US General Election Megathread: Trump vs Clinton

[Shrillland]

Trump: The minimum wage needs to go up, and we need to tax the wealthy more.

Thousands of republican donors suddenly cried out in terror... and were suddenly silenced.

And thousands of Progressives also cried out in terror, for they knew that he could seize the centrists in the Great Lakes with such promises.

[New Jerzylvania]

You wonder why the Koch brothers endorsed Hillary lol.

Trump, again folks, isn't some far right ideologue, he's an authoritarian populist who'll say whatever comes to mind to get elected. He isn't as dangerous as some say he is, but he's certainly a piece of garbage coming straight from the cesspool of NYC.

Still better than Cruz, though, glad we got rid of that slimeball.

Oh well, I'm voting Libertarian, although I'm going to be existentially depressed for months after Clinton wins the election.

Gary Johnson though, will at least get double digits, and could with how all kinds of people dislike both Clinton and Trump, could beat Ross Perot's 1992 performance by a good bit

Over 19% will be quite a lift.

Trump: The minimum wage needs to go up, and we need to tax the wealthy more.

Thousands of republican donors suddenly cried out in terror... and were suddenly silenced.

And thousands of Progressives also cried out in terror, for they knew that he could seize the centrists in the Great Lakes with such promises.

Except the electorate will be reminded over and over, that Ttump is a HUGE flip-flopper and more to the point, a convicted liar.

[Major-Tom]

Gary Johnson though, will at least get double digits, and could with how all kinds of people dislike both Clinton and Trump, could beat Ross Perot's 1992 performance by a good bit

Over 19% will be quite a lift.

And thousands of Progressives also cried out in terror, for they knew that he could seize the centrists in the Great Lakes with such promises.

Except the electorate will be reminded over and over, that Ttump is a HUGE flip-flopper and more to the point, a convicted liar.

Just like his opponent.

[Ashmoria]

Ryan and McCain may lose their primary battles.

Highly doubt that.

possible, though. Especially Ryan, one poll has him losing by five points to his pro trump opponent.

that's the downside of a late local-only primary. only the most ardent of the base will vote. of course ryan has the example of cantor to warn him that he really does need to campaign for the nomination this time.

[Geilinor]

Over 19% will be quite a lift.



Except the electorate will be reminded over and over, that Ttump is a HUGE flip-flopper and more to the point, a convicted liar.

Just like his opponent.

His opponent has a far better record. http://www.politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/
Trump's record is ghastly. He's only true or mostly true 10% of the time.

[New Jerzylvania]

Over 19% will be quite a lift.



Except the electorate will be reminded over and over, that Ttump is a HUGE flip-flopper and more to the point, a convicted liar.

Just like his opponent.

So the needle won't be moved. Clinton +300 electoral votes.

[Morgantown West Virginia]

Gary Johnson though, will at least get double digits, and could with how all kinds of people dislike both Clinton and Trump, could beat Ross Perot's 1992 performance by a good bit

Over 19% will be quite a lift.

In the March Momouth before Gary Johnson got all this attention just really starting last week, he was polling at 11% with Trump and Clinton

http://www.monmouth.edu/assets/0/322122 ... 5f8e61.pdf

[New Jerzylvania]

Over 19% will be quite a lift.

In the March Momouth before Gary Johnson got all this attention just really starting last week, he was polling at 11% with Trump and Clinton

http://www.monmouth.edu/assets/0/322122 ... 5f8e61.pdf

I'd love to see the next poll show who he's potentially taking votes from. Some will say neither.

[Utceforp]

In the March Momouth before Gary Johnson got all this attention just really starting last week, he was polling at 11% with Trump and Clinton

http://www.monmouth.edu/assets/0/322122 ... 5f8e61.pdf

I'd love to see the next poll show who he's potentially taking votes from. Some will say neither.

I'd guess Trump. Libertarians tend to gravitate to the GOP, and at the same time would probably not be fond of Trump.

[Hardknock]

I'd love to see the next poll show who he's potentially taking votes from. Some will say neither.

Yup.
This will pretty much be "F it, Im staying home." 3.0

[Morgantown West Virginia]

I'd love to see the next poll show who he's potentially taking votes from. Some will say neither.

I'd guess Trump. Libertarians tend to gravitate to the GOP, and at the same time would probably not be fond of Trump.

Funny that Gary Johnson says he takes more votes from Clinton than Trump.

[Major-Tom]

I'd guess Trump. Libertarians tend to gravitate to the GOP, and at the same time would probably not be fond of Trump.

Funny that Gary Johnson says he takes more votes from Clinton than Trump.

Yeah. He might draw in some disillusioned Sanders supporters, but he'll draw in plenty of disillusioned folk from the Mountain West and suburban conservatives.

[Morgantown West Virginia]

Funny that Gary Johnson says he takes more votes from Clinton than Trump.

Yeah. He might draw in some disillusioned Sanders supporters, but he'll draw in plenty of disillusioned folk from the Mountain West and suburban conservatives.

Third-way race for president?

[Sadist France]

Yeah. He might draw in some disillusioned Sanders supporters, but he'll draw in plenty of disillusioned folk from the Mountain West and suburban conservatives.

