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Does Islam belong in germany?

No. Islam does not belong in germany.
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Yes. Islam does belong in germany.
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Postby Alsheb » Tue May 31, 2016 4:14 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Alsheb wrote:Meanwhile, a woman was raped over here during a live radio broadcast, and the judge let the perpetrator go free because it wasn't a "violent rape". It wasn't a Muslim man, so it wasn't even worth mentioning on the news.


You mean that case that was all over the news ? Complete with outcry about the reasoning of the judge ?
Perhaps you should be less selective in your newsreading/watching.


Perhaps you should read up on what "all over the news" means. It sure as hell didn't change anything in the way the country deals with rape culture nowadays. While a case of brown-skinned people committing rape is apparently enough to almost seal off the entire continent for migration.
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Postby Baltenstein » Tue May 31, 2016 4:46 am

Alsheb wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
You mean that case that was all over the news ? Complete with outcry about the reasoning of the judge ?
Perhaps you should be less selective in your newsreading/watching.


Perhaps you should read up on what "all over the news" means. It sure as hell didn't change anything in the way the country deals with rape culture nowadays. While a case of brown-skinned people committing rape is apparently enough to almost seal off the entire continent for migration.


Minor correction:

Russia has sealed itself off to Muslim refugees and is happily indulging in covering (or making up, doesn't seem to be much of a difference) Muslim rape stories.

Europe is still receiving and hosting Muslim refugees.
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El-Amin Caliphate
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue May 31, 2016 7:12 am

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Kubumba Tribe wrote:Hm, I understand you now. But history of the US and how the gov works? Actually, an immigrant actually has to know how the gov works. But why US history?


It's an aspect of American culture. Though, it's fairly easy questions. Stuff like, "Who was the first president?" Or "How many colonies were there in the original USA?" Not exactly rocket science.

Hmmmmmmmmmmm...I don't know, but I guess...it kinda makes since, and the Q&As are easy...I'm on the fence on the history...
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Postby Tahlinga » Tue May 31, 2016 7:33 am

I don't think that Muslims should be completely kept out of Germany, but only the trustworthy ones should come in. I wouldn't let anybody in unless they had an extensive background check.




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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Tue May 31, 2016 7:34 am

Tahlinga wrote:I don't think that Muslims should be completely kept out of Germany, but only the trustworthy ones should come in. I wouldn't let anybody in unless they had an extensive background check.




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Postby Tahlinga » Tue May 31, 2016 7:35 am

I don't think that Muslims should be completely kept out of Germany, but only the trustworthy ones should come in. I wouldn't let anybody in unless they had an extensive background check.




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New Commonwealths Union
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Postby New Commonwealths Union » Tue May 31, 2016 7:46 am

Tahlinga wrote:I don't think that Muslims should be completely kept out of Germany, but only the trustworthy ones should come in. I wouldn't let anybody in unless they had an extensive background check.


Sure, just make sure that being a muslim does not make you fail that check though
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Tue May 31, 2016 7:52 am

New Commonwealths Union wrote:
Tahlinga wrote:I don't think that Muslims should be completely kept out of Germany, but only the trustworthy ones should come in. I wouldn't let anybody in unless they had an extensive background check.


Sure, just make sure that being a muslim does not make you fail that check though

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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Aelex » Tue May 31, 2016 8:03 am

Alsheb wrote:Perhaps you should read up on what "all over the news" means. It sure as hell didn't change anything in the way the country deals with rape culture nowadays. While a case of brown-skinned people committing rape is apparently enough to almost seal off the entire continent for migration.

Well, there is nothing to change because there is no "rape culture" anymore in Europe but it's however the fact that there is one still very vivid and strong present in the Arabic one that's contributing to "seal off the entire continent for migration" as people don't really like to get people who not only will leach off their society but also disrespect it.
And please m8. This event actually made the news internationally with newspaper even in France talking about it. You probably should be the one learning to dose your hyperbolism if you don't want to look all the time like some screaming fool.
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Postby Victoriala » Tue May 31, 2016 8:35 am

Tahlinga wrote:I don't think that Muslims should be completely kept out of Germany, but only the trustworthy ones should come in. I wouldn't let anybody in unless they had an extensive background check.




