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Who will win the election?

Donald Trump
27
29%
Hillary Clinton
52
55%
Gary Johnson
10
11%
Jill Stein
5
5%
 
Total votes : 94

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Galloism
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Postby Galloism » Sat May 07, 2016 8:45 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:I would like to see a Trump victory. America needs it.

Did we do something wrong we need to be punished for?

Is this like a spanking?
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sat May 07, 2016 8:50 pm

Galloism wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:I would like to see a Trump victory. America needs it.

Did we do something wrong we need to be punished for?

Is this like a spanking?


What do you mean?

He will lead America to greatness.

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Galloism
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Postby Galloism » Sat May 07, 2016 8:51 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Galloism wrote:Did we do something wrong we need to be punished for?

Is this like a spanking?


What do you mean?

He will lead America to greatness.

Maybe if one measures greatness by comedy value.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
The Parkus Empire: Being serious on NSG is like wearing a suit to a nude beach.
New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.


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Ostroeuropa
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat May 07, 2016 8:51 pm

Galloism wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
What do you mean?

He will lead America to greatness.

Maybe if one measures greatness by comedy value.


Only partially.

WE'RE GONNA MAKE
AMERICA
GREAT
AGAIN


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9l6ouupdfI
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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The Romulan Republic
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Postby The Romulan Republic » Sat May 07, 2016 8:54 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Galloism wrote:Did we do something wrong we need to be punished for?

Is this like a spanking?


What do you mean?

He will lead America to greatness.


Trump and his supporters mistake posturing for greatness, bullying for power, and bravado for strength.

It is a very shallow, thuggish concept of greatness.
"Our progress in degeneracy appears to me to be pretty rapid. As a nation, we began by declaring that "all men are created equal." We now practically read it "all men are created equal, except negroes" When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read "all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics." When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretence of loving liberty -- to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocracy." - President Abraham Lincoln.

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The Hobbesian Metaphysician
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Postby The Hobbesian Metaphysician » Sat May 07, 2016 8:58 pm

The election that guarentees we will all die in 2077 from atomic hellfife.
I am just going to lay it out here, I am going to be very blunt.

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Grand Britannia
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Postby Grand Britannia » Sat May 07, 2016 9:00 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Galloism wrote:Maybe if one measures greatness by comedy value.


Only partially.

WE'RE GONNA MAKE
AMERICA
GREAT
AGAIN


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9l6ouupdfI


Trump bullied Jeb into oblivion.

I still remember how he bought his campaign site because he didn't pay for it, man knows no chill.
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Postby Kelinfort » Sat May 07, 2016 9:02 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:I would like to see a Trump victory. America needs it.

No

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Galloism
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Postby Galloism » Sat May 07, 2016 9:03 pm

Kelinfort wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:I would like to see a Trump victory. America needs it.

No

I'm still wondering what we did collectively as Americans to offend him so much.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
The Parkus Empire: Being serious on NSG is like wearing a suit to a nude beach.
New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.


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Ostroeuropa
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat May 07, 2016 9:04 pm

Galloism wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:No

I'm still wondering what we did collectively as Americans to offend him so much.


A nationalist USA will be better for the global economy, since it will allow other western nations to turn to Nationalism. We can finally see the back of the globalist elites and megacorporations.
Ostro.MOV

There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby The Romulan Republic » Sat May 07, 2016 9:05 pm

Kelinfort wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:I would like to see a Trump victory. America needs it.

No


Doesn't really do it justice.

More like "NOOOOOOOOO! Oh Merciful God, NOOOOOO!"
"Our progress in degeneracy appears to me to be pretty rapid. As a nation, we began by declaring that "all men are created equal." We now practically read it "all men are created equal, except negroes" When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read "all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics." When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretence of loving liberty -- to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocracy." - President Abraham Lincoln.

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The Romulan Republic
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Postby The Romulan Republic » Sat May 07, 2016 9:06 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Galloism wrote:I'm still wondering what we did collectively as Americans to offend him so much.


A nationalist USA will be better for the global economy, since it will allow other western nations to turn to Nationalism. We can finally see the back of the globalist elites and megacorporations.


Nationalism has been the cause of so much pointless war, hate, and division. And in a world of mass communication and transport, isolationism is even more a fantasy than it ever was. You can't even pretend to disconnect from the rest of the world without pulling a Kim Jong Un.
"Our progress in degeneracy appears to me to be pretty rapid. As a nation, we began by declaring that "all men are created equal." We now practically read it "all men are created equal, except negroes" When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read "all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics." When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretence of loving liberty -- to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocracy." - President Abraham Lincoln.

