60% of Germans - Islam Does Not Belong In Germany.

[Wallenburg]

Then I suppose you haven't actually read your own scriptures, considering what the Law is in that context. Either that or you don't understand even basic implications of speech in the context of the religion of Judaism. Take your pick.

No, you are just cherry picking.

"Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?" And he said to him, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments depend all the law and the prophets."

Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath; his disciples were hungry, and they began to pluck heads of grain and to eat. But when the Pharisees saw it, they said to him, "Look, your disciples are doing what is not lawful to do on the Sabbath." He said to them, "Have you not read what David did, when he was hungry, and those who were with him: how he entered the house of God and ate the bread of the Presence, which it was not lawful for him to eat nor for those who were with him, but only for the priests? Or have you not read in the law how on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath, and are guiltless? I tell you, something greater than the temple is here. And if you had known what this means, ‘I desire mercy, and not sacrifice,’ you would not have condemned the guiltless. For the Son of man is lord of the Sabbath." (Matt. 12:1-8)

Christians are not the Jews. They have never been obligated to follow Jewish law unthinkingly and they never have in any significant number.

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished." (Matthew 5:17-18)

[The East Marches]

He was right you know. You only had to listen.

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Yeah but an Eco-terrorist killed him.

Pls liek if cri evrytiem

[Netherlands Mualenia]

I haven't seen a single post with actual evidence. Besides, Americans don't live in the situation and dismiss it because it suits you better to have a submissive islamic Europe. Instead, we are supposed to suffer for your little hegemony over Europe.

We aren't the ones who are making you commit suicide. Thats of your own retarded ideas. Its been happening since before the U.S. even shifted slightly left. Pim Fortuyn tried to warn you, then got shot as a reward for his hard work.

Oh, we'd love to kick these muslims out once and for all. Sadly enough, however, we are an American satellite, and Obama wouldn't want one of his satellites to wander off and actually create a future for itself!

[Conserative Morality]

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished." (Matthew 5:17-18)

Contradictions mean his interpretation wins and Christianity is all good and Islam is pure evil.

[Wallenburg]

Liar! You are still typing!

Maybe he's using his other hand?

We all know what he's using his other hand for.

Hehe, just kidding Zoice.

[Novorobo]

Seriously though, why all the hate for Islam? It's no worse than all the other religions out there. Is it because of ISIS? If so then I find that a completely laughable reason, since the biggest victims of ISIS have been Muslims themselves.

Doesn't that only go to show why it's even worse? At least Jews get along with other Jews. Even Christians at worst destroy buildings owned by other Christians, not behead helpless Christian captives.

People don't bat an eyelid when ISIS slaughters thousands of Muslims in the Middle East every week, but kill one Christian or one Westerner and only then is there outcry about it!

Because they wonder how the ISIS militant got in.

Of if the westerner is in Syria or Iraq, what they were doing there in the first place.

People need to realise that Islam and Muslims aren't the problem, ISIS are.

The Quran itself is only marginally less insane than ISIS. Even if ISIS is defeated altogether, that doesn't mean we're out of the woods.

[Crockerland]

Seriously though, why all the hate for Islam?

Because their religion teaches that it's acceptable to murder people?

It's no worse than all the other religions out there.

It's much, much worse.

Is it because of ISIS?

No? What's with this strawman bullshit?

If so then I find that a completely laughable reason, since the biggest victims of ISIS have been Muslims themselves. People don't bat an eyelid when ISIS slaughters thousands of Muslims in the Middle East every week, but kill one Christian or one Westerner and only then is there outcry about it!

Good thing ISIS isn't the reason anyone besides your strawman is against Islam.

People need to realise that Islam and Muslims aren't the problem, ISIS are.

ISIS is just doing what Islam teaches. Fight those who don't believe in Allah (Quran 9:123), strike off their heads (Quran 8:12), don't take the Jews and Christians as friends (Quran 5:51)

The sooner people realise that they aren't the same, the sooner we can get back to sorting out the very real problem that is ISIS.

