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Does Islam belong in germany?

No. Islam does not belong in germany.
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Yes. Islam does belong in germany.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue May 31, 2016 10:17 am

Communist Xomaniax wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:So they should 'live' far away from places where it'd be easier for them? Y'know, hospitals, actual food, WORK?

They are not there as permanent residents, they're alleged refugees. As such they should be in refugee camps.

In other words, they shouldn't live in places fit for Humans?
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Postby Zoice » Tue May 31, 2016 10:18 am

Communist Xomaniax wrote:
Zoice wrote:Sources? Every single piece I've seen that wasn't pulled out of a right winger's ass has shown the majority of refugees/migrants to be willing to leave, if it was safe, and in the mean time they want to work and be a productive citizen.

Then by all means, prove it. Because that claim certainly doesn't seem to translate into real life, regardless of nation.

The "if it was safe" part is important. My battery is about to die, I'm referencing just pretty much every interview with refugees and piece on them.
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Postby Communist Xomaniax » Tue May 31, 2016 10:22 am

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Communist Xomaniax wrote:They are not there as permanent residents, they're alleged refugees. As such they should be in refugee camps.

In other words, they shouldn't live in places fit for Humans?

The camps are more than adequate to fulfill their needs. They aren't entitled to anything beyond that.
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Postby Communist Xomaniax » Tue May 31, 2016 10:23 am

Zoice wrote:
Communist Xomaniax wrote:Then by all means, prove it. Because that claim certainly doesn't seem to translate into real life, regardless of nation.

The "if it was safe" part is important. My battery is about to die, I'm referencing just pretty much every interview with refugees and piece on them.

When you get the chance, I'd like to see the evidence.
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Postby Moschetia » Tue May 31, 2016 1:13 pm

Communist Xomaniax wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:In other words, they shouldn't live in places fit for Humans?

The camps are more than adequate to fulfill their needs. They aren't entitled to anything beyond that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_refugee_camps
In Turkey, the population of Syrian refugees in 22 of the government-run camps is estimated to be around 217,000 people. There are total of 1,938,999 [1] registered Syrian refugees living in Turkey inside or outside the camps and much more unregistered.[2]

Apparently the camps are more than adequate to fulfill their needs.

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Tue May 31, 2016 1:16 pm

Moschetia wrote:
Communist Xomaniax wrote:The camps are more than adequate to fulfill their needs. They aren't entitled to anything beyond that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_refugee_camps
In Turkey, the population of Syrian refugees in 22 of the government-run camps is estimated to be around 217,000 people. There are total of 1,938,999 [1] registered Syrian refugees living in Turkey inside or outside the camps and much more unregistered.[2]

Apparently the camps are more than adequate to fulfill their needs.

Hm. Well it looks like that camp is doing good. :)
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Postby Gravlen » Tue May 31, 2016 2:09 pm

Communist Xomaniax wrote:Fewer than 500 migrants in Sweden found jobs
[...]
Remember, muslims and "brown" people can do no wrong, and if you ever object you're a racist and islamophobic.

On the other hand, you obviously can do wrong, and you do. Right here.

It's untrue that fewer than 500 migrants in Sweden found jobs. The facts are that fewer than 500 asylum seekers (494) who've arrived in Sweden during 2015 and have asylum applications pending and are between the ages 20 - 64 and have applied for and been granted work permits while waiting for the application process, have found employment.

Which is neither particularly surprising nor particularly dramatic, all things considered. The less than 30,000 people we're talking about have, after all, been in the country between 0,5 and 1,5 years, has an uncertain future (unprocessed asylum claims), and many still have to learn the language - all factors that make them less valuable on the labour market at this point in time.

A much more interesting question is how many who've been granted asylum find jobs, and that rate is significantly higher.
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Postby Teutonnica » Tue May 31, 2016 2:14 pm

Neither does the Judaeo-Christian religions. But that's beside the point.

Good.

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Tue May 31, 2016 2:15 pm

Gravlen wrote:
Communist Xomaniax wrote:Fewer than 500 migrants in Sweden found jobs
[...]
Remember, muslims and "brown" people can do no wrong, and if you ever object you're a racist and islamophobic.

On the other hand, you obviously can do wrong, and you do. Right here.

It's untrue that fewer than 500 migrants in Sweden found jobs. The facts are that fewer than 500 asylum seekers (494) who've arrived in Sweden during 2015 and have asylum applications pending and are between the ages 20 - 64 and have applied for and been granted work permits while waiting for the application process, have found employment.

Which is neither particularly surprising nor particularly dramatic, all things considered. The less than 30,000 people we're talking about have, after all, been in the country between 0,5 and 1,5 years, has an uncertain future (unprocessed asylum claims), and many still have to learn the language - all factors that make them less valuable on the labour market at this point in time.

A much more interesting question is how many who've been granted asylum find jobs, and that rate is significantly higher.

He has a point.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Gravlen » Tue May 31, 2016 2:24 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Gravlen wrote:On the other hand, you obviously can do wrong, and you do. Right here.

