60% of Germans - Islam Does Not Belong In Germany.

[Northern Freikur]

With regards to Leviticus, yes, it's true that the Torah commands the death penalty for "lying with man as if woman," committing acts of blasphemy, incest and certain other offenses. It doesn't command people to actively seek out non-believers and kill them; it commands that those who spread lies about Judaism be killed, and those who commit certain sexual offenses be killed. It doesn't command the murder of innocents, like the Qu'ran does.

With regard to Numbers, it is more of a historical account than anything, not part of the Old Law, but even if you consider it to be a call to violence, it isn't commanding the murder of all non-believers, it's talking about the destruction of the Canaanites, an enemy of the Israelites; it's not talking about innocent people.

With regards to Deuteronomy, chapter two, it, again, is talking about the tribes that were enemies of the Israelites, such as the Canaanites, not innocent people; it's a moot point. With regards to Deuteronomy, chapter twenty two, yes, it commands that Israelites who commit adultery be killed. Note how I say Israelites who commit adultery; the chapter specifically states "you must purge the evil from among you," and "you must purge the evil from Israel," it doesn't command people to hunt down adulterers to the ends of the earth. It specifically bans adultery only among the Israelites and punishes it by death, not commanding all followers of God to kill them, and this law is no longer relevant in Christianity because the New Law explicitly bans killing anyone and the New Law supercedes the Old Law.

So, no, none of these things prove that the Torah demands the killing of innocents, and even if they did, the New Law supercedes the Old Law and the New Law bans violence of any kind, as can be seen in the Book of Matthew.

Wow, nice genocide apologism. Good going. I'm sure those Canaanite children were super guilty.

God created them. Thus, he has the authority to do what he wants with them.

[American Great Empire]

Oh, we'd love to kick these muslims out once and for all. Sadly enough, however, we are an American satellite, and Obama wouldn't want one of his satellites to wander off and actually create a future for itself!

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished." (Matthew 5:17-18)
The Bible says this to Christians.
So Christians are to also do what Jews did.
Mind if I show you all the other quotes from the Torah that makes it clear that the Bible is okay with the harsh cruel old Jewish laws?

Your taking it out of context keep in mind that the Greek word for "fulfill" isplerosai. According to Greek scholars, the nuance and meaning of this word is difficult to express in English, and several possibilities have been offered. These are summarized by four options:
Jesus came to accomplish or obey the Holy Scriptures,
to bring out the full meaning of the Holy Scriptures,
to bring those Scriptures to their intended completion,
to emphasize that the Scriptures point to him as Messiah and are fulfilled in his salvation work.
Not that Christians have to follow the Torah

[Netherlands Mualenia]

May I remind you that the majority of the Netherlands is atheist or agnostic?

Besides, we are civilised, a lot of this world is clearly not when they follow these imbecilic books of a desert deity.

You're missing the point.
The Muslims are actually just not worse than the Christians. Proof? That quote and other Torah quotes. The Torah encourage similar acts of violence, and you don't say kick all the Jews out of Europe.
And my quote from the bible means Christians are told to follow the same laws as the Jews, so should we kick them out too/either?
My point stands.

Because we Dutchmen live by the Bible, no?
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2 ... ay-groups/

Old Christianity in the Netherlands has died and been replaced by Dutch Christianity - a modern Christianity. Only a few fringe groups are trying to hold out but are losing members every day.
Now its Islam's turn. It shall either be destroyed or it will turn into just another form of believing in a God and accepting civilised virtues.

[Novorobo]

If that were true, you'd have done it under the Bush years. You guys had multiple chances to stop but choose to stamp down on the accelerator and go anyway. You've got nobody to blame but yourselves.

The Netherlands is luckily changing now, and with the possibility of America finally coming to its senses and electing Trump - who supports both right and leftwing ideals - we can finally topple these imbeciles in the EU and turn Europe and my homeland into what its supposed to be: A civilised continent, not one consumed by Islamic barbarism.

Trump is not remotely cut out to handle these kinds of issues. He's a habitual con man with crazed, violent supporters.

If you think Hillary Clinton is too PC on matters of Islam, push for third-party alternatives, not Trump.