They are following the Quran word-for-word and following in Muhammad's (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) footsteps of conquest and hatred.

[Great Feng]

We aren't the ones who are making you commit suicide. Thats of your own retarded ideas. Its been happening since before the U.S. even shifted slightly left. Pim Fortuyn tried to warn you, then got shot as a reward for his hard work.

Oh, we'd love to kick these muslims out once and for all. Sadly enough, however, we are an American satellite, and Obama wouldn't want one of his satellites to wander off and actually create a future for itself!

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished." (Matthew 5:17-18)
The Bible says this to Christians.
So Christians are to also do what Jews did.
Mind if I show you all the other quotes from the Torah that makes it clear that the Bible is okay with the harsh cruel old Jewish laws?

[Conserative Morality]

Oh, we'd love to kick these muslims out once and for all. Sadly enough, however, we are an American satellite, and Obama wouldn't want one of his satellites to wander off and actually create a future for itself!

Wow. It's pretty pathetic that you're so chained to another country. Even Turkey has the balls to pursue goals independent of or contradicting American goals.

I guess it's because they have Muslims, though, which you hate. Muslims must be America's kryptonite.

[Ostroeuropa]

Oop, looks like we got another one.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4e9_1462455036

I wonder if the police were too scared to do anything this time

[The East Marches]

We aren't the ones who are making you commit suicide. Thats of your own retarded ideas. Its been happening since before the U.S. even shifted slightly left. Pim Fortuyn tried to warn you, then got shot as a reward for his hard work.

Oh, we'd love to kick these muslims out once and for all. Sadly enough, however, we are an American satellite, and Obama wouldn't want one of his satellites to wander off and actually create a future for itself!

If that were true, you'd have done it under the Bush years. You guys had multiple chances to stop but choose to stamp down on the accelerator and go anyway. You've got nobody to blame but yourselves.

[Netherlands Mualenia]

Oh, we'd love to kick these muslims out once and for all. Sadly enough, however, we are an American satellite, and Obama wouldn't want one of his satellites to wander off and actually create a future for itself!

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished." (Matthew 5:17-18)
The Bible says this to Christians.
So Christians are to also do what Jews did.
Mind if I show you all the other quotes from the Torah that makes it clear that the Bible is okay with the harsh cruel old Jewish laws?

May I remind you that the majority of the Netherlands is atheist or agnostic?

Besides, we are civilised, a lot of this world is clearly not when they follow these imbecilic books of a desert deity.

[Great Feng]

Oop, looks like we got another one.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4e9_1462455036

Tbh the Catholic church does the same thing as do the Mormons, they just manage to hide it because they're the dominant religion in Europe.

[Wallenburg]

Oop, looks like we got another one.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4e9_1462455036

I wonder if the police were too scared to do anything this time

A criminal case was opened immediately. Do you bother actually paying attention to ANYTHING you talk about?

[The Rebel Alliances]

So...you're going to dismiss it all? Just because they are foreigners? Not even going to bother check the evidence they're showing you, and dismiss it without giving it a reasonable look?
People liken you are give me a headache.

I haven't seen a single post with actual evidence. Besides, Americans don't live in the situation and dismiss it because it suits you better to have a submissive islamic Europe. Instead, we are supposed to suffer for your little hegemony over Europe.

2.190. Fight against those who fight against you in the way of Allah, but do not transgress, for Allah does not love transgressors.

2.192. Then if they desist, know well that Allah is Ever-Forgiving, Most Compassionate.

2.193. Keep on fighting against them until mischief ends and the way prescribed by Allah prevails. But if they desist, then know that hostility is only against the wrong-doers.

Just a few verses on the subject on Jihad. Not very extreme.

[Imperializt Russia]

Oop, looks like we got another one.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4e9_1462455036

I wonder if the police were too scared to do anything this time

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05 ... of-fred-a/

[Fascist Russian Empire]

Don't know if Conservative Morality can, but I already did it, several pages ago, and you conveniently ignored it.

I give you the Skeptic's Annotated Bible.

Featuring delightful passages such as:

Leviticus 20:13

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Leviticus 24:16

And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall be put to death.

Leviticus 20:27

A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them.

Numbers 33:50-56

And the LORD spake unto Moses in the plains of Moab by Jordan near Jericho, saying,
Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye are passed over Jordan into the land of Canaan;
Then ye shall drive out all the inhabitants of the land from before you, and destroy all their pictures, and destroy all their molten images, and quite pluck down all their high places:
And ye shall dispossess the inhabitants of the land, and dwell therein: for I have given you the land to possess it.
And ye shall divide the land by lot for an inheritance among your families: and to the more ye shall give the more inheritance, and to the fewer ye shall give the less inheritance: every man's inheritance shall be in the place where his lot falleth; according to the tribes of your fathers ye shall inherit.
But if ye will not drive out the inhabitants of the land from before you; then it shall come to pass, that those which ye let remain of them shall be pricks in your eyes, and thorns in your sides, and shall vex you in the land wherein ye dwell.
Moreover it shall come to pass, that I shall do unto you, as I thought to do unto them.

Deuteronomy 7:2

And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them:

Deuteronomy 22:23-24

If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;
Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.

With regards to Leviticus, yes, it's true that the Torah commands the death penalty for "lying with man as if woman," committing acts of blasphemy, incest and certain other offenses. It doesn't command people to actively seek out non-believers and kill them; it commands that those who spread lies about Judaism be killed, and those who commit certain sexual offenses be killed. It doesn't command the murder of innocents, like the Qu'ran does.

With regard to Numbers, it is more of a historical account than anything, not part of the Old Law, but even if you consider it to be a call to violence, it isn't commanding the murder of all non-believers, it's talking about the destruction of the Canaanites, an enemy of the Israelites; it's not talking about innocent people.

With regards to Deuteronomy, chapter two, it, again, is talking about the tribes that were enemies of the Israelites, such as the Canaanites, not innocent people; it's a moot point. With regards to Deuteronomy, chapter twenty two, yes, it commands that Israelites who commit adultery be killed. Note how I say Israelites who commit adultery; the chapter specifically states "you must purge the evil from among you," and "you must purge the evil from Israel," it doesn't command people to hunt down adulterers to the ends of the earth. It specifically bans adultery only among the Israelites and punishes it by death, not commanding all followers of God to kill them, and this law is no longer relevant in Christianity because the New Law explicitly bans killing anyone and the New Law supercedes the Old Law.

So, no, none of these things prove that the Torah demands the killing of innocents, and even if they did, the New Law supercedes the Old Law and the New Law bans violence of any kind, as can be seen in the Book of Matthew.

[Great Feng]

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished." (Matthew 5:17-18)
The Bible says this to Christians.
So Christians are to also do what Jews did.
Mind if I show you all the other quotes from the Torah that makes it clear that the Bible is okay with the harsh cruel old Jewish laws?

May I remind you that the majority of the Netherlands is atheist or agnostic?

Besides, we are civilised, a lot of this world is clearly not when they follow these imbecilic books of a desert deity.

You're missing the point.
The Muslims are actually just not worse than the Christians. Proof? That quote and other Torah quotes. The Torah encourage similar acts of violence, and you don't say kick all the Jews out of Europe.
And my quote from the bible means Christians are told to follow the same laws as the Jews, so should we kick them out too/either?
My point stands.

[Ostroeuropa]

Oop, looks like we got another one.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4e9_1462455036

I wonder if the police were too scared to do anything this time

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05 ... of-fred-a/

A pedophile V pedophilia being normalized enough that you feel comfortable conspiring with other people about it. Point is, the media isn't going to stop reporting this stuff either.

