60% of Germans - Islam Does Not Belong In Germany.

[Ostroeuropa]

Right, and the public of the UK at least has been very clearly against mass immigration for decades. I expect it's similar for the rest of Europe.

I'd disagree with them at least. I'd also wonder if said opinion was based on fact and logic or on emotion and fearmongering.

From a public policy standpoint it means little difference. The educational and media structures of the UK have been trying to shove multiculturalism down the publics throats for decades too, but they aren't having it.

The result is racial tension, violent outbreaks, segregation, and economic friction.

If you want a multicultural society it seems clear to me that you cannot do so when the overwhelming majority of the country doesn't want it. That isn't multiculturalism, it's the prelude to a genocide.

The white working class has been stiffed by the same administrations doing this mass migration crap, and from their perspective the migrants are more of the same fucking them over. (Lowering wages by importing people who'll do jobs for shit pay.)

If you want a multicultural society, your best bet is somewhere like Sweden and such where the white working class is treated well.

Or that's what I would have said, were it not for Sweden also being a mess of interracial tension and violence. I suspect melting pot is necessary.

[Cedoria]

1: Yes.
2: Depends on what you consider 'Liberal'. if you think I am you're way off base.
3: Don't tell me what I haven't read.
4: I didn't say it. C.S Lewis did. I quoted him.

This is not a difficult concept to grasp.

1. Then you would know that what you're saying is hogwash.
2. No, what you are saying is the typical liberal argument that all religions are the same plus a bit of education.
3. I will because if you had read it, you'd know that there was more to that quote. I highly doubt you read his whole book.
4. Yes, but that quote had context. Either you didn't read it, or you're being dishonest. Honestly, I'm starting to think you mined that quote from the "God Delusion" by Dawkins where he quotes it. Wouldn't surprise me at this point.

1: No it isn't
2: I never said they were equally bad in the same way
3: You're doubt is unjustified.
4: I am well aware the quote had context, that does not deny his clearly expressed meaning, every quote has context, that's not an argument, it's barely an observation.

[Alvecia]

I'd disagree with them at least. I'd also wonder if said opinion was based on fact and logic or on emotion and fearmongering.

From a public policy standpoint it means little difference. The educational and media structures of the UK have been trying to shove multiculturalism down the publics throats for decades too, but they aren't having it.

The result is racial tension, violent outbreaks, segregation, and economic friction.

If you want a multicultural society it seems clear to me that you cannot do so when the overwhelming majority of the country doesn't want it. That isn't multiculturalism, it's the prelude to a genocide.

The white working class has been stiffed by the same administrations doing this mass migration crap, and from their perspective the migrants are more of the same fucking them over. (Lowering wages by importing people who'll do jobs for shit pay.)

If you want a multicultural society, your best bet is somewhere like Sweden and such where the white working class is treated well.

Or that's what I would have said, were it not for Sweden also being a mess of interracial tension and violence. I suspect melting pot is necessary.

I wouldn't necessarily agree that the population don't want mulitculturalism, but I will agree that government methods to encourage integration may have done more harm than good. Just another example of the government trying to legislate on things it knows nothing about.
Multiculutralism is an odd thing, somewhat reliant on certain factors than I don't believe currently support it.

[Allanea]

The result is racial tension, violent outbreaks, segregation, and economic friction.

If you want a multicultural society it seems clear to me that you cannot do so when the overwhelming majority of the country doesn't want it. That isn't multiculturalism, it's the prelude to a genocide.

If the overwhelming majority of the country doesn't want it, they can surely throw out the government that supports it in an election.

But they won't.

Neither in the US nor in Germany.

Merkel is still going to be Chancellor, Hillary is going to be President.

[Vassenor]

If you're so entitled about which country you get housed at, I think "Fearing for your life" might not be your motivation. Sounds more like economic migration.
So they're illegally entering countries in groups, and using violence to get further and further into european territory, where they expect to be able to get money.
Sounds like an invasion to me.

For someone who I've noticed typically places a lot of emphasis on evidence, this line of thinking seems very presumptuous.
I don't think people fleeing for their lives and or wellbeing should feel obligated to only move one country over.

Everyone knows you only need evidence if you're saying that refugees aren't all welfare queens and terrorist sleeper agents.

[Germanic Scyths]

Yes, theologically they are different I agree with that. But would that have mattered? Leaders are often prescribed to their individual characters, rather than religion. A ruler who is Zoroaster does not guarantee that the welfare of the people will be satisfied. Neither is a ruler who is a Muslim inherently bad.

Zoroaster was far more peaceful than Muhammad ever was. Zoroastrianism and duality more or less influenced Christianity (although not in full, since Christianity came from a Jewish prophet if i am right).

If Iran was still a Zoroastrian country, the chances of becoming a theocracy would be slimmer, given the non-violent nature of the Zoroastrian scripture. All it advocates is to be of good character and reject bad influences. Similar to Christianity.

Again, it does not give a guarantee that Persia would have gotten a more peaceful history, but I give you that Iran as we know now would not have existed if Islam didn't spread in Iran.

And yes, Zoroaster did influence Christianity as far as I know, but not as much as Mani did.

[Stormopolis]

Here we go again.
[url]shoebat.com/2016/05/17/muslims-ambush-fifty-christians-slit-their-throats-and-slaughter-all-of-them/[/url]

Religion of peace, everybody! Quick, get more of these peaceful people in here. Forget the background checks, forget registration and fingerprints, we need peace NAO!

[Alvecia]

Here we go again.
[url]shoebat.com/2016/05/17/muslims-ambush-fifty-christians-slit-their-throats-and-slaughter-all-of-them/[/url]

Religion of peace, everybody! Quick, get more of these peaceful people in here. Forget the background checks, forget registration and fingerprints, we need peace NAO!

Oh my God, look at that! The entire Muslim population just up and killed 50 Christians.

[Allanea]

The plural of anecdote is not data.

[Alvecia]

The plural of anecdote is not data.

Oooh, nice. I'll be stealing that

[Vassenor]

Here we go again.
[url]shoebat.com/2016/05/17/muslims-ambush-fifty-christians-slit-their-throats-and-slaughter-all-of-them/[/url]

Religion of peace, everybody! Quick, get more of these peaceful people in here. Forget the background checks, forget registration and fingerprints, we need peace NAO!

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Walid_Shoebat

Uh-huh. Sure.

[Cedoria]

Here we go again.
[url]shoebat.com/2016/05/17/muslims-ambush-fifty-christians-slit-their-throats-and-slaughter-all-of-them/[/url]

Religion of peace, everybody! Quick, get more of these peaceful people in here. Forget the background checks, forget registration and fingerprints, we need peace NAO!

Major strawman, no one is suggesting completely open borders to all and sundry, we are discussing more humane methods of dealing with the issue. But feel free to rage against the PC Leftists for positions they don't actually hold:)

[Stormopolis]

Here we go again.
[url]shoebat.com/2016/05/17/muslims-ambush-fifty-christians-slit-their-throats-and-slaughter-all-of-them/[/url]

Religion of peace, everybody! Quick, get more of these peaceful people in here. Forget the background checks, forget registration and fingerprints, we need peace NAO!

Major strawman, no one is suggesting completely open borders to all and sundry, we are discussing more humane methods of dealing with the issue. But feel free to rage against the PC Leftists for positions they don't actually hold:)

Even if alternate solutions are suggested, they will be ignored because not left. Then a few months later the plans will surface again, being giben by left, and then suddenly it's a great idea. Has happened here dozens of times. So sick of it.

Edit:

You know. It's always "not representative of the entire population" or "skewed data" or "he was confused" or "not a real moslem" or "he misinterpreted it" or "it was a lone incident." When a thousand "incidents" follow with a common denominator, it's not called an incident anymore. Those things are called "trends."

Also, if it's not real moslems and the majority is silent? Then speak the tuck up and sort that shiz out!

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Major strawman, no one is suggesting completely open borders to all and sundry, we are discussing more humane methods of dealing with the issue. But feel free to rage against the PC Leftists for positions they don't actually hold:)

Even if alternate solutions are suggested, they will be ignored because not left. Then a few months later the plans will surface again, being giben by left, and then suddenly it's a great idea. Has happened here dozens of times. So sick of it.

Edit:

You know. It's always "not representative of the entire population" or "skewed data" or "he was confused" or "not a real moslem" or "he misinterpreted it" or "it was a lone incident." When a thousand "incidents" follow with a common denominator, it's not called an incident anymore. Those things are called "trends."

Also, if it's not real moslems and the majority is silent? Then speak the tuck up and sort that shiz out!

Your right on your last sentence. We Muslims do need to speak out against those who warp Al-Islam to their own wants. But Non-Muslims also have to keep up their end too by educating others about Al-Islam and showing them the truth about Al-Islam, not as the media shows it. But in your 2nd paragraph, they're still incidents because 1: The vast majority of 1.6 billion Muslims and counting don't support terrorists, and 2: Terrorism isn't compatible to Al-Islam.

[Vassenor]

Major strawman, no one is suggesting completely open borders to all and sundry, we are discussing more humane methods of dealing with the issue. But feel free to rage against the PC Leftists for positions they don't actually hold:)

Even if alternate solutions are suggested, they will be ignored because not left. Then a few months later the plans will surface again, being giben by left, and then suddenly it's a great idea. Has happened here dozens of times. So sick of it.

Edit:

You know. It's always "not representative of the entire population" or "skewed data" or "he was confused" or "not a real moslem" or "he misinterpreted it" or "it was a lone incident." When a thousand "incidents" follow with a common denominator, it's not called an incident anymore. Those things are called "trends."