[Republic of Tacos]

It's very concerning that people believe this. Irrationality.

Islam is an inherently oppressive and violent religion that produces large numbers of terrorists. What exactly is irrational about not believing this religious-political ideology belongs in your country?

You can disagree with their position, but it is certainly not irrational.

Islam is a religion. When we fight ISIS and Al Qaeda, we're fighting terrorists not a religion.

[Great Feng]

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished." (Matthew 5:17-18)
The Bible says this to Christians.
So Christians are to also do what Jews did.
Mind if I show you all the other quotes from the Torah that makes it clear that the Bible is okay with the harsh cruel old Jewish laws?

That was when Jesus was still alive. The Old Testament was still in play.

Galatians 2:16 "yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified."

New Testament.

that doesn't mean abolish the old law.
Point is, if you follow the law but don't have faith, you aren't justified/rescued. But if you follow faith and the law, then you are rescued. But you must do both, not just one. If you just have faith in Jesus, you aren't following the rules/laws. If you follow the laws, you don't have faith in Jesus, another thing considered Taboo in Christianity.

[Northern Freikur]

Oh, we'd love to kick these muslims out once and for all. Sadly enough, however, we are an American satellite, and Obama wouldn't want one of his satellites to wander off and actually create a future for itself!

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished." (Matthew 5:17-18)
The Bible says this to Christians.
So Christians are to also do what Jews did.
Mind if I show you all the other quotes from the Torah that makes it clear that the Bible is okay with the harsh cruel old Jewish laws?

Galatians 3:24, "So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith."

Try again.

[Imperializt Russia]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05 ... of-fred-a/

A pedophile V pedophilia being normalized enough that you feel comfortable conspiring with other people about it. Point is, the media isn't going to stop reporting this stuff either.

Tensions are going to continue to rise, at what point does it become pointless to hang on to the idea of multiculturalism?
Race riots?
Machete genocide mobs?
Secession movements?

It's in EVERYONES best interests to at least put a moratorium on further migration.

You mean those things that aren't really happening? The MUZZIES OWT seem to be much bigger on all three suggestions than any substantial number of Muslims are.

No. It isn't.

[The East Marches]

The Netherlands is luckily changing now, and with the possibility of America finally coming to its senses and electing Trump - who supports both right and leftwing ideals - we can finally topple these imbeciles in the EU and turn Europe and my homeland into what its supposed to be: A civilised continent, not one consumed by Islamic barbarism.

Trump is not remotely cut out to handle these kinds of issues. He's a habitual con man with crazed, violent supporters.

If you think Hillary Clinton is too PC on matters of Islam, push for third-party alternatives, not Trump.

I may agree with a few of those descriptions but its not his supporters rioting/causing problems at rallies.

[Netherlands Mualenia]

The Netherlands is luckily changing now, and with the possibility of America finally coming to its senses and electing Trump - who supports both right and leftwing ideals - we can finally topple these imbeciles in the EU and turn Europe and my homeland into what its supposed to be: A civilised continent, not one consumed by Islamic barbarism.

Trump is not remotely cut out to handle these kinds of issues. He's a habitual con man with crazed, violent supporters.

If you think Hillary Clinton is too PC on matters of Islam, push for third-party alternatives, not Trump.

Trump is a madman, which we really need right now.

I couldn't give a damn what happens inside of America, but Trump's influence on the world will be enough for us to successfully take care of the Islamic problem.

[Great Feng]

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished." (Matthew 5:17-18)
The Bible says this to Christians.
So Christians are to also do what Jews did.
Mind if I show you all the other quotes from the Torah that makes it clear that the Bible is okay with the harsh cruel old Jewish laws?

Your taking it out of context keep in mind that the Greek word for "fulfill" isplerosai. According to Greek scholars, the nuance and meaning of this word is difficult to express in English, and several possibilities have been offered. These are summarized by four options:
Jesus came to accomplish or obey the Holy Scriptures,
to bring out the full meaning of the Holy Scriptures,
to bring those Scriptures to their intended completion,
to emphasize that the Scriptures point to him as Messiah and are fulfilled in his salvation work.
Not that Christians have to follow the Torah

why would god abolish the laws he had his followers follow and enforce for centuries, suddenly? No logical explanation.

