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Does Islam belong in germany?

No. Islam does not belong in germany.
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Yes. Islam does belong in germany.
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Postby Vashty » Tue May 31, 2016 4:00 pm

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You're talking out of your backside again. London is 59% White (British, Irish Traveller and Other). That's the majority, a majority of the majority. I don't care about your opinion on the definition of diversity, because I know it's a good thing. I love the way my best mate met his Spanish fiancee through an international university in London. Half of his friends in uni were not white, but that somehow was a fresh and good perspective on people for me when i met them. No fucks given.

Nope, that's when you're talking about racial diversity, not cultural diversity. if you don't like your heritage, tough shit. If you identify as a comeing from somewhere and being of a nation, that's an ethnicity. I'm not colour blind. I don't care at all about one's race/ethnicity to start with anyway, I don't need to assure myself that I will have to strive to treat people equally. Everyone around the world makes up the 99.9% working classes, and is abused by the system. Now enough of my Marxist antics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demograph ... #Ethnicity


A real Marxist would gulag you for identity politics and artificially dividing the working class.


Leninists are not true Marxists. Begone fool.

Ever heard of Classical Marxism?
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Postby Gravlen » Tue May 31, 2016 4:02 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/news/1.722560

Jews begin to move to the far-right. It appears they are willing to at least risk believing the new far-rights claims to be an egalitarian force, to be rid of the Muslims.
They're joining the LGBT community, dissident liberals, and working class communities in doing so.

And as you have demonstrated with your own rethoric, by doing that they're cutting of the nose to spite the face.
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Postby The East Marches » Tue May 31, 2016 4:02 pm

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For one, you do business with women. As I've related previously, many Muslims are very discriminatory in whom they will do business with.

When you keep your heritage and wave it around as a flag or shield, then it becomes a problem.

There are plenty of books relating to American business culture and conduct. Muh 4th of july, muh guns, muh freedom and muh Constitution aside.

There are laws prohibiting gender/sex discrimination. Anyone, regardless of culture, must obey them. Even if you've lived in America your whole life and pretty much "generic" you have to follow it legally, and gender discrimination isn't specific to one culture.

Pretty sure guns/extreme patriotism/stereotypical Americanism differs by region.


There may be laws prohibiting all kinds of things but that doesn't prevent discrimination from occuring. If you have a small minority that lives in an insular society without exposure to the real world, they will continue these discriminatory practices. As I've mentioned previously in the thread and in other pages, they are one of few groups who can get away with because they cry "racism" or "discrimination" when challenged.
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Postby Vashty » Tue May 31, 2016 4:03 pm

Gravlen wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/news/1.722560

Jews begin to move to the far-right. It appears they are willing to at least risk believing the new far-rights claims to be an egalitarian force, to be rid of the Muslims.
They're joining the LGBT community, dissident liberals, and working class communities in doing so.

And as you have demonstrated with your own rethoric, by doing that they're cutting of the nose to spite the face.


I didn't know the EU had a Jewish demographic that could change elections....Please name an example nation?
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Postby New haven america » Tue May 31, 2016 4:03 pm

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Italios wrote:There's no such thing as colonial American culture anymore. Most traditions that took place from around 1600-1780 are completely dead now. Traditions nowadays tend to differ from household to household.

Still colonial American culture because the world defines America by the descendants of invaders. Not the real Americans.

Real Americans are people born within the US's borders, or people born with 1 or more people with US citizenship.

As someone who's part native, I find your argument silly at best.
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Postby The Grand World Order » Tue May 31, 2016 4:04 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:...My parents were born here too...I'm of Afrikan descent...y'know, when invaders stole my ancestors from their homelands...


*invaders bought your ancestors from your other ancestors who didn't like them


The question I have for you all is, why are you talking about whether the US has its own culture or not? This thread is clearly about Germany, who absolutely does have their own defined and unique culture that, along with several other European countries, is being systematically washed away.


Ostroeuropa wrote:http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/news/1.722560

The Jews begin to move to the far-right. It appears they are willing to at least risk believing the new far-rights claims to be an egalitarian force, to be rid of the Muslims.
They're joining the LGBT community, dissident liberals, and working class communities in doing so.