Also, if it's not real moslems and the majority is silent? Then speak the tuck up and sort that shiz out!

"Crimes committed by Muslims will be a pan-Islamic plot and proof of Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of loners who do not represent their belief system at all."

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Even if alternate solutions are suggested, they will be ignored because not left. Then a few months later the plans will surface again, being giben by left, and then suddenly it's a great idea. Has happened here dozens of times. So sick of it.

Edit:

You know. It's always "not representative of the entire population" or "skewed data" or "he was confused" or "not a real moslem" or "he misinterpreted it" or "it was a lone incident." When a thousand "incidents" follow with a common denominator, it's not called an incident anymore. Those things are called "trends."

Also, if it's not real moslems and the majority is silent? Then speak the tuck up and sort that shiz out!

"Crimes committed by Muslims will be a pan-Islamic plot and proof of Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of loners who do not represent their belief system at all."

I remember seeing that stupidity (not calling the typer stupid). Who had/has it?

[Aelex]

If the overwhelming majority of the country doesn't want it, they can surely throw out the government that supports it in an election.

But they won't.

Neither in the US nor in Germany.

Merkel is still going to be Chancellor, Hillary is going to be President.

Sure. You can vote for the left wing party that is for multiculturalism. Or maybe for the centrist party that is for multiculturalism. Or rather vote for the rightist party that is also for multiculturalism. What an "embarras du choix".

I mean, don't get surprised when people start to vote for the far-right, because you're the one that paved their road to mainstream acceptance.

[Aelex]

I remember seeing that stupidity (not calling the typer stupid). Who had/has it?

Sarcasm.
Learn it, live it, love it.

[Acarn]

Major strawman, no one is suggesting completely open borders to all and sundry, we are discussing more humane methods of dealing with the issue. But feel free to rage against the PC Leftists for positions they don't actually hold:)

Even if alternate solutions are suggested, they will be ignored because not left. Then a few months later the plans will surface again, being giben by left, and then suddenly it's a great idea. Has happened here dozens of times. So sick of it.

Edit:

You know. It's always "not representative of the entire population" or "skewed data" or "he was confused" or "not a real moslem" or "he misinterpreted it" or "it was a lone incident." When a thousand "incidents" follow with a common denominator, it's not called an incident anymore. Those things are called "trends."

Also, if it's not real moslems and the majority is silent? Then speak the tuck up and sort that shiz out!

So you intentionally ignore the thousands of muslims fighting against these extremists, both physically against ISIS and working to root out fundamentalism? Sure as long as you ignore the truth ur point works.

[Allanea]

Also, if it's not real moslems and the majority is silent? Then speak the tuck up and sort that shiz out!

The majority of Muslims is not silent.

The leading religious scholars have condemned radical Jihadis.

Tens of thousands of Muslims are right now fighting against the radical Jihadis in the trenches.

Thousands are giving their lives to stop the radical Jihadis.

[Aelex]

Also, if it's not real moslems and the majority is silent? Then speak the tuck up and sort that shiz out!

The majority of Muslims is not silent.

The leading religious scholars have condemned radical Jihadis.

Tens of thousands of Muslims are right now fighting against the radical Jihadis in the trenches.

Thousands are giving their lives to stop the radical Jihadis.

[citation needed]

[Allanea]

Here's a hundred or so:

http://kurzman.unc.edu/islamic-statemen ... terrorism/

[Olerand]

Also, if it's not real moslems and the majority is silent? Then speak the tuck up and sort that shiz out!

The majority of Muslims is not silent.

The leading religious scholars have condemned radical Jihadis.

Tens of thousands of Muslims are right now fighting against the radical Jihadis in the trenches.

Thousands are giving their lives to stop the radical Jihadis.

The problem isn't that the stream of Islam that is Jihadism -or even the Wahabbism that leads to Jihadism- is the majority, but that the main river of Islam from which that stream emanates is far, far, to the right. The Salafi stream is closer to the main Islamic river than the liberal stream is. That is the problem.

[Jamzmania]

Also, if it's not real moslems and the majority is silent? Then speak the tuck up and sort that shiz out!

The majority of Muslims is not silent.

The leading religious scholars have condemned radical Jihadis.

Tens of thousands of Muslims are right now fighting against the radical Jihadis in the trenches.

Thousands are giving their lives to stop the radical Jihadis.

Many religious leaders may condemn these fundamentalists, but many of them still uphold the interpretations which justify this jihad.

[Greater Tezdrian]

The majority of Muslims is not silent.

The leading religious scholars have condemned radical Jihadis.

Tens of thousands of Muslims are right now fighting against the radical Jihadis in the trenches.

Thousands are giving their lives to stop the radical Jihadis.

[citation needed]

http://www.lettertobaghdadi.com/