Tensions are going to continue to rise, at what point does it become pointless to hang on to the idea of multiculturalism?
Race riots?
Machete genocide mobs?
Secession movements?

It's in EVERYONES best interests to at least put a moratorium on further migration.

[Netherlands Mualenia]

Oh, we'd love to kick these muslims out once and for all. Sadly enough, however, we are an American satellite, and Obama wouldn't want one of his satellites to wander off and actually create a future for itself!

If that were true, you'd have done it under the Bush years. You guys had multiple chances to stop but choose to stamp down on the accelerator and go anyway. You've got nobody to blame but yourselves.

The Netherlands is luckily changing now, and with the possibility of America finally coming to its senses and electing Trump - who supports both right and leftwing ideals - we can finally topple these imbeciles in the EU and turn Europe and my homeland into what its supposed to be: A civilised continent, not one consumed by Islamic barbarism.

[Novorobo]

Oop, looks like we got another one.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4e9_1462455036

Tbh the Catholic church does the same thing as do the Mormons, they just manage to hide it because they're the dominant religion in Europe.

The Catholic church. Not the Catholic congregation.

You could argue it's partly Catholic parents' fault for putting their kids within arm's length of a priest, but I wouldn't put them on the same level as the priests themselves.

[Vassenor]

Oop, looks like we got another one.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4e9_1462455036

I wonder if the police were too scared to do anything this time

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05 ... of-fred-a/

Are you trying to imply that white people can commit sexual assault? What is this crazy talk?

[Conserative Morality]

With regards to Leviticus, yes, it's true that the Torah commands the death penalty for "lying with man as if woman," committing acts of blasphemy, incest and certain other offenses. It doesn't command people to actively seek out non-believers and kill them; it commands that those who spread lies about Judaism be killed, and those who commit certain sexual offenses be killed. It doesn't command the murder of innocents, like the Qu'ran does.

With regard to Numbers, it is more of a historical account than anything, not part of the Old Law, but even if you consider it to be a call to violence, it isn't commanding the murder of all non-believers, it's talking about the destruction of the Canaanites, an enemy of the Israelites; it's not talking about innocent people.

With regards to Deuteronomy, chapter two, it, again, is talking about the tribes that were enemies of the Israelites, such as the Canaanites, not innocent people; it's a moot point. With regards to Deuteronomy, chapter twenty two, yes, it commands that Israelites who commit adultery be killed. Note how I say Israelites who commit adultery; the chapter specifically states "you must purge the evil from among you," and "you must purge the evil from Israel," it doesn't command people to hunt down adulterers to the ends of the earth. It specifically bans adultery only among the Israelites and punishes it by death, not commanding all followers of God to kill them, and this law is no longer relevant in Christianity because the New Law explicitly bans killing anyone and the New Law supercedes the Old Law.

So, no, none of these things prove that the Torah demands the killing of innocents, and even if they did, the New Law supercedes the Old Law and the New Law bans violence of any kind, as can be seen in the Book of Matthew.

Wow, nice genocide apologism. Good going. I'm sure those Canaanite children were super guilty.

[Northern Freikur]

Oh, we'd love to kick these muslims out once and for all. Sadly enough, however, we are an American satellite, and Obama wouldn't want one of his satellites to wander off and actually create a future for itself!

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished." (Matthew 5:17-18)
The Bible says this to Christians.
So Christians are to also do what Jews did.
Mind if I show you all the other quotes from the Torah that makes it clear that the Bible is okay with the harsh cruel old Jewish laws?

That was when Jesus was still alive. The Old Testament was still in play.

Galatians 2:16 "yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified."

New Testament.

[Aggicificicerous]

Oop, looks like we got another one.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4e9_1462455036

I wonder if the police were too scared to do anything this time

A criminal case was opened immediately. Do you bother actually paying attention to ANYTHING you talk about?

It's almost like the thread was an excuse for Ostroeuropa to rant about how much he hates Muslims.