Considering that even Jordan, the poster-child for moderate Muslims, arrests homosexuals for publicly signalling their sexuality ("disrupting public morality"), I'm really not surprised that the LGBT community is siding with the far right.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue May 31, 2016 4:04 pm

The East Marches wrote:
Italios wrote:There are laws prohibiting gender/sex discrimination. Anyone, regardless of culture, must obey them. Even if you've lived in America your whole life and pretty much "generic" you have to follow it legally, and gender discrimination isn't specific to one culture.

Pretty sure guns/extreme patriotism/stereotypical Americanism differs by region.


There may be laws prohibiting all kinds of things but that doesn't prevent discrimination from occuring. If you have a small minority that lives in an insular society without exposure to the real world, they will continue these discriminatory practices. As I've mentioned previously in the thread and in other pages, they are one of few groups who can get away with because they cry "racism" or "discrimination" when challenged.

Or they just arrest those who are being discriminatory.
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Postby Vashty » Tue May 31, 2016 4:05 pm

New haven america wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Still colonial American culture because the world defines America by the descendants of invaders. Not the real Americans.

Real Americans are people born within the US's borders, or people born with 1 or more people with US citizenship.

As someone who's part native, I find your argument silly at best.


All I'm going to say is that you yankee bastards are the reason why our Heavy Metal bands are cheesy now!

(I apologize if that was offensive for the record I am joking)
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Postby The East Marches » Tue May 31, 2016 4:05 pm

Vashty wrote:
The East Marches wrote:
A real Marxist would gulag you for identity politics and artificially dividing the working class.


Leninists are not true Marxists. Begone fool.

Ever heard of Classical Marxism?


More reactionary and revisionist garbage.

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Need I mention Marx purging the American branch for its over concentration on women's and minority rights versus all the workers?
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Postby New haven america » Tue May 31, 2016 4:06 pm

Vashty wrote:
New haven america wrote:Real Americans are people born within the US's borders, or people born with 1 or more people with US citizenship.

As someone who's part native, I find your argument silly at best.


All I'm going to say is that you yankee bastards are the reason why our Heavy Metal bands are cheesy now!

(I apologize if that was offensive for the record I am joking)

Yankees are only people who are from New England/The North. *Nod*
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue May 31, 2016 4:06 pm

The Grand World Order wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:...My parents were born here too...I'm of Afrikan descent...y'know, when invaders stole my ancestors from their homelands...


*invaders bought your ancestors from your other ancestors who didn't like them


The question I have for you all is, why are you talking about whether the US has its own culture or not? This thread is clearly about Germany, who absolutely does have their own defined and unique culture that, along with several other European countries, is being systematically washed away.

Actually, my ancestral kin were tricked into this Atlantic slave trade. Afrikan slavery was a whole lot different from European slavery. But nonetheless, you are right, this isn't the right thread to debate about.
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Postby Italios » Tue May 31, 2016 4:07 pm

Vashty wrote:
Gravlen wrote:And as you have demonstrated with your own rethoric, by doing that they're cutting of the nose to spite the face.


I didn't know the EU had a Jewish demographic that could change elections....Please name an example nation?

Germany has a Jewish population of 0.3%. Not much, but I'm sure with our supernatural Jewlluminati powers, we could do something.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue May 31, 2016 4:07 pm

New haven america wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Still colonial American culture because the world defines America by the descendants of invaders. Not the real Americans.

Real Americans are people born within the US's borders, or people born with 1 or more people with US citizenship.

As someone who's part native, I find your argument silly at best.

Do we have an ancestral lineage here?
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Postby Vashty » Tue May 31, 2016 4:08 pm

The East Marches wrote:
Vashty wrote:
Leninists are not true Marxists. Begone fool.

Ever heard of Classical Marxism?


More reactionary and revisionist garbage.

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Need I mention Marx purging the American branch for its over concentration on women's and minority rights versus all the workers?


I'm not reactionary and not revisionist. Fuck me you need to google those terms and read my sig.
Need a source for that but Classical Marxism is what he wrote, not what he did ;)

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Postby New haven america » Tue May 31, 2016 4:10 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
New haven america wrote:Real Americans are people born within the US's borders, or people born with 1 or more people with US citizenship.

As someone who's part native, I find your argument silly at best.

Do we have an ancestral lineage here?

