60% of Germans - Islam Does Not Belong In Germany.

[Ostroeuropa]

It is sad, but wy don't they also report assault against the refugees?

Because if they did that people might see the refugees as victims rather than some nebulous evil mass coming to destroy Europe.

They do report on assaults against migrants, as I pointed out. There's also plenty of actions from our government and institutions to prevent Islamophobia, but comparatively nothing to protect natives against muslims. Do you just find it easier to forget that the police forces and government tried endlessly to ignore and cover up muslim sex crimes before now?

Trying to reverse the narrative a bit so you won't feel like you're on the wrong side?

[Vashty]

As someone who in't German, but a fellow EU citizen nonetheless, I'd have to disagree with the 60% and say that every religious and irreligious standpoint has the right to exist and thrive no matter where it is.

[Zoice]

Fewer than 500 migrants in Sweden found jobs
[...]
Remember, muslims and "brown" people can do no wrong, and if you ever object you're a racist and islamophobic.

On the other hand, you obviously can do wrong, and you do. Right here.

It's untrue that fewer than 500 migrants in Sweden found jobs. The facts are that fewer than 500 asylum seekers (494) who've arrived in Sweden during 2015 and have asylum applications pending and are between the ages 20 - 64 and have applied for and been granted work permits while waiting for the application process, have found employment.

Which is neither particularly surprising nor particularly dramatic, all things considered. The less than 30,000 people we're talking about have, after all, been in the country between 0,5 and 1,5 years, has an uncertain future (unprocessed asylum claims), and many still have to learn the language - all factors that make them less valuable on the labour market at this point in time.

A much more interesting question is how many who've been granted asylum find jobs, and that rate is significantly higher.

Not to mention that the source Communist Xomaniax said nothing about their willingness to find jobs, if anything there was a blurb at the end about how hard they are trying to be employed, but it's really difficult.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/germany-sexual-assault-music-festival-cologne-darmstadt-a7057416.html

Another mass sex gang attack.

"Tolarance".

Oi. Sex offenders are sex offenders, charge them as such. We can treat immigrants like regular citizens without deporting all muslims, or whatever dumb shit Ostroeuropa wants to do.

The "if it was safe" part is important. My battery is about to die, I'm referencing just pretty much every interview with refugees and piece on them.

When you get the chance, I'd like to see the evidence.

The source that you yourself posted a while back gave an example of how refugees are trying (but unable due to bureaucracy) to find work.

[Ostroeuropa]

On the other hand, you obviously can do wrong, and you do. Right here.

It's untrue that fewer than 500 migrants in Sweden found jobs. The facts are that fewer than 500 asylum seekers (494) who've arrived in Sweden during 2015 and have asylum applications pending and are between the ages 20 - 64 and have applied for and been granted work permits while waiting for the application process, have found employment.

Which is neither particularly surprising nor particularly dramatic, all things considered. The less than 30,000 people we're talking about have, after all, been in the country between 0,5 and 1,5 years, has an uncertain future (unprocessed asylum claims), and many still have to learn the language - all factors that make them less valuable on the labour market at this point in time.

A much more interesting question is how many who've been granted asylum find jobs, and that rate is significantly higher.

Not to mention that the source Communist Xomaniax said nothing about their willingness to find jobs, if anything there was a blurb at the end about how hard they are trying to be employed, but it's really difficult.

"Tolarance".

Oi. Sex offenders are sex offenders, charge them as such. We can treat immigrants like regular citizens without deporting all muslims, or whatever dumb shit Ostroeuropa wants to do.

When you get the chance, I'd like to see the evidence.

The source that you yourself posted a while back gave an example of how refugees are trying (but unable due to bureaucracy) to find work.

Why should natives have to put up with a community that has such a high rate of sexual assault and violence being allowed to live near them?

[Zoice]

Not to mention that the source Communist Xomaniax said nothing about their willingness to find jobs, if anything there was a blurb at the end about how hard they are trying to be employed, but it's really difficult.



Oi. Sex offenders are sex offenders, charge them as such. We can treat immigrants like regular citizens without deporting all muslims, or whatever dumb shit Ostroeuropa wants to do.



The source that you yourself posted a while back gave an example of how refugees are trying (but unable due to bureaucracy) to find work.

Why should natives have to put up with a community that has such a high rate of sexual assault and violence being allowed to live near them?

Because people are people, and the alternative is absurd?

[Ostroeuropa]

Why should natives have to put up with a community that has such a high rate of sexual assault and violence being allowed to live near them?

Because people are people, and the alternative is absurd?

Yes, people are people, but this is their country, not a colony of the middle east.

What alternative?
Banning more migration?
Why is that absurd?

It's been decades. It hasn't improved. It's making society worse to allow these communities here.

[The balkens]

Why should natives have to put up with a community that has such a high rate of sexual assault and violence being allowed to live near them?

Because people are people, and the alternative is absurd?

That doesnt justify having to put up with reportedly high rates of crime.

[The East Marches]

Why should natives have to put up with a community that has such a high rate of sexual assault and violence being allowed to live near them?

Because people are people, and the alternative is absurd?

