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Who will win the election?

Donald Trump
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29%
Hillary Clinton
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55%
Gary Johnson
10
11%
Jill Stein
5
5%
 
Total votes : 94
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Postby The Romulan Republic » Sat May 07, 2016 5:56 pm

Climalite wrote:Hillary is just flat out horrible. She killed 13 soldiers and lied about it.....and is now running for president. That makes me cringe with anger. Trump will use that against her. He will be her. But it will be close. TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!


This is, frankly, libel.

Their is no real evidence that Clinton is directly responsible for the deaths of any soldiers.

And fringe Benghazi conspiracy theories won't help Donald the fascist. Anyone who believes that shit is already probably voting Republican (or at any rate not voting for Clinton).
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Postby Calimera II » Sat May 07, 2016 5:59 pm

The Romulan Republic wrote:
Climalite wrote:Hillary is just flat out horrible. She killed 13 soldiers and lied about it.....and is now running for president. That makes me cringe with anger. Trump will use that against her. He will be her. But it will be close. TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!


This is, frankly, libel.

Their is no real evidence that Clinton is directly responsible for the deaths of any soldiers.

And fringe Benghazi conspiracy theories won't help Donald the fascist. Anyone who believes that shit is already probably voting Republican (or at any rate not voting for Clinton).

Well... Trump isn't a fascist. Saying those things about him makes him surge in the polls since people do not agree with what you just said... and the media loves saying it.
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Postby The Romulan Republic » Sat May 07, 2016 6:00 pm

Calimera II wrote:
The Romulan Republic wrote:
This is, frankly, libel.

Their is no real evidence that Clinton is directly responsible for the deaths of any soldiers.

And fringe Benghazi conspiracy theories won't help Donald the fascist. Anyone who believes that shit is already probably voting Republican (or at any rate not voting for Clinton).

Well... Trump isn't a fascist. Saying those things about him makes him surge in the polls since people do not agree with what you just said... and the media loves saying it.


He doesn't call himself a fascist, but he adopts fascistic policies, behaviour, and rhetoric.

Its certainly more valid than accusing Clinton of murder and treason.
"Our progress in degeneracy appears to me to be pretty rapid. As a nation, we began by declaring that "all men are created equal." We now practically read it "all men are created equal, except negroes" When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read "all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics." When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretence of loving liberty -- to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocracy." - President Abraham Lincoln.
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Postby Orthodox States » Sat May 07, 2016 6:03 pm

The Romulan Republic wrote:
Climalite wrote:Hillary is just flat out horrible. She killed 13 soldiers and lied about it.....and is now running for president. That makes me cringe with anger. Trump will use that against her. He will be her. But it will be close. TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!


This is, frankly, libel.

Their is no real evidence that Clinton is directly responsible for the deaths of any soldiers.

And fringe Benghazi conspiracy theories won't help Donald the fascist. Anyone who believes that shit is already probably voting Republican (or at any rate not voting for Clinton).


Why would you be comparing Trump to a Fascist, when that talk only makes his supporters just ignore you? Bernie Sander's supporters scoff when people think that Bernie is a Socialist who wants to kill America, so why would calling Donald Trump a Fascist be any different? I'm a Trump Supporter and I get that people don't like Trump, but calling him names doesn't make me want to listen to the Democrats who demonize him.
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Postby Othelos » Sat May 07, 2016 6:06 pm

The Romulan Republic wrote:
Calimera II wrote:Well... Trump isn't a fascist. Saying those things about him makes him surge in the polls since people do not agree with what you just said... and the media loves saying it.


He doesn't call himself a fascist, but he adopts fascistic policies, behaviour, and rhetoric.

Its certainly more valid than accusing Clinton of murder and treason.

Trump is far from a fascist. He isn't advocating overthrowing the system, and he's still in favor of a democracy.
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Postby The Romulan Republic » Sat May 07, 2016 6:08 pm

Orthodox States wrote:
The Romulan Republic wrote:
This is, frankly, libel.

Their is no real evidence that Clinton is directly responsible for the deaths of any soldiers.

And fringe Benghazi conspiracy theories won't help Donald the fascist. Anyone who believes that shit is already probably voting Republican (or at any rate not voting for Clinton).


Why would you be comparing Trump to a Fascist, when that talk only makes his supporters just ignore you? Bernie Sander's supporters scoff when people think that Bernie is a Socialist who wants to kill America, so why would calling Donald Trump a Fascist be any different? I'm a Trump Supporter and I get that people don't like Trump, but calling him names doesn't make me want to listen to the Democrats who demonize him.