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Dmitrium
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Ex-Nation

Postby Dmitrium » Sat May 07, 2016 9:07 pm

Galloism wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:I would like to see a Trump victory. America needs it.

Did we do something wrong we need to be punished for?

Is this like a spanking?



Stupid dumb nigger hater, GTFO you stupid liberal

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Ostroeuropa
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat May 07, 2016 9:07 pm

The Romulan Republic wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
A nationalist USA will be better for the global economy, since it will allow other western nations to turn to Nationalism. We can finally see the back of the globalist elites and megacorporations.


Nationalism has been the cause of so much pointless war, hate, and division. And in a world of mass communication and transport, isolationism is even more a fantasy than it ever was. You can't even pretend to disconnect from the rest of the world without pulling a Kim Jong Un.


Western democracies will not go to war with eachother over nationalist bullshit. It's absurd to suggest they might. Our culture and kinship keep us united, not merely our economy.
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Ostro.MOV

There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby The Romulan Republic » Sat May 07, 2016 9:08 pm

Dmitrium wrote:
Galloism wrote:Did we do something wrong we need to be punished for?

Is this like a spanking?



Stupid dumb nigger hater, GTFO you stupid liberal


You won't be here long, I think.
"Our progress in degeneracy appears to me to be pretty rapid. As a nation, we began by declaring that "all men are created equal." We now practically read it "all men are created equal, except negroes" When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read "all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics." When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretence of loving liberty -- to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocracy." - President Abraham Lincoln.

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Postby Galloism » Sat May 07, 2016 9:08 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Galloism wrote:I'm still wondering what we did collectively as Americans to offend him so much.


A nationalist USA will be better for the global economy, since it will allow other western nations to turn to Nationalism. We can finally see the back of the globalist elites and megacorporations.

You know, I enjoy playing Eve Online as much as the next guy.

Not looking to make it reality.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
The Parkus Empire: Being serious on NSG is like wearing a suit to a nude beach.
New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.


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Postby Spiffier » Sat May 07, 2016 9:10 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
The Romulan Republic wrote:
Nationalism has been the cause of so much pointless war, hate, and division. And in a world of mass communication and transport, isolationism is even more a fantasy than it ever was. You can't even pretend to disconnect from the rest of the world without pulling a Kim Jong Un.


Western democracies will not go to war with eachother over nationalist bullshit. It's absurd to suggest they might. Our culture and kinship keep us united, not merely our economy.

Our culture and kinship don't even keep us united within a single nation.

We don't go to war because of the costs, not because of some /pol/ fantasy about the Western identity, which has never been peaceful with itself.
He whose will and desire in conversation is to establish his own opinion, even though what he says is true, should recognize that he is sick with the devil’s disease. And if he behaves like this only in conversation with his equals, then perhaps the rebuke of his superiors may heal him. But if he acts in this way even with those who are greater and wiser than he, then his malady is humanly incurable.

-Saint John of the Ladder

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Postby Kelinfort » Sat May 07, 2016 9:12 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Galloism wrote:I'm still wondering what we did collectively as Americans to offend him so much.


A nationalist USA will be better for the global economy, since it will allow other western nations to turn to Nationalism. We can finally see the back of the globalist elites and megacorporations.

Tell me how less global trade is a good idea.

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The Romulan Republic
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Postby The Romulan Republic » Sat May 07, 2016 9:13 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
The Romulan Republic wrote:
Nationalism has been the cause of so much pointless war, hate, and division. And in a world of mass communication and transport, isolationism is even more a fantasy than it ever was. You can't even pretend to disconnect from the rest of the world without pulling a Kim Jong Un.


Western democracies will not go to war with eachother over nationalist bullshit. It's absurd to suggest they might. Our culture and kinship keep us united, not merely our economy.


Ah, so we'll just go to war with those dirty non-westerners/non-white people? :evil:

Also... define "western democracies". You could include Russia under that label, or you could have at one point, yet we're arguably in a second Cold War with them now.

Finally, predictions about the future have a way of being wrong, and there isn't really a single homogenous western culture, much as some bigots might like to think their is. There is a world of difference, culturally, between, say, me and George W. Bush, though we could both fit very broadly under "western democratic culture". And we're both Americans. Take someone from France or Britain, and the gap might be even bigger.

But your reference to "kinship" shows what you really mean, I dare say. Race-based "unity" against non-white people.
"Our progress in degeneracy appears to me to be pretty rapid. As a nation, we began by declaring that "all men are created equal." We now practically read it "all men are created equal, except negroes" When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read "all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics." When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretence of loving liberty -- to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocracy." - President Abraham Lincoln.

