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Does Islam belong in germany?

No. Islam does not belong in germany.
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Yes. Islam does belong in germany.
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Kubra
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Postby Kubra » Thu May 05, 2016 2:21 pm

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How do you 'rid' a society of Islam?


You could convert them. The Evangelist are experts in converting people.
yeah but then you've got a society of fucking pentecostals and shit
now that's just worse
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Postby American Great Empire » Thu May 05, 2016 2:21 pm

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American Great Empire wrote:Well the Islamic faith actually advocates for the killing of gays its not generalizing if its true. You also never mentioned a new testament passage that advocates for the killing of gays.And to the Ugandan case http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/04/world/africa/04uganda.html?_r=0 Don Schmierer, boarder member of exodus international stated"“I feel duped, "arguing that he had been invited to speak on “parenting skills” for families with gay children. He acknowledged telling audiences how homosexuals could be converted into heterosexuals, but he said he had no idea some Ugandans were contemplating the death penalty for homosexuality." not only that but Mr. Lively one of the 3 people that when to the seminars stated " I was very disappointed that the legislation was so harsh" and Mr.Brundidge another of the people speaking said similar things. I dont see them saying yes kill them. To address that Homosexuality is illegal in all of nigeria is false 12 northern states have adopted some form of Shari'a into their criminal statutes: Bauchi, Borno, Gombe, Jigawa, Kaduna, Kano, Katsina, Kebbi, Niger, Sokoto, Yobe, and Zamfara. None of this appears in Southern Nigeria.

As far as I know, no passage in the New Testament explicitly mandates the execution of homosexuals... and many Muslims do not condone the execution of homosexuals. So, what else do you have?

Also, whether it was their original intent or not, the actions of those American Christian missionaries led to the attempt to punish homosexuality with death. That they did not explicitly call for the murder of LGBT+ people, like fellow American Christian Kevin Swanson, does not negate the fact that they added fuel to the fire by getting involved in a great defamation campaign against an entire community.

Also, homosexuality is illegal in all of Nigeria.

Well considering the fact many people in Muslim majority countries saying that Homosexual behavior is morally wrong, is overwhelmingly agreed with including three-quarters or more in 33 of the 36 countries, with the other 3 which include Bangladesh with 67% agreeing, Uganda with 77% and Mozambique with 79% where the question was asked according to pew global. While that doesn't mean the advocacy for the killing of gays, sharia law does with Niger, Djibouti,DR Congo,Nigeria,Uganda,Ethiopia,Mozambique,Kenya,Mali,Ghana,Senegal,Cameroon,Liberia, Malaysia,Thailand,Indonesia,Afghanistan,Pakistan,Bangladesh,Iraq,Palestinian terr,Morocco,Egypt,Jordan,Tunisia, all of those countries over 50% of people supporting sharia law which wold call for the killing of gays, to substantiate these claim heres the direct quote from the Iranian constitution In its 1991 Constitution, the extreme punishment of execution for sodomy." Articles 108-113 say: Sodomy is a crime, for which both partners are punished. The punishment is death if the participants are adults, of sound mind and consenting; the method of execution is for the Shari'a judge to decide ." Such as in Malawi http://pamelageller.com/2014/02/kill-gays-law-called-muslim-association-malawi.html/ that law in itself is being decide its not implemented. And to the Nigeria laws my bad, now i know.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Thu May 05, 2016 2:21 pm

Netherlands Mualenia wrote:
Great Feng wrote:You know, there are several posts you've ignored helping that claim.

Can one of you guys quote those posts please?

Because we should trust ignorant peoples from across the ocean whose interest it is to destroy Europe in order to advance their own empire built upon hatred?

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Postby Novorobo » Thu May 05, 2016 2:21 pm

Great Feng wrote:
Netherlands Mualenia wrote:I'm talking about the rediculous laws, not other Europeans.

Still, when you use that term....It's hard to take anyone seriously who says that.

Why exactly?
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Postby The Rebel Alliances » Thu May 05, 2016 2:22 pm

Great Feng wrote:
Netherlands Mualenia wrote:Yet, I'm supposed to take people serious who claim that Islam is a religion of peace and harmony?

You know, there are several posts you've ignored helping that claim.

Can one of you guys quote those posts please?