Yes, basically everyone with even a single generation lineage has ancestral lineage.
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Postby Vashty » Tue May 31, 2016 4:13 pm

New haven america wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Do we have an ancestral lineage here?

Yes, basically everyone with even a single generation lineage has ancestral lineage.


I noticed from before that this guy might be translating our text. Give him a break if he mixes shit up.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue May 31, 2016 4:13 pm

New haven america wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Do we have an ancestral lineage here?

Yes, basically everyone with even a single generation lineage has ancestral lineage.

So everybody's part American?
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Postby New haven america » Tue May 31, 2016 4:19 pm

Vashty wrote:
New haven america wrote:Yes, basically everyone with even a single generation lineage has ancestral lineage.


I noticed from before that this guy might be translating our text. Give him a break if he mixes shit up.

He's not, he was born in the US, and raised here (North Carolina to be precise).

I know, he told me, and other people too.
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Postby The East Marches » Tue May 31, 2016 4:20 pm

Vashty wrote:
The East Marches wrote:
More reactionary and revisionist garbage.



Need I mention Marx purging the American branch for its over concentration on women's and minority rights versus all the workers?


I'm not reactionary and not revisionist. Fuck me you need to google those terms and read my sig.
Need a source for that but Classical Marxism is what he wrote, not what he did ;)

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Disputing the party line is reactionary :^)

The British Labor party is 100% revisionist, they abandoned their roots and bought into neo-liberal capitalism heart and soul

"revisionism is used to refer to various ideas, principles and theories that are based on a significant revision of fundamental Marxist premises"


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If you'll give me a few minutes, I gotta boot up my old laptop to find the wiki article. I saved it from /leftypol/.

Edit: Here is the real Marxist test. How do you feel about gun ownership?
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Postby New haven america » Tue May 31, 2016 4:21 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
New haven america wrote:Yes, basically everyone with even a single generation lineage has ancestral lineage.

So everybody's part American?

Considering there's 7.25 billion people in the world, I hope not.
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Postby Gravlen » Tue May 31, 2016 4:22 pm

Vashty wrote:
Gravlen wrote:And as you have demonstrated with your own rethoric, by doing that they're cutting of the nose to spite the face.


I didn't know the EU had a Jewish demographic that could change elections....Please name an example nation?

I'm saying that the jewish people supporting the far right is hurting themselves in the long run, and that Ostro is an example of that.

Or, to put it differently, if you support a party where some of the leaders call for Jews to be catalogued and screened as potential national security risks because you think that party is best at dealing with the muslims (Jobbik in Hungary), you shouldn't be surprised if that party turns around and acts on its anti-Semitic beliefs later on.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Tue May 31, 2016 4:23 pm

New haven america wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:So everybody's part American?

Considering there's 7.25 billion people in the world, I hope not.

>w< I meant everybody in colonial America.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Tue May 31, 2016 4:24 pm

Gravlen wrote:
Vashty wrote:
I didn't know the EU had a Jewish demographic that could change elections....Please name an example nation?

I'm saying that the jewish people supporting the far right is hurting themselves in the long run, and that Ostro is an example of that.

Or, to put it differently, if you support a party where some of the leaders call for Jews to be catalogued and screened as potential national security risks because you think that party is best at dealing with the muslims (Jobbik in Hungary), you shouldn't be surprised if that party turns around and acts on its anti-Semitic beliefs later on.

Wait, doesn't the far-right (or the right in general) support the Zionist State? I know the left does too, but isn't that one of the tenets of the right? Maybe I'm just thinking colonial American politics, Europe's different.
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This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Italios » Tue May 31, 2016 4:24 pm

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New haven america wrote:Considering there's 7.25 billion people in the world, I hope not.

>w< I meant everybody in colonial America.

what the fuck is colonial America

And no. If you are a first generation American and your family as not born in the US, I'd say you are only legally American, and hold an American passport because you were born on American soil, but have no American heritage. And if you were born in a different country but immigrated to American during your life, you don't have American heritage either.
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Postby New haven america » Tue May 31, 2016 4:25 pm

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New haven america wrote:Considering there's 7.25 billion people in the world, I hope not.

>w< I meant everybody in colonial America.

Well colonial America had a pretty small population before it gained independence, so...
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