Knife attack in Munich, 1 dead - Islamism or not?

[Baltenstein]

One person has been killed and several injured in a knife attack by a suspected Islamist at a railway station near Munich.

The suspect shouted “Allahu Akbar” (“God is great”) as he started stabbing passers-by in the town of Grafing, to the south-east of the German city, the Süddeutsche Zeitung reported.

The attack took place at around 4.50am on Tuesday and the suspected perpetrator was arrested shortly afterwards.

A spokesperson at the Bavarian state criminal investigation office told The Independent one of the victims was initially in a critical condition but died later in hospital.

Three other men were injured, one seriously. The spokesperson said she could not confirm whether the attack was terror-related or give information on any suspected motive.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 21816.html

So yeah, this just happened.

While shouts of "Allahuh Akhbar" were involved, I'm not sure if this can be classified as Islamist terrorism, as it seems to have been the work of a lone psycho without any sort of long-term preparation. It also happened at a daytime when train station would be mostly empty, further indicating that the perpetrator just snapped in the middle of the night.

Needless to say, it will still add fuel to the Right-wing's current rise.

[The Huskar Social Union]

One person has been killed and several injured in a knife attack by a suspected Islamist at a railway station near Munich.

The suspect shouted “Allahu Akbar” (“God is great”) as he started stabbing passers-by in the town of Grafing, to the south-east of the German city, the Süddeutsche Zeitung reported.

The attack took place at around 4.50am on Tuesday and the suspected perpetrator was arrested shortly afterwards.

A spokesperson at the Bavarian state criminal investigation office told The Independent one of the victims was initially in a critical condition but died later in hospital.

Three other men were injured, one seriously. The spokesperson said she could not confirm whether the attack was terror-related or give information on any suspected motive.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 21816.html

So yeah, this just happened.

While shouts of "Allahuh Akhbar" were involved, I'm not sure if this can be classified as Islamist terrorism, as it seems to have been the work of a lone psycho without any sort of long-term preparation. It also happened at a daytime when train station would be mostly empty, further indicating that the perpetrator just snapped in the middle of the night.

Needless to say, it will still add fuel to the Right-wing's current rise.

Hope the other man seriously wounded does not die.

Lock this bastard up for a long time.

[West Aurelia]

Obviously we can't know for sure yet, but it's likely an Islamist attack as the suspect shouted the Takbīr.

[Baltenstein]

Obviously we can't know for sure yet, but it's likely an Islamist attack as the suspect shouted the Takbīr.

I think, in order for it to be an Islamist attack, planning and intention has to be involved.

By the looks of this one, though, it appears that the guy ran amok and went on a random killing spree.

[Herskerstad]

It's too early to give a conclusion on it, but short of a false flag it is looking grim.

I suspect a sympathiser rather than a connected Islamist for obvious reasons.

[West Aurelia]

It's too early to give a conclusion on it, but short of a false flag it is looking grim.

I suspect a sympathiser rather than a connected Islamist for obvious reasons.

Yeah, small attacks like these are rarely connected to a group like IS or al Qaeda.

[Napkiraly]

Obviously we can't know for sure yet, but it's likely an Islamist attack as the suspect shouted the Takbīr.

I think, in order for it to be an Islamist attack, planning and intention has to be involved.

Why?

Someone can hold the beliefs and still in a spur decide to act upon those beliefs if something related to those beliefs set them off. Further, we have no proof if this was planned or not.

Planned =/= complicated or well thought out it simply has to mean him going "Tomorrow morning, I'm gonna go stab some people in the name of Islam".

[West Aurelia]

I think, in order for it to be an Islamist attack, planning and intention has to be involved.

Why?

Someone can hold the beliefs and still in a spur decide to act upon those beliefs if something related to those beliefs set them off. Further, we have no proof if this was planned or not.

Planned =/= complicated or well thought out it simply has to mean him going "Tomorrow morning, I'm gonna go stab some people in the name of Islam".

I'd say planning isn't required at all - only intention at the time of the act. If the perpetrator just snaps and says, "I'm gonna go stab some people in the name of Islam," that is an Islamist attack.

[Baltenstein]

I think, in order for it to be an Islamist attack, planning and intention has to be involved.

Why?

Someone can hold the beliefs and still in a spur decide to act upon those beliefs if something related to those beliefs set them off. Further, we have no proof if this was planned or not.