[The East Marches]

With regards to Leviticus, yes, it's true that the Torah commands the death penalty for "lying with man as if woman," committing acts of blasphemy, incest and certain other offenses. It doesn't command people to actively seek out non-believers and kill them; it commands that those who spread lies about Judaism be killed, and those who commit certain sexual offenses be killed. It doesn't command the murder of innocents, like the Qu'ran does.

With regard to Numbers, it is more of a historical account than anything, not part of the Old Law, but even if you consider it to be a call to violence, it isn't commanding the murder of all non-believers, it's talking about the destruction of the Canaanites, an enemy of the Israelites; it's not talking about innocent people.

With regards to Deuteronomy, chapter two, it, again, is talking about the tribes that were enemies of the Israelites, such as the Canaanites, not innocent people; it's a moot point. With regards to Deuteronomy, chapter twenty two, yes, it commands that Israelites who commit adultery be killed. Note how I say Israelites who commit adultery; the chapter specifically states "you must purge the evil from among you," and "you must purge the evil from Israel," it doesn't command people to hunt down adulterers to the ends of the earth. It specifically bans adultery only among the Israelites and punishes it by death, not commanding all followers of God to kill them, and this law is no longer relevant in Christianity because the New Law explicitly bans killing anyone and the New Law supercedes the Old Law.

So, no, none of these things prove that the Torah demands the killing of innocents, and even if they did, the New Law supercedes the Old Law and the New Law bans violence of any kind, as can be seen in the Book of Matthew.

Wow, nice genocide apologism. Good going. I'm sure those Canaanite children were super guilty.

Canaanites should been better soldiers and maybe they wouldn't have gotten rekt'd.

*insert intro music from Battles BC here*

[Wallenburg]

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished." (Matthew 5:17-18)
The Bible says this to Christians.
So Christians are to also do what Jews did.
Mind if I show you all the other quotes from the Torah that makes it clear that the Bible is okay with the harsh cruel old Jewish laws?

Galatians 3:24, "So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith."

Try again.

And when he came, he said, "Dang, my daddy got it right the first time! Not like I'm surprised though. Keep doing what he told ya. JC out!"

[Northern Freikur]

That was when Jesus was still alive. The Old Testament was still in play.

Galatians 2:16 "yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified."

New Testament.

that doesn't mean abolish the old law.
Point is, if you follow the law but don't have faith, you aren't justified/rescued. But if you follow faith and the law, then you are rescued. But you must do both, not just one. If you just have faith in Jesus, you aren't following the rules/laws. If you follow the laws, you don't have faith in Jesus, another thing considered Taboo in Christianity.

Galatians 3:11, "Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for 'The righteous shall live by faith.'."

Ok.

[Great Feng]

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished." (Matthew 5:17-18)
The Bible says this to Christians.
So Christians are to also do what Jews did.
Mind if I show you all the other quotes from the Torah that makes it clear that the Bible is okay with the harsh cruel old Jewish laws?

Galatians 3:24, "So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith."

Try again.

to me, that means that you only gained salvation through law. Now it means both law and faith, imo.

[Kubra]

that doesn't mean abolish the old law.
Point is, if you follow the law but don't have faith, you aren't justified/rescued. But if you follow faith and the law, then you are rescued. But you must do both, not just one. If you just have faith in Jesus, you aren't following the rules/laws. If you follow the laws, you don't have faith in Jesus, another thing considered Taboo in Christianity.

Galatians 3:11, "Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for 'The righteous shall live by faith.'."

Ok.

we get it you're protestant

[Ostroeuropa]

A pedophile V pedophilia being normalized enough that you feel comfortable conspiring with other people about it. Point is, the media isn't going to stop reporting this stuff either.

Tensions are going to continue to rise, at what point does it become pointless to hang on to the idea of multiculturalism?
Race riots?
Machete genocide mobs?
Secession movements?

It's in EVERYONES best interests to at least put a moratorium on further migration.

You mean those things that aren't really happening? The MUZZIES OWT seem to be much bigger on all three suggestions than any substantial number of Muslims are.

No. It isn't.