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Ostroeuropa
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat May 07, 2016 9:13 pm

Kelinfort wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
A nationalist USA will be better for the global economy, since it will allow other western nations to turn to Nationalism. We can finally see the back of the globalist elites and megacorporations.

Tell me how less global trade is a good idea.


For the globe? It isn't.
For the west?

Because we can get a better deal on our trading.

The third world will get fucked from it, but I don't really care. If they go democratic and liberal i'll give a fuck about them, I don't see why we should fund the decline of Humanities only hope for a bright future to fund the rise of some backwards tyrannical states.

Global GDP would drop, but the west would be able to exploit tyrannies better from it instead of corporations demanding western free persons compete with what amounts to sentient objects owned by tyrants.

How am I supposed to compete with a Slave? How are any of us?
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Ostro.MOV

There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby Spiffier » Sat May 07, 2016 9:15 pm

Kelinfort wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
A nationalist USA will be better for the global economy, since it will allow other western nations to turn to Nationalism. We can finally see the back of the globalist elites and megacorporations.

Tell me how less global trade is a good idea.

I don't think the global trade is an issue so much as our policy toward it, which is weighted for massive import without close to equal export.
He whose will and desire in conversation is to establish his own opinion, even though what he says is true, should recognize that he is sick with the devil’s disease. And if he behaves like this only in conversation with his equals, then perhaps the rebuke of his superiors may heal him. But if he acts in this way even with those who are greater and wiser than he, then his malady is humanly incurable.

-Saint John of the Ladder

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Postby Kelinfort » Sat May 07, 2016 9:15 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:Tell me how less global trade is a good idea.


For the globe? It isn't.
For the west?

Because we can get a better deal on our trading.

The third world will get fucked from it, but I don't really care. If they go democratic and liberal i'll give a fuck about them, I don't see why we should fund the decline of Humanities only hope for a bright future to fund the rise of some backwards tyrannical states.

Global GDP would drop, but the west would be able to exploit tyrannies better from it instead of corporations demanding western free persons compete with sentient objects owned by tyrants.

"Fuck you, I got mine"

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat May 07, 2016 9:16 pm

Kelinfort wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
For the globe? It isn't.
For the west?

Because we can get a better deal on our trading.

The third world will get fucked from it, but I don't really care. If they go democratic and liberal i'll give a fuck about them, I don't see why we should fund the decline of Humanities only hope for a bright future to fund the rise of some backwards tyrannical states.

Global GDP would drop, but the west would be able to exploit tyrannies better from it instead of corporations demanding western free persons compete with sentient objects owned by tyrants.

"Fuck you, I got mine"


No kelinfort.
"Fuck you, we have all the libraries and your leader burns books. We need to keep them open."

Why should the west make itself poorer for these people?
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Ostro.MOV

There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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The Romulan Republic
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Postby The Romulan Republic » Sat May 07, 2016 9:17 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:Tell me how less global trade is a good idea.


For the globe? It isn't.
For the west?

Because we can get a better deal on our trading.

The third world will get fucked from it, but I don't really care. If they go democratic and liberal i'll give a fuck about them, I don't see why we should fund the decline of Humanities only hope for a bright future to fund the rise of some backwards tyrannical states.

Global GDP would drop, but the west would be able to exploit tyrannies better from it instead of corporations demanding western free persons compete with sentient objects owned by tyrants.


Translation: I've got mine, fuck dem dirty brown people. Its not even much of a translation, since you're practically throwing it out there.

Also, the fact that you describe people in third world countries as "objects"... yeah.

Oh, and not that I expect this to register, but third world and dictatorship are not synonymous terms.

Jesus, is their anything about your beliefs that isn't utterly loathsome and poisonous to human dignity and liberty?
"Our progress in degeneracy appears to me to be pretty rapid. As a nation, we began by declaring that "all men are created equal." We now practically read it "all men are created equal, except negroes" When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read "all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics." When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretence of loving liberty -- to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocracy." - President Abraham Lincoln.

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Postby The Hobbesian Metaphysician » Sat May 07, 2016 9:18 pm

Kelinfort wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
For the globe? It isn't.
For the west?

Because we can get a better deal on our trading.

The third world will get fucked from it, but I don't really care. If they go democratic and liberal i'll give a fuck about them, I don't see why we should fund the decline of Humanities only hope for a bright future to fund the rise of some backwards tyrannical states.

Global GDP would drop, but the west would be able to exploit tyrannies better from it instead of corporations demanding western free persons compete with sentient objects owned by tyrants.

"Fuck you, I got mine"

To be fair that has been an appealing ideal for quote a lot of history. People standing by their own versions of it. Doesn't mean it os a feasible strategy today.
I am just going to lay it out here, I am going to be very blunt.

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