Bernie is a proudly self-proclaimed socialist, but he is not a Marxist, communist, would-be dictator, etc. The term is "Democratic Socialist".

Whereas Donald- well, this man has, among other things, talked about killing people for being relatives of terrorists (not for anything they did themselves), bringing back torture, making it easier to sue the press, mass deportations of millions, and barring people from the country on the basis of religion. He has also suggested that a protester (one of many) assaulted at one of his events may have deserved to be roughed up (i.e. openly condoning violence by his supporters towards their opponents).

He may not be a sincere fascist, but the nicest thing you could possibly say about him is that he is pretending to hold authoritarian and bigoted views in order to get the votes of people who genuinely believe in that shit, and in doing so is encouraging and legitimizing fascistic attitudes, positions, and actions.
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Postby New Jerzylvania » Sat May 07, 2016 6:10 pm

Othelos wrote:
The Romulan Republic wrote:
He doesn't call himself a fascist, but he adopts fascistic policies, behaviour, and rhetoric.

Its certainly more valid than accusing Clinton of murder and treason.

Trump is far from a fascist. He isn't advocating overthrowing the system, and he's still in favor of a democracy.

At least you hope.
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Postby New Jerzylvania » Sat May 07, 2016 6:14 pm

The Romulan Republic wrote:
Calimera II wrote:Well... Trump isn't a fascist. Saying those things about him makes him surge in the polls since people do not agree with what you just said... and the media loves saying it.


He doesn't call himself a fascist, but he adopts fascistic policies, behaviour, and rhetoric.

Its certainly more valid than accusing Clinton of murder and treason.


The desperation of these accusations shows the current state of the polling. HUGE advantage Dems.
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Postby The Romulan Republic » Sat May 07, 2016 6:14 pm

Othelos wrote:
The Romulan Republic wrote:
He doesn't call himself a fascist, but he adopts fascistic policies, behaviour, and rhetoric.

Its certainly more valid than accusing Clinton of murder and treason.

Trump is far from a fascist. He isn't advocating overthrowing the system, and he's still in favor of a democracy.


Well I don't think even Trump would quite have the audacity to actually say "I want to get rid of democracy."

But I think he'd happily make himself king of America if he thought he could get away with it.

And even if I'm wrong about that, he supports policies that would further constrict and limit the freedom and equality essential to a functioning democracy (like making it easier to sue the press and barring people from the country on the basis of religion) and encourages political violence, which is pretty much the antithesis of democracy.

Limit and undermine democracy enough, and by degrees you cease to have a democracy. I'm trying to take the long view here.
"Our progress in degeneracy appears to me to be pretty rapid. As a nation, we began by declaring that "all men are created equal." We now practically read it "all men are created equal, except negroes" When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read "all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics." When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretence of loving liberty -- to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocracy." - President Abraham Lincoln.
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Postby Calimera II » Sat May 07, 2016 6:16 pm

The Romulan Republic wrote:
Othelos wrote:Trump is far from a fascist. He isn't advocating overthrowing the system, and he's still in favor of a democracy.


Well I don't think even Trump would quite have the audacity to actually say "I want to get rid of democracy."

But I think he'd happily make himself king of America if he thought he could get away with it.

And even if I'm wrong about that, he supports policies that would further constrict and limit the freedom and equality essential to a functioning democracy (like making it easier to sue the press and barring people from the country on the basis of religion) and encourages political violence, which is pretty much the antithesis of democracy.

Limit and undermine democracy enough, and by degrees you cease to have a democracy. I'm trying to take the long view here.


To be honest, I think you are exaggerating. Even if he is elected he is forced to work within a democratic framework.
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Postby Troutopias » Sat May 07, 2016 6:21 pm

Honestly, they are both just terrible. I agree with the ideals that Hillary's team had crafted, but I just do not trust her the same way I trust someone like Bernie or Elizabeth Warren.
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Postby The Romulan Republic » Sat May 07, 2016 6:21 pm

Calimera II wrote:
The Romulan Republic wrote:
Well I don't think even Trump would quite have the audacity to actually say "I want to get rid of democracy."

But I think he'd happily make himself king of America if he thought he could get away with it.

And even if I'm wrong about that, he supports policies that would further constrict and limit the freedom and equality essential to a functioning democracy (like making it easier to sue the press and barring people from the country on the basis of religion) and encourages political violence, which is pretty much the antithesis of democracy.

Limit and undermine democracy enough, and by degrees you cease to have a democracy. I'm trying to take the long view here.