Thats my point. The majority of the public wants them gone, and tensions are only going to get worse. Putting a moratorium on new migrants arriving would at least assuage panic of being flooded with them. If governments fail to do so, the media is going to continue to report on these issues, or worse, not report on them, and the result will be higher tensions and more violence. Some kind of concession needs to be made, or the far-right will continue to get emboldened.
You know how pedophilia makes people go apeshit. Theres going to be more incidents. The current policies are not working.
It's driving us to ethno-religious warfare.

[Northern Freikur]

Your taking it out of context keep in mind that the Greek word for "fulfill" isplerosai. According to Greek scholars, the nuance and meaning of this word is difficult to express in English, and several possibilities have been offered. These are summarized by four options:
Jesus came to accomplish or obey the Holy Scriptures,
to bring out the full meaning of the Holy Scriptures,
to bring those Scriptures to their intended completion,
to emphasize that the Scriptures point to him as Messiah and are fulfilled in his salvation work.
Not that Christians have to follow the Torah

why would god abolish the laws he had his followers follow and enforce for centuries, suddenly? No logical explanation.

-Contradiction-

I am the only one who can contradict myself and be right. (JK)

[The Kievan People]

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished." (Matthew 5:17-18)

And yet he picks grain for his disciples on the Sabbath. A capital offense under Jewish law at the time.

The catechisms of the Catholic Church teach with good reason that the law of the old testament is incomplete and imperfect.

The entire Law of the Gospel is contained in the "new commandment" of Jesus, to love one another as he has loved us.

[The East Marches]

Trump is not remotely cut out to handle these kinds of issues. He's a habitual con man with crazed, violent supporters.

If you think Hillary Clinton is too PC on matters of Islam, push for third-party alternatives, not Trump.

Trump is a madman, which we really need right now.

I couldn't give a damn what happens inside of America, but Trump's influence on the world will be enough for us to successfully take care of the Islamic problem.

successfully take care of the Islamic problem Limburger probleem.

Jokes aside, its not us that decides your policy. We may get Trump on the off chance but that won't affect your domestic political situation. We don't CIA hitsquad European politicians that disagree with our policies.

[Wallenburg]

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished." (Matthew 5:17-18)

And yet he picks grain for his disciples on the Sabbath. A capital offense under Jewish law at the time.

The catechisms of the Catholic Church teach with good reason that the law of the old testament is incomplete and imperfect.

The entire Law of the Gospel is contained in the "new commandment" of Jesus, to love one another as he has loved us.

Too bad I'm not a Catholic.

[Novorobo]

Trump is not remotely cut out to handle these kinds of issues. He's a habitual con man with crazed, violent supporters.

If you think Hillary Clinton is too PC on matters of Islam, push for third-party alternatives, not Trump.

I may agree with a few of those descriptions but its not his supporters rioting/causing problems at rallies.

Yes. Yes it is. His rallies were the ones where protesters were met with violence; including threats of escalation to lethal violence.

Some of his opponents were "aggressors" at later rallies, but at this point it blurs the line between aggression and self-defence when you're fighting against a political campaign so steeped in violence.

[Netherlands Mualenia]

Trump is a madman, which we really need right now.

I couldn't give a damn what happens inside of America, but Trump's influence on the world will be enough for us to successfully take care of the Islamic problem.

successfully take care of the Islamic problem Limburger probleem.

Jokes aside, its not us that decides your policy. We may get Trump on the off chance but that won't affect your domestic political situation. We don't CIA hitsquad European politicians that disagree with our policies.

Obama is already trying to force the UK into staying in the EU and adhere to its socialist policy. If we are actually going to try to limit Islamic influence, he'll atleast threaten sanctions on us.

[Zottistan]

Oop, looks like we got another one.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4e9_1462455036

Tbh the Catholic church does the same thing as do the Mormons, they just manage to hide it because they're the dominant religion in Europe.

It's been a while now since the Catholic church has been getting away with raping children on any substantial scale, and I'm no expert but I don't think anybody's ever gone easy on the Mormons in that regard.

[Northern Freikur]

Galatians 3:24, "So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith."

Try again.

to me, that means that you only gained salvation through law. Now it means both law and faith, imo.

Not good enough?

Galatians 2:21 " 21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose."