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Does Islam belong in germany?

No. Islam does not belong in germany.
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Yes. Islam does belong in germany.
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MERIZoC
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Postby MERIZoC » Thu May 05, 2016 2:00 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Merizoc wrote:Ok. In turn, you can remain an atheist. However, you must wear a cross around your neck, and go to a christian school.


False equivalence. We're not mandating a particular religion.


You are however restricting religious freedom, as well as personal bodily autonomy.

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Postby Ashworth-Attwater » Thu May 05, 2016 2:01 pm

Fascist Russian Empire wrote:The Hadith, in Bukhari, states it here, and here.


oh the hadith? really? lol

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Postby The balkens » Thu May 05, 2016 2:01 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
The balkens wrote:you wont be saying that when American Imperial troops march north!

PAX AMERICANA! FOR THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE!

Shit man, we're all Americans. Let's just make NAFTA into NAUS.


has to be the greater North American Empire.

Mexico gets to be in on this shit too.

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Postby Wallenburg » Thu May 05, 2016 2:01 pm

Crockerland wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:Define "belong in Europe". They don't not belong in Europe, but we certainly shouldn't endeavor to fill our countries with Muslims simply because they are Muslim.

Also, I congratulate the OP for coming out of the closet and letting everyone know that he hates freedom of thought and belief.

Being against Islam is being in favor of freedom of thought and belief for Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Atheists, Agnostics and apostates from Islam, who the Quran repeatedly says should be forced to pay a faith tax or face eradication.

Just like being against freedom for the Jews in Nazi Germany was being in favor of freedom for Christia...oh, wait...
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Postby Crockerland » Thu May 05, 2016 2:01 pm

Merizoc wrote:
Crockerland wrote:Being against Islam is being in favor of freedom of thought and belief for Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Atheists, Agnostics and apostates from Islam, who the Quran repeatedly says should be forced to pay a faith tax or face eradication.

Funny you should be talking about eradication as a genocide supporter.

Funny you would talk about supporting genocide while being in favor of the Armenian genocide.

Since we're throwing out bizarre strawmen.
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Postby The Kievan People » Thu May 05, 2016 2:02 pm

Fascist Russian Empire wrote:The Qu'ran explicitly states to kill apostates, and so does the Hadith; read it for yourself.

The Qu'ran states it here, and here.

The Hadith, in Bukhari, states it here, and here.

There's no possible way to interpret this to mean something peaceful.


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islam is a religion of peace... ful conquest.
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Postby Novorobo » Thu May 05, 2016 2:02 pm

Liriena wrote:
Novorobo wrote:2. Publicly-funded education on how absurd the Quran's claims are, to encourage Muslims to abandon the faith.

And the Bible and the Torah too, I hope?

We probably couldn't get the public on board for that part, but let's not make the perfect the enemy of the good.
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Postby Zoice » Thu May 05, 2016 2:02 pm

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Postby Kriga » Thu May 05, 2016 2:02 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Merizoc wrote:Ok. In turn, you can remain an atheist. However, you must wear a cross around your neck, and go to a christian school.


False equivalence. We're not mandating a particular religion.


Allanea wrote:
How do you 'rid' a society of Islam?


Pass laws which restrict immigration from muslim countries, give incentives for ones here to leave, ban faith schools, ban minarets, ban hijabs, ban the call to prayer, ban niqabs, ban circumcision, ban mosques in general, etc. They may believe in and say what they wish otherwise, but they won't be able to actually practice the religion.


Bit Soviet of you, no?

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Postby Wallenburg » Thu May 05, 2016 2:02 pm

Fascist Russian Empire wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Would you prefer "Kill all these people for me, slaughter them like dogs" or "Kill everyone who does this innocuous, normal, Western thing"?

Are you actually going to provide a source proving that the Bible commands Jews and Christians to murder non-believers, or not? Or even a single verse allowing spousal abuse? Or rape? Or anything that Islam endorses, for that matter?

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Yet in many verses it says that in defense. Read the topic, not the verse.

The Qu'ran explicitly states to kill apostates, and so does the Hadith; read it for yourself.

The Qu'ran states it here, and here.

The Hadith, in Bukhari, states it here, and here.

There's no possible way to interpret this to mean something peaceful.

The Bible says the same shit. I don't go around calling for mass deportation of Christians.
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Postby MERIZoC » Thu May 05, 2016 2:02 pm

Crockerland wrote:
Merizoc wrote:Funny you should be talking about eradication as a genocide supporter.

Funny you would talk about supporting genocide while being in favor of the Armenian genocide.

Since we're throwing out bizarre strawmen.

Unlike you I don't put support in my sig for groups that go around massacring the poor and defenseless.

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Postby The Rebel Alliances » Thu May 05, 2016 2:02 pm

Jamzmania wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:I can't think of any Christian kingdoms that waged war to expand their lands and religion.

Was that commanded by Christ, however, and do they still do so to this day?

Neither does Islam. I am half way through reading the Qur'an right now. And have covered many Surahs on warfare in Islam. Jihad is mentioned several times, but it does mean what you think it means. It is as much spiritual as physical and the Qur'an expressively states clearly several times that Allah does not love aggressors. That Jihad is to cease once a oppressive enemy has been repelled and that the Jihad is only for the defense of faith. Been a while since I read the verses, but I doubt I am misrepresenting what it says.

Honestly, I have found nothing within the Qur'an, or with thw many Muslims I have spoken to in person or on the internet to convince me that Islam is any more inherently destructive than any other faith. You should probably read it yourself, may learn something.
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Postby The Kievan People » Thu May 05, 2016 2:03 pm

Wallenburg wrote:Just like being against freedom for the Jews in Nazi Germany was being in favor of freedom for Christia...oh, wait...


I don't recall ostro saying islam is heritable.
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Postby The balkens » Thu May 05, 2016 2:03 pm

Merizoc wrote:
Crockerland wrote:Funny you would talk about supporting genocide while being in favor of the Armenian genocide.

Since we're throwing out bizarre strawmen.

Unlike you I don't put support in my sig for groups that go around massacring the poor and defenseless.


Anarchism?

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Postby Fascist Russian Empire » Thu May 05, 2016 2:03 pm

Iluvbbcland wrote:Disgusting. Dont they see that letting islam into germany can only help them. its like they dont even want diversity.

Fucking nazis.

Right, because homosexuals like me are totally helped out by a doctrine that states that we need to be stoned to death; totally.

And women are most definitely helped out by a doctrine which allows them to be beaten by their husbands; totally.

And non-Muslims are totally helped out by a doctrine which promotes the murder of them; most definitely.

And Muslim apostates are absolutely benefited by a doctrine which wants to behead them; absolutely.

Seriously, have you ever even read the Qu'ran?

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Postby The Kievan People » Thu May 05, 2016 2:03 pm

Wallenburg wrote:The Bible says the same shit. I don't go around calling for mass deportation of Christians.


It doesn't actually.

Jesus was kind of big on not killing people.
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Postby Ashworth-Attwater » Thu May 05, 2016 2:04 pm

Fascist Russian Empire wrote:Seriously, have you ever even read the Qu'ran?


says the guy who doesn't even know what a hadith is
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Thu May 05, 2016 2:04 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Allanea wrote:
How do you 'rid' a society of Islam?


Pass laws which restrict immigration from muslim countries, give incentives for ones here to leave, ban faith schools, ban minarets, ban hijabs, ban the call to prayer, ban niqabs, ban circumcision, ban mosques in general, etc. They may believe in and say what they wish otherwise, but they won't be able to actually practice the religion.

Fucking Christ.
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Postby Iranian Israel » Thu May 05, 2016 2:04 pm

The Kievan People wrote:
Fascist Russian Empire wrote:The Qu'ran explicitly states to kill apostates, and so does the Hadith; read it for yourself.

The Qu'ran states it here, and here.

The Hadith, in Bukhari, states it here, and here.

There's no possible way to interpret this to mean something peaceful.


go away hitler!

islam is a religion of peace... ful conquest.

Go away Bandera.
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Postby Wallenburg » Thu May 05, 2016 2:04 pm

The Kievan People wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:Just like being against freedom for the Jews in Nazi Germany was being in favor of freedom for Christia...oh, wait...

I don't recall ostro saying islam is heritable.

I didn't realize that people who converted to Judaism were fine in Hitler's book.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu May 05, 2016 2:04 pm

Fascist Russian Empire wrote:Are you actually going to provide a source proving that the Bible commands Jews and Christians to murder non-believers, or not? Or even a single verse allowing spousal abuse? Or rape? Or anything that Islam endorses, for that matter?

I'm trying to pin down what you'll accept as commanding violence so when I come back with the verses in question you can't back out and say "Oh, THAT'S not what I meant."

So I repeat, would you prefer "Kill all these people for me, slaughter them like dogs" or "Kill everyone who does this innocuous, normal, Western thing"?
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Postby MERIZoC » Thu May 05, 2016 2:04 pm

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Merizoc wrote:Unlike you I don't put support in my sig for groups that go around massacring the poor and defenseless.


Anarchism?

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Postby Iluvbbcland » Thu May 05, 2016 2:05 pm

The Kievan People wrote:
Iluvbbcland wrote:Disgusting. Dont they see that letting islam into germany can only help them. its like they dont even want diversity.

Fucking nazis.


#stopislamofascism

Muslims cant be fascists because they dont have privilege.
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Postby Netherlands Mualenia » Thu May 05, 2016 2:05 pm

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Pass laws which restrict immigration from muslim countries, give incentives for ones here to leave, ban faith schools, ban minarets, ban hijabs, ban the call to prayer, ban niqabs, ban circumcision, ban mosques in general, etc. They may believe in and say what they wish otherwise, but they won't be able to actually practice the religion.

Fucking Christ.

This is going to be deployed by European nations soon. Everyone can moan about it but the age of Islamic-American domination of Europe is over. For a free world rid of the fascists from the Middle East and the US.

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