To be honest, I think you are exaggerating. Even if he is elected he is forced to work within a democratic framework.


A democratic framework that has already been badly undermined, and can be much more badly undermined or outright destroyed if the far Right ends up holding all three branches of government.

Trump winning won't mean overnight dictatorship, but it would be a huge step in the wrong direction.

And I don't want to see this come down to weather a Republican Supreme Court is willing to block Trump's proposals, or weather a Republican Congress is willing to impeach him.
"Our progress in degeneracy appears to me to be pretty rapid. As a nation, we began by declaring that "all men are created equal." We now practically read it "all men are created equal, except negroes" When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read "all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics." When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretence of loving liberty -- to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocracy." - President Abraham Lincoln.
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Postby Dinake » Sat May 07, 2016 6:22 pm

New Jerzylvania wrote:
Othelos wrote:Trump is far from a fascist. He isn't advocating overthrowing the system, and he's still in favor of a democracy.

At least you hope.

My brain tells me American democratic institutions are strong, and that however much Trump might like to be Mussolini, he realizes that.
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Postby Grand Britannia » Sat May 07, 2016 6:25 pm

Climalite wrote:Hillary is just flat out horrible. She killed 13 soldiers and lied about it.....and is now running for president. That makes me cringe with anger. Trump will use that against her. He will be her. But it will be close. TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!


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Postby New Jerzylvania » Sat May 07, 2016 6:31 pm

Dinake wrote:
New Jerzylvania wrote:At least you hope.

My brain tells me American democratic institutions are strong, and that however much Trump might like to be Mussolini, he realizes that.
My gut tells me he's going to be Julius Caesar.


In the name of humanity and for the love of God, my heart says we must defeat this particular man or we could face unimaginable domestic chaos with plenty of bloodshed.
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Postby Geilinor » Sat May 07, 2016 6:45 pm

Dinake wrote:
New Jerzylvania wrote:At least you hope.

My gut tells me he's going to be Julius Caesar.

So he'll bring about the fall of the Republic?
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Postby New Jerzylvania » Sat May 07, 2016 6:56 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Dinake wrote:My gut tells me he's going to be Julius Caesar.

So he'll bring about the fall of the Republic?

Domestic tranquility won't be his strong suit. The violence at his rallies and his encouragement of it lend to that perception.
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Postby Ashmoria » Sat May 07, 2016 8:20 pm

Climalite wrote:Hillary is just flat out horrible. She killed 13 soldiers and lied about it.....and is now running for president. That makes me cringe with anger. Trump will use that against her. He will be her. But it will be close. TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!


she killed 13 soldiers?
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Postby The Romulan Republic » Sat May 07, 2016 8:27 pm

Ashmoria wrote:
Climalite wrote:Hillary is just flat out horrible. She killed 13 soldiers and lied about it.....and is now running for president. That makes me cringe with anger. Trump will use that against her. He will be her. But it will be close. TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!


she killed 13 soldiers?


Benghazi conspiracy bullshit.

Because if you can't win on the issues, lie.
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Postby Galloism » Sat May 07, 2016 8:28 pm

Ashmoria wrote:
Climalite wrote:Hillary is just flat out horrible. She killed 13 soldiers and lied about it.....and is now running for president. That makes me cringe with anger. Trump will use that against her. He will be her. But it will be close. TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!


she killed 13 soldiers?

Bare handed. Her only weapon was Donald Trump's hair.
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Postby Ashmoria » Sat May 07, 2016 8:30 pm

The Romulan Republic wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:
she killed 13 soldiers?


Benghazi conspiracy bullshit.

Because if you can't win on the issues, lie.

did 13 soldiers die at Benghazi?
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Postby The Romulan Republic » Sat May 07, 2016 8:35 pm

Ashmoria wrote:
The Romulan Republic wrote:
Benghazi conspiracy bullshit.

Because if you can't win on the issues, lie.

did 13 soldiers die at Benghazi?


No. But I can't imagine what else they could be referring to.

Then again, you never know in La La Conspiracy Land.
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Postby Ashmoria » Sat May 07, 2016 8:37 pm

The Romulan Republic wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:did 13 soldiers die at Benghazi?


No. But I can't imagine what else they could be referring to.

Then again, you never know in La La Conspiracy Land.

nothing else comes to my mind either but ....maybe it added up over time? its not like she is the star of a martial arts movie where she was attacked by 13 soldiers and kills them all one by one....
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sat May 07, 2016 8:43 pm

I would like to see a Trump victory. America needs it.
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