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Communist Xomaniax
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Postby Communist Xomaniax » Tue May 31, 2016 9:07 am

Fewer than 500 migrants in Sweden found jobs, and pay 44% fewer taxes. Wowsers! Look how well that tolerance and kindness is paying off, why the muslim migrants are practically Swedes already! You're telling me they get unprecedented rape and violent crime epidemics, terrorislabor strife and deregulation, AND get to fork over extra cash? Talk about culturally enriched! I can't believe the Germans don't want that. Must just be evil racism I guess. As we all know, migrants have no duty to work or integrate, but we DO have a duty to support them. Remember, muslims and "brown" people can do no wrong, and if you ever object you're a racist and islamophobic.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue May 31, 2016 9:10 am

Communist Xomaniax wrote:Fewer than 500 migrants in Sweden found jobs, and pay 44% fewer taxes. Wowsers! Look how well that tolerance and kindness is paying off, why the muslim migrants are practically Swedes already! You're telling me they get unprecedented rape and violent crime epidemics, terrorism, AND get to fork over extra cash? Talk about culturally enriched! I can't believe the Germans don't want that. Must just be evil racism I guess. As we all know, migrants have no duty to work or integrate, but we DO have a duty to support them. Remember, muslims and "brown" people can do no wrong, and if you ever object you're a racist and islamophobic.

Well, I mean a lot of the jobs are taken by the people already there, and the prejudice one find getting a job adds to it. As for taxes, it's kinda hard to pay them when you have almost no money to do so. Also, don't twist Alsheb's words. He said there's more systemic prejudice/oppression, not that we can't do wrong.
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Postby Communist Xomaniax » Tue May 31, 2016 9:15 am

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Well, I mean a lot of the jobs are taken by the people already there, and the prejudice one find getting a job adds to it. As for taxes, it's kinda hard to pay them when you have almost no money to do so.

Er, unemployment is the lowest since 2008 in Sweden, many of the migrants could certainly find jobs if they wanted. But then again, that would mean they'd have to work instead of getting unlimited welfare, and might even have to work with *shudders* infidels and women. Way easier to cry "racist!" and blame non-existent discrimination.

You are right about one thing though: Sweden can't afford to continue this trend. Better start kicking out the migrants, or else the native Swede will begin to suffer.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue May 31, 2016 9:16 am

Communist Xomaniax wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Well, I mean a lot of the jobs are taken by the people already there, and the prejudice one find getting a job adds to it. As for taxes, it's kinda hard to pay them when you have almost no money to do so.

Er, unemployment is the lowest since 2008 in Sweden, many of the migrants could certainly find jobs if they wanted. But then again, that would mean they'd have to work instead of getting unlimited welfare, and might even have to work with *shudders* infidels and women. Way easier to cry "racist!" and blame non-existent discrimination.

Non-existent? :eyebrow: And low unemployment for whom?
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Postby Alvecia » Tue May 31, 2016 9:17 am

Communist Xomaniax wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Well, I mean a lot of the jobs are taken by the people already there, and the prejudice one find getting a job adds to it. As for taxes, it's kinda hard to pay them when you have almost no money to do so.

Er, unemployment is the lowest since 2008 in Sweden, many of the migrants could certainly find jobs if they wanted. But then again, that would mean they'd have to work instead of getting unlimited welfare, and might even have to work with *shudders* infidels and women. Way easier to cry "racist!" and blame non-existent discrimination.

Just want to point out that Sweden's unemployment rate is not a very good stick for measuring how quickly and how many of a large influx of people can get jobs.

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Postby The Alma Mater » Tue May 31, 2016 9:19 am

Alvecia wrote:
Communist Xomaniax wrote:Er, unemployment is the lowest since 2008 in Sweden, many of the migrants could certainly find jobs if they wanted. But then again, that would mean they'd have to work instead of getting unlimited welfare, and might even have to work with *shudders* infidels and women. Way easier to cry "racist!" and blame non-existent discrimination.