I made a post that after reading much of the Qur'an I have found that Jihad is vastly misrepresented by both terrorist and critics. That the Qur'an states many times that Allah 'Does not love aggressors.'
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Postby Great Feng » Thu May 05, 2016 2:23 pm

Netherlands Mualenia wrote:
Great Feng wrote:You know, there are several posts you've ignored helping that claim.

Can one of you guys quote those posts please?

Because we should trust ignorant peoples from across the ocean whose interest it is to destroy Europe in order to advance their own empire built upon hatred?

So...you're going to dismiss it all? Just because they are foreigners? Not even going to bother check the evidence they're showing you, and dismiss it without giving it a reasonable look?
People liken you are give me a headache.
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Postby The East Marches » Thu May 05, 2016 2:23 pm

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Postby Zoice » Thu May 05, 2016 2:23 pm

My face and my palm are forever merged, I shouldn't have read this thread.
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Postby Paredonia » Thu May 05, 2016 2:24 pm

Seriously though, why all the hate for Islam? It's no worse than all the other religions out there. Is it because of ISIS? If so then I find that a completely laughable reason, since the biggest victims of ISIS have been Muslims themselves. People don't bat an eyelid when ISIS slaughters thousands of Muslims in the Middle East every week, but kill one Christian or one Westerner and only then is there outcry about it! People need to realise that Islam and Muslims aren't the problem, ISIS are. The sooner people realise that they aren't the same, the sooner we can get back to sorting out the very real problem that is ISIS.
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Postby Crockerland » Thu May 05, 2016 2:24 pm

Great Feng wrote:
Netherlands Mualenia wrote:Because we should trust ignorant peoples from across the ocean whose interest it is to destroy Europe in order to advance their own empire built upon hatred?

So...you're going to dismiss it all? Just because they are foreigners?

Just because their religion endorses murder, homophobia, antisemitism, racketeering and misogyny, you mean?
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Postby Kubra » Thu May 05, 2016 2:25 pm

Crockerland wrote:
Great Feng wrote:So...you're going to dismiss it all? Just because they are foreigners?

Just because their religion endorses murder, homophobia, antisemitism, racketeering and misogyny, you mean?
which doesn't
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Postby Netherlands Mualenia » Thu May 05, 2016 2:25 pm

Great Feng wrote:
Netherlands Mualenia wrote:Because we should trust ignorant peoples from across the ocean whose interest it is to destroy Europe in order to advance their own empire built upon hatred?

So...you're going to dismiss it all? Just because they are foreigners? Not even going to bother check the evidence they're showing you, and dismiss it without giving it a reasonable look?
People liken you are give me a headache.

I haven't seen a single post with actual evidence. Besides, Americans don't live in the situation and dismiss it because it suits you better to have a submissive islamic Europe. Instead, we are supposed to suffer for your little hegemony over Europe.

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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu May 05, 2016 2:25 pm

Crockerland wrote:Just because their religion endorses murder, homophobia, antisemitism, racketeering and misogyny, you mean?

Aw shit, I'm religious?
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Postby Ashworth-Attwater » Thu May 05, 2016 2:25 pm

Zoice wrote:My face and my palm are forever merged, I shouldn't have read this thread.


idk i'm pretty entertained
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Postby Paredonia » Thu May 05, 2016 2:25 pm

Crockerland wrote:
Great Feng wrote:So...you're going to dismiss it all? Just because they are foreigners?

Just because their religion endorses murder, homophobia, antisemitism, racketeering and misogyny, you mean?


Just like most other religions do, you mean?
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Postby Great Feng » Thu May 05, 2016 2:25 pm

Crockerland wrote:
Great Feng wrote:So...you're going to dismiss it all? Just because they are foreigners?

Just because their religion endorses murder, homophobia, antisemitism, racketeering and misogyny, you mean?

I'm saying people are giving proof that that isn't the case and that the Bible does it too, and he's dismissing them without giving them a serious look.
Some of these are direct Torah and Bible and Quran quotes ffs!

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Postby The Kievan People » Thu May 05, 2016 2:25 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:Then I suppose you haven't actually read your own scriptures, considering what the Law is in that context. Either that or you don't understand even basic implications of speech in the context of the religion of Judaism. Take your pick.


No, you are just cherry picking.

"Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?" And he said to him, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments depend all the law and the prophets."


Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath; his disciples were hungry, and they began to pluck heads of grain and to eat. But when the Pharisees saw it, they said to him, "Look, your disciples are doing what is not lawful to do on the Sabbath." He said to them, "Have you not read what David did, when he was hungry, and those who were with him: how he entered the house of God and ate the bread of the Presence, which it was not lawful for him to eat nor for those who were with him, but only for the priests? Or have you not read in the law how on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath, and are guiltless? I tell you, something greater than the temple is here. And if you had known what this means, ‘I desire mercy, and not sacrifice,’ you would not have condemned the guiltless. For the Son of man is lord of the Sabbath." (Matt. 12:1-8)


Christians are not the Jews. They have never been obligated to follow Jewish law unthinkingly and they never have in any significant number.
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Postby The balkens » Thu May 05, 2016 2:26 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Crockerland wrote:Just because their religion endorses murder, homophobia, antisemitism, racketeering and misogyny, you mean?

Aw shit, I'm religious?


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Postby Zottistan » Thu May 05, 2016 2:26 pm

Islam does not belong anywhere in the civilized world. At the same time I'd be fairly squeamish about any attempts to actually remove it.
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Postby Great Feng » Thu May 05, 2016 2:26 pm

Netherlands Mualenia wrote:
Great Feng wrote:So...you're going to dismiss it all? Just because they are foreigners? Not even going to bother check the evidence they're showing you, and dismiss it without giving it a reasonable look?
People liken you are give me a headache.

I haven't seen a single post with actual evidence. Besides, Americans don't live in the situation and dismiss it because it suits you better to have a submissive islamic Europe. Instead, we are supposed to suffer for your little hegemony over Europe.

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Postby Major-Tom » Thu May 05, 2016 2:27 pm

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Postby Wallenburg » Thu May 05, 2016 2:27 pm

Zoice wrote:My face and my palm are forever merged, I shouldn't have read this thread.

Liar! You are still typing! :p
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Postby The East Marches » Thu May 05, 2016 2:27 pm

Netherlands Mualenia wrote:
Great Feng wrote:So...you're going to dismiss it all? Just because they are foreigners? Not even going to bother check the evidence they're showing you, and dismiss it without giving it a reasonable look?
People liken you are give me a headache.

I haven't seen a single post with actual evidence. Besides, Americans don't live in the situation and dismiss it because it suits you better to have a submissive islamic Europe. Instead, we are supposed to suffer for your little hegemony over Europe.


We aren't the ones who are making you commit suicide. Thats of your own retarded ideas. Its been happening since before the U.S. even shifted slightly left. Pim Fortuyn tried to warn you, then got shot as a reward for his hard work.
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Postby Great Feng » Thu May 05, 2016 2:27 pm

The Kievan People wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Then I suppose you haven't actually read your own scriptures, considering what the Law is in that context. Either that or you don't understand even basic implications of speech in the context of the religion of Judaism. Take your pick.


No, you are just cherry picking.

"Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?" And he said to him, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments depend all the law and the prophets."


Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath; his disciples were hungry, and they began to pluck heads of grain and to eat. But when the Pharisees saw it, they said to him, "Look, your disciples are doing what is not lawful to do on the Sabbath." He said to them, "Have you not read what David did, when he was hungry, and those who were with him: how he entered the house of God and ate the bread of the Presence, which it was not lawful for him to eat nor for those who were with him, but only for the priests? Or have you not read in the law how on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath, and are guiltless? I tell you, something greater than the temple is here. And if you had known what this means, ‘I desire mercy, and not sacrifice,’ you would not have condemned the guiltless. For the Son of man is lord of the Sabbath." (Matt. 12:1-8)


Christians are not the Jews. They have never been obligated to follow Jewish law unthinkingly and they never have in any significant number.

They come from Judaism though. And technically are part of Judaism, just rejected by the Jews. Same thing with Christians and Muslims, in a way.

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Postby Great Feng » Thu May 05, 2016 2:28 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
Zoice wrote:My face and my palm are forever merged, I shouldn't have read this thread.

Liar! You are still typing! :p

Maybe he's using his other hand? :lol:

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