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Does Islam belong in germany?

No. Islam does not belong in germany.
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Yes. Islam does belong in germany.
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Netherlands Mualenia
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Postby Netherlands Mualenia » Thu May 05, 2016 2:10 pm

Great Feng wrote:
Netherlands Mualenia wrote:You'll probably revert back to the stone age without us.

You'll probably start another German centered world war.
Or with your luck...
It'll involve France, Germany, and Russia, as always.

No, you foreigners will like always.

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Thu May 05, 2016 2:10 pm

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Yawn.

Good for you, discovered the old testament.

Not related to what I said.

You said the Bible doesn't support killing. They provided Bible passages that provide evidence to the contrary. How is that not related to what you said?

Because Kyiv specifically spoke about Christ.
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Postby Iranian Israel » Thu May 05, 2016 2:10 pm

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Wallenburg wrote:Just like being against freedom for the Jews in Nazi Germany was being in favor of freedom for Christia...oh, wait...

The Torah never says to brutally eradicate Christians, subjugate and enslave them.
Islam calls for the mass-murder of non-Muslims, while Judaism does not do the same for Christians.

Except for those Uncle Toms and terrorists in your "superior Muslims" factbook?
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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu May 05, 2016 2:10 pm

Zoice wrote:No, but, you forgot. When Christians make excuses, that's TOTALLY DIFFERENT from Muslim excuses.

Because Christian excuses are the RIGHT interpretation of their religion and Muslim excuses are the WRONG interpretation of their religion. You can tell because they're brown.
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Postby Quiceland » Thu May 05, 2016 2:10 pm

Islam is Cancer

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Thu May 05, 2016 2:10 pm

Netherlands Mualenia wrote:
Great Feng wrote:You'll probably start another German centered world war.
Or with your luck...
It'll involve France, Germany, and Russia, as always.

No, you foreigners will like always.

Always, except all the previous times.
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Postby Great Feng » Thu May 05, 2016 2:10 pm

Netherlands Mualenia wrote:
Great Feng wrote:You'll probably start another German centered world war.
Or with your luck...
It'll involve France, Germany, and Russia, as always.

No, you foreigners will like always.

>Looks at the Napoleonic Wars, WW1, and WW2.
......Yep. We totally started it. :roll:

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Postby The Kievan People » Thu May 05, 2016 2:11 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:Matthew 5 17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


I see nothing about killing and subjugating here.

The Kingdom of Heaven incidentally is what will exist after the end of the world.
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Postby Liriena » Thu May 05, 2016 2:11 pm

Fascist Russian Empire wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Would you prefer "Kill all these people for me, slaughter them like dogs" or "Kill everyone who does this innocuous, normal, Western thing"?

Are you actually going to provide a source proving that the Bible commands Jews and Christians to murder non-believers, or not? Or even a single verse allowing spousal abuse? Or rape? Or anything that Islam endorses, for that matter?

Don't know if Conservative Morality can, but I already did it, several pages ago, and you conveniently ignored it.

I give you the Skeptic's Annotated Bible.

Featuring delightful passages such as:
Leviticus 20:13

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.


Leviticus 24:16

And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall be put to death.


Leviticus 20:27

A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them.


Numbers 33:50-56

And the LORD spake unto Moses in the plains of Moab by Jordan near Jericho, saying,
Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye are passed over Jordan into the land of Canaan;
Then ye shall drive out all the inhabitants of the land from before you, and destroy all their pictures, and destroy all their molten images, and quite pluck down all their high places:
And ye shall dispossess the inhabitants of the land, and dwell therein: for I have given you the land to possess it.
And ye shall divide the land by lot for an inheritance among your families: and to the more ye shall give the more inheritance, and to the fewer ye shall give the less inheritance: every man's inheritance shall be in the place where his lot falleth; according to the tribes of your fathers ye shall inherit.
But if ye will not drive out the inhabitants of the land from before you; then it shall come to pass, that those which ye let remain of them shall be pricks in your eyes, and thorns in your sides, and shall vex you in the land wherein ye dwell.
Moreover it shall come to pass, that I shall do unto you, as I thought to do unto them.


Deuteronomy 7:2

And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them:


Deuteronomy 22:23-24

If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;
Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.
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Postby Zoice » Thu May 05, 2016 2:11 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Zoice wrote:No, but, you forgot. When Christians make excuses, that's TOTALLY DIFFERENT from Muslim excuses.

Because Christian excuses are the RIGHT interpretation of their religion and Muslim excuses are the WRONG interpretation of their religion. You can tell because they're brown.

Yup. People who don't believe the religion are the best people to go to when you want to know what the religion believes. Yup. No one knows what they believe better than someone else entirely.
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Postby Wallenburg » Thu May 05, 2016 2:11 pm

The Kievan People wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:http://www.evilbible.com/evil-bible-hom ... the-bible/

You should try reading the Bible.


Yawn.

Good for you, discovered the old testament.

Not related to what I said.

The Old Testament isn't in the Bible? That's strange, my copies must be all wrong...so much wasted paper...
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Postby Netherlands Mualenia » Thu May 05, 2016 2:11 pm

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Netherlands Mualenia wrote:No, you foreigners will like always.

Always, except all the previous times.

I'm sorry, because the Netherlands has been the cause of the world wars?

You uitlanders should stay out of my country instead of bringing your fascist suffering here like always.

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Postby Crockerland » Thu May 05, 2016 2:12 pm

Iranian Israel wrote:
Crockerland wrote:The Torah never says to brutally eradicate Christians, subjugate and enslave them.
Islam calls for the mass-murder of non-Muslims, while Judaism does not do the same for Christians.

Except for those Uncle Toms and terrorists in your "superior Muslims" factbook?

Just to ward off the unkillable zombie strawman of "not all".
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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu May 05, 2016 2:12 pm

Quiceland wrote:Islam is Cancer

Cancer is cancer.
The Kievan People wrote:I see nothing about killing and subjugating here.

Then I suppose you haven't actually read your own scriptures, considering what the Law is in that context. Either that or you don't understand even basic implications of speech in the context of the religion of Judaism. Take your pick.
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Postby Great Feng » Thu May 05, 2016 2:12 pm

Netherlands Mualenia wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:Always, except all the previous times.

I'm sorry, because the Netherlands has been the cause of the world wars?

You uitlanders should stay out of my country instead of bringing your fascist suffering here like always.

I'm just saying, Europe starts all the wars, not Americans.
Without NATO, Europe would be embroiled in conflict and the EU may well collapse.
EDIT: I meant Europe started those wars, not Americans. Dammit, I made myself sound like a Bush supporter and stupid american.
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Postby Kriga » Thu May 05, 2016 2:12 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
The Kievan People wrote:
It doesn't actually.

Jesus was kind of big on not killing people.

http://www.evilbible.com/evil-bible-hom ... the-bible/

You should try reading the Bible.

He was quite a rape apologist, wasn't he?

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Postby Wallenburg » Thu May 05, 2016 2:13 pm

Crockerland wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:Just like being against freedom for the Jews in Nazi Germany was being in favor of freedom for Christia...oh, wait...

The Torah never says to brutally eradicate Christians, subjugate and enslave them.
Islam calls for the mass-murder of non-Muslims, while Judaism does not do the same for Christians.

Couldn't possibly be because Christianity didn't exist yet, could it?
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Postby Iluvbbcland » Thu May 05, 2016 2:13 pm

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Ostroeuropa wrote:Pass laws which restrict immigration from muslim Christian countries, give incentives for ones here to leave, ban faith Catholic schools, ban minarets bell towers, ban hijabs nuns' habits, banthe call to prayer the ringing of the bells, ban niqabs priests' habits, ban circumcision baptisms (to be honest, though, I am a strong opponent of circumcision in general), ban mosques churches in general, etc. They may believe in and say what they wish otherwise, but they won't be able to actually practice the religion.


Well, when you change everything Muslim in that paragraph for something Christian, it sounds pretty darn awful. Like... a bunch of increasingly gross violations of human rights.

Honestly, Ostro, you should be grateful I didn't change everything Muslim in the paragraph for something Jewish.

Except Christians dont go around suicide bombing innocents in the name of jesus.

Islam is a disease and shouldnt be let into any first world countries.
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Postby Fascist Russian Empire » Thu May 05, 2016 2:13 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:I'm trying to pin down what you'll accept as commanding violence so when I come back with the verses in question you can't back out and say "Oh, THAT'S not what I meant."

So I repeat, would you prefer "Kill all these people for me, slaughter them like dogs" or "Kill everyone who does this innocuous, normal, Western thing"?

I'll accept any passage from the Old Law or the New Law which commands Jews and Christians to murder any innocent person. Not that the Old Law really matters to Christians, since its commands were rendered null with the coming of the Messiah and the new covenant brought by it, but since you're never going to find any passage from Jesus promoting violence, I'll by lenient and accept it anyway.

Conserative Morality wrote:They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Congratulations, you discovered the book of Chronicles, which is part of neither the Old Law nor the New Law; it's a historical account of the Kingdom of Israel, not a list of commands. Stating "these people killed other people," is not commanding adherents of Judaism and Christianity to murder non-believers. Historical accounts of violence are not commands to commit violence.

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Thu May 05, 2016 2:13 pm

Netherlands Mualenia wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:Always, except all the previous times.

I'm sorry, because the Netherlands has been the cause of the world wars?

You uitlanders should stay out of my country instead of bringing your fascist suffering here like always.

Pretty sure I'm absolved of "bringing fascist suffering to the Dutch" since we haven't done that for about four hundred years.
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Postby Threlizdun » Thu May 05, 2016 2:13 pm

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Threlizdun wrote:You said the Bible doesn't support killing. They provided Bible passages that provide evidence to the contrary. How is that not related to what you said?

Because Kyiv specifically spoke about Christ.

This was the quote
The Kievan People wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:The Bible says the same shit. I don't go around calling for mass deportation of Christians.


It doesn't actually.

Jesus was kind of big on not killing people.

Jesus may not have called for killing, but they are wrong in saying the Bible does not. Both the Qur'an and the Bible say some awful things. They can be interpreted lay differently, and most do, but those aspects definitely are in there.
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Postby Kubra » Thu May 05, 2016 2:13 pm

Netherlands Mualenia wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:Always, except all the previous times.

I'm sorry, because the Netherlands has been the cause of the world wars?

You uitlanders should stay out of my country instead of bringing your fascist suffering here like always.
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Postby Great Feng » Thu May 05, 2016 2:14 pm

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Netherlands Mualenia wrote:I'm sorry, because the Netherlands has been the cause of the world wars?

You uitlanders should stay out of my country instead of bringing your fascist suffering here like always.

Pretty sure I'm absolved of "bringing fascist suffering to the Dutch" since we haven't done that for about four hundred years.

Fascism didn't exist 400 years ago.
At most, it's 200 years old, under Napoleon, but at least as old as Mussolini.

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Postby Netherlands Mualenia » Thu May 05, 2016 2:14 pm

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Netherlands Mualenia wrote:I'm sorry, because the Netherlands has been the cause of the world wars?

You uitlanders should stay out of my country instead of bringing your fascist suffering here like always.

Pretty sure I'm absolved of "bringing fascist suffering to the Dutch" since we haven't done that for about four hundred years.

Oh please, from Islamic immigration to forcing degenerate European laws upon us, its always people outside of the Netherlands who enforce this.

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Thu May 05, 2016 2:14 pm

Iluvbbcland wrote:
Liriena wrote:
Well, when you change everything Muslim in that paragraph for something Christian, it sounds pretty darn awful. Like... a bunch of increasingly gross violations of human rights.

Honestly, Ostro, you should be grateful I didn't change everything Muslim in the paragraph for something Jewish.

Except Christians dont go around suicide bombing innocents in the name of jesus.

Islam is a disease and shouldnt be let into any first world countries.

No, Christians just shoot them instead. Or bomb them from aircraft.
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