Third-way race for president?

We can only hope

[Morgantown West Virginia]

BREAKING: Former Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer "willing" to be Trump's VP.
http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/pol ... /84113906/

[Geilinor]

BREAKING: Former Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer "willing" to be Trump's VP.
http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/pol ... /84113906/

"This woman thing has gotten way out of control, I believe. And I think it's been driven by the left."​

Lol. McCain picked Palin and started it. And Cruz made Fiorina his "running mate". It's Republicans who seem to have a trend of picking incompetent women for being women.

[New Jerzylvania]

BREAKING: Former Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer "willing" to be Trump's VP.
http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/pol ... /84113906/

"This woman thing has gotten way out of control, I believe. And I think it's been driven by the left."​

Lol. McCain picked Palin and started it. And Cruz made Fiorina his "running mate". It's Republicans who seem to have a trend of picking incompetent women for being women.

That's a sad reasoning to start with... but I get it.

Well, he would avoid losing AZ and possibly save McCain. I doubt that gets McCain on board though after his prisoner comments. I also strongly doubt it wins the general for him or makes it real close.

OTOH, Jan Brewer actually would make Hillary look attractive.

[AiliailiA]

Proof?

http://prntly.com/2016/05/07/paul-ryan- ... -new-poll/

A little biased of course, but it is the only hard data we have so far.

I've never heard of AMP Calypso. Seems to be a SuperPAC, previously taken money to support Carson.
And this "story" has only appeared on prntly (https://t.co/779ukWVW9g) and Free Republic.

"A little biased" isn't the half of it.

[AiliailiA]

And Cruz made Fiorina his "running mate".

Like two days before dropping out. I can see why he did it (desperate ploy for Indiana) but she must be feeling a bit burned on that.

[Major-Tom]

BREAKING: Former Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer "willing" to be Trump's VP.
http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/pol ... /84113906/

"This woman thing has gotten way out of control, I believe. And I think it's been driven by the left."​

Lol. McCain picked Palin and started it. And Cruz made Fiorina his "running mate". It's Republicans who seem to have a trend of picking incompetent women for being women.

In fairness, Arizona does love Brewer for the most part. I say this as an Arizonan.

I wasn't a big fan, but hey, many Arizonans liked her. This could maybe help Trump in Arizona, where he needs to at least make sure Hispanics here know that he isn't going to mass deport them or whatever.

It's sad, you know, when the GOP has to target Arizona, a state that is usually so staunchly red.

[Major-Tom]

And Cruz made Fiorina his "running mate".

Like two days before dropping out. I can see why he did it (desperate ploy for Indiana) but she must be feeling a bit burned on that.

Nobody blames Carly, though.

[Morgantown West Virginia]

http://prntly.com/2016/05/07/paul-ryan- ... -new-poll/

A little biased of course, but it is the only hard data we have so far.

I've never heard of AMP Calypso. Seems to be a SuperPAC, previously taken money to support Carson.
And this "story" has only appeared on prntly (https://t.co/779ukWVW9g) and Free Republic.

"A little biased" isn't the half of it.

Yea, I do not think that is a correct poll, but if Paul Ryan loses in the primary, Trump would have everybody is the GOP at his feet.

[AiliailiA]

In the March Momouth before Gary Johnson got all this attention just really starting last week, he was polling at 11% with Trump and Clinton

http://www.monmouth.edu/assets/0/322122 ... 5f8e61.pdf

I'd love to see the next poll show who he's potentially taking votes from. Some will say neither.

Libertarians always poll better than their election results.

2008: In 4-way polls (D, R, L, I(Nader)) Barr got between 1% and 6%. In the election he got 0.4%
2012: In 5-way polls (D, R, L, G, Const) Johnson got 2-3%. In the election he got 1%

[New Jerzylvania]

I'd love to see the next poll show who he's potentially taking votes from. Some will say neither.

Libertarians always poll better than their election results.

2008: In 4-way polls (D, R, L, I(Nader)) Barr got between 1% and 6%. In the election he got 0.4%
2012: In 5-way polls (D, R, L, G, Const) Johnson got 2-3%. In the election he got 1%

Good post.

[Ostroeuropa]

Trump has closed Hillaries gap by 4% in the last month.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... -5491.html

And there is possibly a Bradley Effect with Trump where polls underestimate him.

I suspect we're heading for a DEWEY DEFEATS TRUMAN moment. The media has been constantly shit talking Donalds chances from the beginning, and he's proved them wrong all the way.
His recent move to the left and hillaries to the right will only make this more apparent I suspect.

We'll see the polling gap continue to close.

(April 1st: 10.9 -> May 4th 6.5)

Some polls suggest as much as 5% of people are too embaressed to admit they vote Trump to pollsters, but will admit it to robot pollsters.
The election may be much closer, like, 2% or so.

This benefits Donald, because Clinton will burn away some of her lead by pandering to the corporate elite a bit, thinking she has votes to spare, and Donald will start appealing to a wider base to close the gap.

This has all the ingrediants for a surprise Trump victory.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/commentary- ... s-support/

My prediction:
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