It's untrue that fewer than 500 migrants in Sweden found jobs. The facts are that fewer than 500 asylum seekers (494) who've arrived in Sweden during 2015 and have asylum applications pending and are between the ages 20 - 64 and have applied for and been granted work permits while waiting for the application process, have found employment.

Which is neither particularly surprising nor particularly dramatic, all things considered. The less than 30,000 people we're talking about have, after all, been in the country between 0,5 and 1,5 years, has an uncertain future (unprocessed asylum claims), and many still have to learn the language - all factors that make them less valuable on the labour market at this point in time.

A much more interesting question is how many who've been granted asylum find jobs, and that rate is significantly higher.

He has a point.

Not really.
EnragedMaldivians wrote:That's preposterous. Gravlens's not a white nationalist; Gravlen's a penguin.

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue May 31, 2016 2:48 pm

Gravlen wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:He has a point.

Not really.

I was typing about you. You have a point. My apologies if you understood what I was typing.
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Postby Major-Tom » Tue May 31, 2016 2:51 pm

Communist Xomaniax wrote:
Zoice wrote:The "if it was safe" part is important. My battery is about to die, I'm referencing just pretty much every interview with refugees and piece on them.

When you get the chance, I'd like to see the evidence.


Zoice reacts to opposing evidence like the Wicked Witch of the West reacts to water.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue May 31, 2016 2:53 pm

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Postby Gravlen » Tue May 31, 2016 2:55 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Gravlen wrote:Not really.

I was typing about you. You have a point. My apologies if you understood what I was typing.

Sorry, I misunderstood what you were saying. My bad.
EnragedMaldivians wrote:That's preposterous. Gravlens's not a white nationalist; Gravlen's a penguin.

Unio de Sovetaj Socialismaj Respublikoj wrote:There is no use arguing the definition of murder with someone who has a picture of a penguin with a chainsaw as their nations flag.

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue May 31, 2016 2:56 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/germany-sexual-assault-music-festival-cologne-darmstadt-a7057416.html

Another mass sex gang attack.

It is sad, but wy don't they also report assault against the refugees?
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue May 31, 2016 2:57 pm

Gravlen wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I was typing about you. You have a point. My apologies if you understood what I was typing.

Sorry, I misunderstood what you were saying. My bad.

It alright.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue May 31, 2016 3:01 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/germany-sexual-assault-music-festival-cologne-darmstadt-a7057416.html

Another mass sex gang attack.

It is sad, but wy don't they also report assault against the refugees?


The media regularly reports assaults against refugees, and there's plenty of establishment and institutional backing toward policies and programmes to curb islamophobia, but seemingly very little to get muslims to properly integrate or lower the rate at which the islamic community produces sex offenders which target people, especially white women, who are viewed as whores and degenerate and thus fair game by a large portion of the islamic immigrant community.

Why do you feel the need to deflect from your communities shortcomings toward more complaining about the west?
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Postby Major-Tom » Tue May 31, 2016 3:01 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/germany-sexual-assault-music-festival-cologne-darmstadt-a7057416.html

Another mass sex gang attack.

It is sad, but wy don't they also report assault against the refugees?


They do, it is just pretty apparent that crimes committed by refugees are often more dangerous and more prevalent.

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Postby The balkens » Tue May 31, 2016 3:03 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/germany-sexual-assault-music-festival-cologne-darmstadt-a7057416.html

Another mass sex gang attack.


"Tolarance".

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue May 31, 2016 3:05 pm

The balkens wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/germany-sexual-assault-music-festival-cologne-darmstadt-a7057416.html

Another mass sex gang attack.


"Tolarance".


To think all the people who've tried to conquer the world only needed to call their foes "racist" and get their middle class hipsters on side, and they wouldn't bother to defend their nation, their traditions, and their people.
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Postby The balkens » Tue May 31, 2016 3:07 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
The balkens wrote:
"Tolarance".


To think all the people who've tried to conquer the world only needed to call their foes "racist" and get their middle class hipsters on side, and they wouldn't bother to defend their nation, their traditions, and their people.


Ends justify the means to them, not that alt right is any better.

But if more incidents like this occur, its going to send people over the edge.

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue May 31, 2016 3:07 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:It is sad, but wy don't they also report assault against the refugees?

Why do you feel the need to deflect from your communities shortcomings toward more complaining about the west?

Where did I say that?
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Postby Xadufell » Tue May 31, 2016 3:07 pm

Thing I find funny is that they think criticizing or even attacking Islam is "Racist". You need to get it through your head that Islam isn't a race, it's an ideology and belief.
But that's none of my business.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue May 31, 2016 3:08 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/germany-sexual-assault-music-festival-cologne-darmstadt-a7057416.html

Another mass sex gang attack.

It is sad, but wy don't they also report assault against the refugees?


Because if they did that people might see the refugees as victims rather than some nebulous evil mass coming to destroy Europe.
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Postby The balkens » Tue May 31, 2016 3:09 pm

Vassenor wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:It is sad, but wy don't they also report assault against the refugees?


Because if they did that people might see the refugees as victims rather than some nebulous evil mass coming to destroy Europe.


and meanwhile the victims of sexual assault got lucky that this was reported so soon.

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