Just want to point out that Sweden's unemployment rate is not a very good stick for measuring how quickly and how many of a large influx of people can get jobs.


Agreed.
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Postby Communist Xomaniax » Tue May 31, 2016 9:20 am

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Non-existent? :eyebrow: And low unemployment for whom?

Yes, non-existent. Until I see some evidence to suggest otherwise, I'm not going to pretend that Sweden is some racist hellscape that suspiciously only seems to effect muslims. And unemployment is low for citizens, meaning the economy is doing well. Obviously it's higher for migrants, because if they wanted to work they wouldn't have gone all the way to Sweden.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue May 31, 2016 9:23 am

Communist Xomaniax wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Non-existent? :eyebrow: And low unemployment for whom?

Yes, non-existent. Until I see some evidence to suggest otherwise, I'm not going to pretend that Sweden is some racist hellscape that suspiciously only seems to effect muslims. And unemployment is low for citizens, meaning the economy is doing well. Obviously it's higher for migrants, because if they wanted to work they wouldn't have gone all the way to Sweden.

"Obviously it's higher for migrants, because if they wanted to work they wouldn't have gone all the way to Sweden." <-- ?
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Postby The Alma Mater » Tue May 31, 2016 9:25 am

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Communist Xomaniax wrote:Yes, non-existent. Until I see some evidence to suggest otherwise, I'm not going to pretend that Sweden is some racist hellscape that suspiciously only seems to effect muslims. And unemployment is low for citizens, meaning the economy is doing well. Obviously it's higher for migrants, because if they wanted to work they wouldn't have gone all the way to Sweden.

"Obviously it's higher for migrants, because if they wanted to work they wouldn't have gone all the way to Sweden." <-- ?


He is referring to the old meme that muslims could also have stayed in countries that does not offer them high welfare benefits; but seem unwilling to.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue May 31, 2016 9:25 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:"Obviously it's higher for migrants, because if they wanted to work they wouldn't have gone all the way to Sweden." <-- ?


He is referring to the old meme that muslims could also have stayed in countries that does not offer them high welfare benefits; but seem unwilling to.

I know, I wanted him to explain
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Postby Communist Xomaniax » Tue May 31, 2016 9:27 am

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:"Obviously it's higher for migrants, because if they wanted to work they wouldn't have gone all the way to Sweden." <-- ?

Muslim migrants flood into Sweden more than any other country and don't work, suspiciously the same country with the most lenient government and the best welfare.

To connect that to the OP, it's quite the sterling example for Germany to take in.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue May 31, 2016 9:29 am

Communist Xomaniax wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:"Obviously it's higher for migrants, because if they wanted to work they wouldn't have gone all the way to Sweden." <-- ?

Muslim migrants flood into Sweden more than any other country and don't work, suspiciously the same country with the most lenient government and the best welfare.

To connect that to the OP, it's quite the sterling example for Germany to take in.

It makes sense to go there when you just came from a country that's war-torn. Besides, I don't believe the refugees are lazy. It's just hard for them to find a job.
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Postby Aelex » Tue May 31, 2016 9:30 am

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:It makes sense to go there when you just came from a country that's war-torn. Besides, I don't believe the refugees are lazy. It's just hard for them to find a job.

It makes sense to bypass neighbooring countries ready to accept you and cross throught the entire Europe just to get some free money? :eyebrow:
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue May 31, 2016 9:31 am

Aelex wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:It makes sense to go there when you just came from a country that's war-torn. Besides, I don't believe the refugees are lazy. It's just hard for them to find a job.

It makes sense to bypass neighbooring countries ready to accept you and cross throught the entire Europe just to get some free money? :eyebrow:

Initially, yes.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Tue May 31, 2016 9:32 am

Aelex wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:It makes sense to go there when you just came from a country that's war-torn. Besides, I don't believe the refugees are lazy. It's just hard for them to find a job.

It makes sense to bypass neighbooring countries ready to accept you and cross throught the entire Europe just to get some free money? :eyebrow:


And slightly better living conditions.
Let us be fair here - none of them is planning to go back in the next few decades. Living all that time in tents or in apartments ? Gee- hard choice.
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