Not really, me and old Hans are likely to have different beliefs and value systems. We aren't the same.

[Ostroeuropa]

Because people are people, and the alternative is absurd?

Not really, me and old Hans are likely to have different beliefs and value systems. We aren't the same.

Cultural relativism. Like the elites, he just can't accept that his worldview that all cultures are equal has been shattered. It's a blatant absurdity in the first place anyway, because then on what grounds do you advance causes like gay marriage if the state both before and after legalization is equal in value?

Once you accept some cultures are inferior, it becomes ridiculous to propose they be allowed to dilute the nations culture.

The culture of these migrants has been routinely shown to produce more sexual violence, more violence, less economic activity, religious fundamentalism, and segregation.

It would work out better if there weren't mass migration, but there is, and so their culture is allowed to remain as is without being swamped by the local culture.

[Zoice]

Because people are people, and the alternative is absurd?

Yes, people are people, but this is their country, not a colony of the middle east.

What alternative?
Banning more migration?
Why is that absurd?

Banning a particular religion is absurd. I shouldn't have to explain because it should be so blatantly obvious, but I'll give it a shot. Islam is an extremely diverse religion, and Muslims vary just as much as any other group of 1.6 billion people. Islam tends to be more socially conservative, but we don't ban Israelis from immigrating, or Mississipians for that matter. High rates of sexual assault and violence should be dealt with by police, not deportation. It's a very self-centered worldview that you have.

[Zoice]

Not really, me and old Hans are likely to have different beliefs and value systems. We aren't the same.

Cultural relativism. Like the elites, he just can't accept that his worldview that all cultures are equal has been shattered. It's a blatant absurdity in the first place anyway, because then on what grounds do you advance causes like gay marriage?

Once you accept some cultures are inferior, it becomes ridiculous to propose they be allowed to dilute the nations culture.

I never said that all cultures are equal. It's hard to quantify them but some are better than others, sure. I think that western culture is generally totally superior to the current culture in the middle east, on the whole. That doesn't mean that we have to ban everyone from that region.

[Ostroeuropa]

Cultural relativism. Like the elites, he just can't accept that his worldview that all cultures are equal has been shattered. It's a blatant absurdity in the first place anyway, because then on what grounds do you advance causes like gay marriage?

Once you accept some cultures are inferior, it becomes ridiculous to propose they be allowed to dilute the nations culture.

I never said that all cultures are equal. It's hard to quantify them but some are better than others, sure. I think that western culture is generally totally superior to the current culture in the middle east, on the whole. That doesn't mean that we have to ban everyone from that region.

I'd be content with drastically limiting migration to prevent ghettos forming, and breaking up the ghettos to force their cultural enclaves here to dissipate.

Allowing enough migration that you essentially transplant part of Saudi fucking arabia into london is a terrible idea. You cannot whine and plead on behalf of individual muslims when you aren't transplanting individuals, you're transplanting entire communities.

At that point, COLLECTIVE judgement is necessary, and they have been found wanting in the extreme.

[Zoice]

I never said that all cultures are equal. It's hard to quantify them but some are better than others, sure. I think that western culture is generally totally superior to the current culture in the middle east, on the whole. That doesn't mean that we have to ban everyone from that region.

I'd be content with drastically limiting migration to prevent ghettos forming, and breaking up the ghettos to force their cultural enclaves here to dissipate.

Allowing enough migration that you essentially transplant part of Saudi fucking arabia into london is a terrible idea. You cannot whine and plead on behalf of individual muslims when you aren't transplanting individuals, you're transplanting entire communities.

At that point, COLLECTIVE judgement is necessary, and they have been found wanting in the extreme.

Ghettos don't form just because of mass migration, they aren't migrating in numbers big enough that it forces ghettos to form. We can break up ghettos with earnest attempts at integration, with support for them from their communities and the government to help them acclimate and live amongst the rest of the populace.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Whoever said "protection against Muslims", really? You need protection against me? And Ostroeuropa, don't break up the ghettos, improve them by getting jobs into the area, more police, better education, and good quality of life. A lot of bad things that happen come from bad areas. If you make those areas good, crime will drop.

[Ostroeuropa]

I'd be content with drastically limiting migration to prevent ghettos forming, and breaking up the ghettos to force their cultural enclaves here to dissipate.

Allowing enough migration that you essentially transplant part of Saudi fucking arabia into london is a terrible idea. You cannot whine and plead on behalf of individual muslims when you aren't transplanting individuals, you're transplanting entire communities.

At that point, COLLECTIVE judgement is necessary, and they have been found wanting in the extreme.

Ghettos don't form just because of mass migration, they aren't migrating in numbers big enough that it forces ghettos to form. We can break up ghettos with earnest attempts at integration, with support for them from their communities and the government to help them acclimate and live amongst the rest of the populace.

Nonsense, that's why the ghettos have formed, because there's too many of them before the individuals are integrated and they reinforce eachothers culture and allow parallel societies.

We've been TRYING to integrate them, it isn't working. Tolerance won't do it. We need forceful assimilation.

Ban faith schools.
Ban circumcision.
Taxation on any muslim not employed in the area living in a majority muslim area who refuses relocation.
Make the national languages the official languages and provide classes on them.
De-segregation bussing for schools.
Limit migration from Islamic countries drastically until the current enclaves are dealt with.

Just some measures that could help.

[The East Marches]

I'd be content with drastically limiting migration to prevent ghettos forming, and breaking up the ghettos to force their cultural enclaves here to dissipate.

Allowing enough migration that you essentially transplant part of Saudi fucking arabia into london is a terrible idea. You cannot whine and plead on behalf of individual muslims when you aren't transplanting individuals, you're transplanting entire communities.

At that point, COLLECTIVE judgement is necessary, and they have been found wanting in the extreme.

Ghettos don't form just because of mass migration, they aren't migrating in numbers big enough that it forces ghettos to form. We can break up ghettos with earnest attempts at integration, with support for them from their communities and the government to help them acclimate and live amongst the rest of the populace.

I'd call a couple hundred thousand people coming big enough to form ghettos. Hell, it only took a few tens of thousands to start them in Germany and France.

[The East Marches]

Whoever said "protection against Muslims", really? You need protection against me? And Ostroeuropa, don't break up the ghettos, improve them by getting jobs into the area, more police, better education, and good quality of life. A lot of bad things that happen come from bad areas. If you make those areas good, crime will drop.

Why should you be allowed a country within my country?

[Vashty]

Ghettos don't form just because of mass migration, they aren't migrating in numbers big enough that it forces ghettos to form. We can break up ghettos with earnest attempts at integration, with support for them from their communities and the government to help them acclimate and live amongst the rest of the populace.

I'd call a couple hundred thousand people coming big enough to form ghettos. Hell, it only took a few tens of thousands to start them in Germany and France.

They only form in the first place because of a lack of outside help.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Ghettos don't form just because of mass migration, they aren't migrating in numbers big enough that it forces ghettos to form. We can break up ghettos with earnest attempts at integration, with support for them from their communities and the government to help them acclimate and live amongst the rest of the populace.

Nonsense, that's why the ghettos have formed, because there's too many of them before the individuals are integrated and they reinforce eachothers culture and allow parallel societies.

We've been TRYING to integrate them, it isn't working. Tolerance won't do it. We need forceful assimilation.

Ban faith schools.
Ban circumcision.
Taxation on any muslim not employed in the area living in a majority muslim area who refuses relocation.
Make the national languages the official languages and provide classes on them.
De-segregation bussing for schools.
Limit migration from Islamic countries drastically until the current enclaves are dealt with.

Just some measures that could help.

1st off, that's gentrification, oppression and whatnot. The only thing that sounded good was the bussing part. You also sound like Hitler, no offense.

[The East Marches]

I'd call a couple hundred thousand people coming big enough to form ghettos. Hell, it only took a few tens of thousands to start them in Germany and France.

They only form in the first place because of a lack of outside help.

They get plenty of help in Europe. It's that they have no interest in assimilating.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Whoever said "protection against Muslims", really? You need protection against me? And Ostroeuropa, don't break up the ghettos, improve them by getting jobs into the area, more police, better education, and good quality of life. A lot of bad things that happen come from bad areas. If you make those areas good, crime will drop.

Why should you be allowed a country within my country?

Well, it's not really a country because they don't govern themselves. It's more of a cultural pocket. Besides, these might help tourism and diversity. And cultural understanding.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

They only form in the first place because of a lack of outside help.

They get plenty of help in Europe. It's that they have no interest in assimilating.

No one wants to assimilate. I know I don't.

[Ostroeuropa]

Nonsense, that's why the ghettos have formed, because there's too many of them before the individuals are integrated and they reinforce eachothers culture and allow parallel societies.

We've been TRYING to integrate them, it isn't working. Tolerance won't do it. We need forceful assimilation.

Ban faith schools.
Ban circumcision.
Taxation on any muslim not employed in the area living in a majority muslim area who refuses relocation.
Make the national languages the official languages and provide classes on them.
De-segregation bussing for schools.
Limit migration from Islamic countries drastically until the current enclaves are dealt with.

Just some measures that could help.

1st off, that's gentrification, oppression and whatnot. The only thing that sounded good was the bussing part. You also sound like Hitler, no offense.

I don't really care if it's Gentrification. No choice has been left.
"YOU'RE HITLER!" Yeh yeh, sure, whatever.

[Ostroeuropa]

They get plenty of help in Europe. It's that they have no interest in assimilating.

No one wants to assimilate. I know I don't.

Hence why I occasionally point out I expect all attempts to fail and mass deportation will be the eventual solution.

[The East Marches]

Why should you be allowed a country within my country?

Well, it's not really a country because they don't govern themselves. It's more of a cultural pocket. Besides, these might help tourism and diversity. And cultural understanding.

I went to London and I saw Istanbul. I didn't get what I went for and I'll not be returning either. They do govern themselves, they have their own cultural courts in some places. None of their things are in the native language. Diversity itself is an irrelevant goal. That's like saying "I want more blue on this wall" ignoring the fact that the wall is decaying.