Planned =/= complicated or well thought out it simply has to mean him going "Tomorrow morning, I'm gonna go stab some people in the name of Islam".

I'll rephrase it "in order for it to be a terrorist attack".

Because I think that one most definitely is about scale and long-term planning.
If, for example, three Neo Nazis would get wasted at their local bar and afterwards beat some poor Person of Color to death, this would most probably not count as "right-wing terrorism".

[Napkiraly]

Why?

Someone can hold the beliefs and still in a spur decide to act upon those beliefs if something related to those beliefs set them off. Further, we have no proof if this was planned or not.

Planned =/= complicated or well thought out it simply has to mean him going "Tomorrow morning, I'm gonna go stab some people in the name of Islam".

I'll rephrase it "in order for it to be a terrorist attack".

Because I think that one most definitely is about scale and long-term planning.
If, for example, three Neo Nazis would get wasted at their local bar and afterwards beat some poor Person of Color to death, this would most probably not count as "right-wing terrorism".

Before you weren't specifying terrorism, merely Islamist related attack which is what I was addressing.

[Herskerstad]

Why?

Someone can hold the beliefs and still in a spur decide to act upon those beliefs if something related to those beliefs set them off. Further, we have no proof if this was planned or not.

Planned =/= complicated or well thought out it simply has to mean him going "Tomorrow morning, I'm gonna go stab some people in the name of Islam".

I'll rephrase it "in order for it to be a terrorist attack".

Because I think that one most definitely is about scale and long-term planning.
If, for example, three Neo Nazis would get wasted at their local bar and afterwards beat some poor Person of Color to death, this would most probably not count as "right-wing terrorism".

I do think if the same chapter would have put out a statement saying that the right wing factions will start to systematically kill racial minorities then we would have a case of terrorism even if there was only a single causality.

Creating terror, that is fear or a grander scale of wanton violence, has a particularly negative societal effect which is why it most be prosecuted all the more vigorously.

[Braecland]

Obviously

[Vassenor]

Do we just assume Islamist until proven otherwise now or something?

[Braecland]

It's too early to give a conclusion on it, but short of a false flag it is looking grim.

I suspect a sympathiser rather than a connected Islamist for obvious reasons.

So an islamist then.

[Braecland]

Do we just assume Islamist until proven otherwise now or something?

He was shouting "Allahu Akbar!" while stabbing people with a knife, clearly a Christian extremist

[West Aurelia]

Do we just assume Islamist until proven otherwise now or something?

Shouting the Takbīr is a pretty good indicator of Islamism.

[Herskerstad]

It's too early to give a conclusion on it, but short of a false flag it is looking grim.

I suspect a sympathiser rather than a connected Islamist for obvious reasons.

So an islamist then.

Indicatively it would seem that way, only evidence to the contrary can dispel that notion.

[Neues Nationalsozialistiches Reich]

I think this is either:

• A Muslim snapped and went on a rampage.

• A planned Islamist attack.

• Some random person snapped and cried out "Allahu Ackbar" to scare people while he went on a rampage.

• A false flag attack.

[Frank Zipper]

Did he mention quadratic equations or integrals?

[West Aurelia]

I think this is either:

• A Muslim snapped and went on a rampage.

• A planned Islamist attack.

• Some random person snapped and cried out "Allahu Ackbar" to scare people while he went on a rampage.

• A false flag attack.

Last two are pretty darn unlikely.

[Vassenor]

It feels like we're getting to the point where I could smash someone's skull in with a cricket bat while screaming DEUS VULT and people would still claim it was an Islamist attack.

[Stormopolis]

I dunno, you guys. I'm thinking this was another one of those dastardly zoroastrianists again. /sarcasm

Why is the thread even in a question form? How much more obvious do you want it to be? You want the guy to hand over his credentials as an official moslem before he stabs you? It's islam. Violence is what they do. Violence, hatred, misogyny, rape, slavery, all happily wrapped up in a religious blanket. Is this islamism or not...where have you been the past decade?

[Vassenor]

Violence is what they do. Violence, hatred, misogyny, rape, slavery, all happily wrapped up in a religious blanket.

[citation needed]

[Baltenstein]

German police says that the perpetrator was an ethnic German with no immigration background.

[Stormopolis]

Violence is what they do. Violence, hatred, misogyny, rape, slavery, all happily wrapped up in a religious blanket.

[citation needed]

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ Here's your citation, buddy.