even though that happens in secular education anyway.

At least a secular teacher will get smacked round the back of the head for it. Religious schools encourage prejudice.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Well I was thinking about the child. If the child feels he/she likes his/her religion, then he/she should go to said religious curriculum.

The kid probably won't "like" a religion unless they've been told how good it is by some kind of authority figure. Kids are more logical and deductive than most people give them credit for, unfortunately for the most part they'll trust anything an authority figure says without question.
Influencing them that young is morally despicable imo.

Edit:

True, but Sunday school doesn't have the same influence a regular school has. Unless there was/is a way to make that happen...

Influencing them that young is morally despicable imo.

You just gave me an idea. How about the kid learns about different religions, then finds out which one he/she likes most?

[Kubumba Tribe]

Same for religious education - at least if the teacher isn't prejudice, even though that happens in secular education anyway.

At least a secular teacher will get smacked round the back of the head for it. Religious schools encourage prejudice.

Not always.

[Souseiseki]

>inb4 this is not real islam.
>inb4 he was traumatised by war
>inb4 welcome refugees
>inb4 relgion of peace

kek

in during he was a born german citizen with no immigration background, he was a drug addict and had been committed to a psychiatric institution before, he might not even be muslim

there is a reason we keep telling people not to make stupid posts like this but they never listen

[Kubumba Tribe]

>inb4 this is not real islam.
>inb4 he was traumatised by war
>inb4 welcome refugees
>inb4 relgion of peace

kek

in b4 he was a born german citizen, he was a drug addict and had been committed to a psychiatric institution before, he might not even be muslim

there is a reason we keep telling people not to make stupid posts like this but they never listen

>Like<

[Alvecia]

The kid probably won't "like" a religion unless they've been told how good it is by some kind of authority figure. Kids are more logical and deductive than most people give them credit for, unfortunately for the most part they'll trust anything an authority figure says without question.
Influencing them that young is morally despicable imo.

Edit:

You just gave me an idea. How about the kid learns about different religions, then finds out which one he/she likes most?

Sure.

When they are old enough to make an informed decision.
About 18, give or take, sounds good to me.

At least a secular teacher will get smacked round the back of the head for it. Religious schools encourage prejudice.

Not always.

I'd say yes always. Even if it is not explicitly encouraged, there is always the underlying "you will take part in this religious ceremony", "you will take part in these practices with the rest of the school".
Why?
"Because it's right"

Several years of that isn't that far removed from brainwashing.
Yup, I went there

[Bulgarija]

>inb4 this is not real islam.
>inb4 he was traumatised by war
>inb4 welcome refugees
>inb4 relgion of peace

kek

in during he was a born german citizen with no immigration background, he was a drug addict and had been committed to a psychiatric institution before, he might not even be muslim

there is a reason we keep telling people not to make stupid posts like this but they never listen

>implying german media and government has any creditability after cologne.

[Napkiraly]

Secular education means all kids get to have the same educational experience and interact properly with one another.

Same for religious education - at least if the teacher isn't prejudice, even though that happens in secular education anyway.

No, simply because there would be differences based on the different religious tenets of each religion.

[Kubumba Tribe]

You just gave me an idea. How about the kid learns about different religions, then finds out which one he/she likes most?

Sure.

When they are old enough to make an informed decision.
About 18, give or take, sounds good to me.

Not always.

I'd say yes always. Even if it is not explicitly encouraged, there is always the underlying "you will take part in this religious ceremony", "you will take part in these practices with the rest of the school".
Why?
"Because it's right"

Several years of that isn't that far removed from brainwashing.
Yup, I went there

Not 18, I was thinking more like...maybe after elementary or after early elementary?

[Washington Resistance Army]

in during he was a born german citizen with no immigration background, he was a drug addict and had been committed to a psychiatric institution before, he might not even be muslim

there is a reason we keep telling people not to make stupid posts like this but they never listen

>implying german media and government has any creditability after cologne.

>trying to greentext on NSG

Just stop.

Sure.

When they are old enough to make an informed decision.
About 18, give or take, sounds good to me.


I'd say yes always. Even if it is not explicitly encouraged, there is always the underlying "you will take part in this religious ceremony", "you will take part in these practices with the rest of the school".
Why?
"Because it's right"

Several years of that isn't that far removed from brainwashing.
Yup, I went there

Not 18, I was thinking more like...maybe after elementary or after early elementary?

Yeah, not nearly old enough. At least high school.

[Kubumba Tribe]

>implying german media and government has any creditability after cologne.

>trying to greentext on NSG

Just stop.

Not 18, I was thinking more like...maybe after elementary or after early elementary?

Yeah, not nearly old enough. At least high school.

After elementary. That's good isn't it.

[Alvecia]

Sure.

When they are old enough to make an informed decision.
About 18, give or take, sounds good to me.


I'd say yes always. Even if it is not explicitly encouraged, there is always the underlying "you will take part in this religious ceremony", "you will take part in these practices with the rest of the school".
Why?
"Because it's right"

Several years of that isn't that far removed from brainwashing.
Yup, I went there

Not 18, I was thinking more like...maybe after elementary or after early elementary?

Just when they are the most vunerable and open to suggestion? The most easily influenced?

Not a chance. Let them decide when they have a clue what the hell they are deciding.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Not 18, I was thinking more like...maybe after elementary or after early elementary?

Just when they are the most vunerable and open to suggestion? The most easily influenced?

Not a chance. Let them decide when they have a clue what the hell they are deciding.

Not really. If they want to go to a religious school after elementary, I think that they have enough mental capacity and experience to make a choice.