US General Election Megathread: Trump vs Clinton

[Unpredictable Galaxy]

I assume you think it's fine to question whether the Sandy Hook shooting actually happened or not as well, yes? Holocaust deniers and all, right? Because it's okay to question? Political correctness has nothing to do with being BLATANTLY WRONG. It's no different than Drumpf: You can't be fighting against political correctness if everything coming out of your mouth is about as truthful as a landfill.

He didn't question whether it happened, so it's a false equivalence. It would be perfectly fine to question whether banning guns would have solved Sandy hook, for instance.
Or even if world war two should have been fought at all.

But to deny they happened is to deny the facts, rather than interperate them differently, which isn't what he did. So you're wrong.

Someone who sympathizes with a group that is, again, blatantly wrong, is still very shady in pratice. Anyone with sensibility would not pick someone under influence of those said practices to the U.S. Supreme Court.

[Ostroeuropa]

He didn't question whether it happened, so it's a false equivalence. It would be perfectly fine to question whether banning guns would have solved Sandy hook, for instance.
Or even if world war two should have been fought at all.

But to deny they happened is to deny the facts, rather than interperate them differently, which isn't what he did. So you're wrong.

Someone who sympathizes with a group that is, again, blatantly wrong, is still very shady in pratice. Anyone with sensibility would not pick someone under influence of those said practices to the U.S. Supreme Court.

Just out of curiosity, do you think Judges should on occasion have sympathy with the accused in order to properly humanize them and understand their viewpoints while still condemning it?
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But not people with weird political beliefs?

I think you're just being partisan.

[Unpredictable Galaxy]

Someone who sympathizes with a group that is, again, blatantly wrong, is still very shady in pratice. Anyone with sensibility would not pick someone under influence of those said practices to the U.S. Supreme Court.

Just out of curiosity, do you think Judges should on occasion have sympathy with the accused in order to properly humanize them and understand their viewpoints while still condemning it?
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But not people with weird political beliefs?

I think you're just being partisan.

I... I just can't. You actually are as dense as a rock.

[USS Monitor]

Also you should look into the free state project!

I'm familiar with it, and only live around 10 miles from NH -- but I have other things to consider like a job opportunity in China that I want to pursue, a boyfriend who lives in the other direction, and the fact that it's a pain in the ass to move.

And I think there are a lot of other people who have similar reasons why we're not all moving to one state to take it over...

[West Verrica]

I'm familiar with it, and only live around 10 miles from NH -- but I have other things to consider like a job opportunity in China that I want to pursue, a boyfriend who lives in the other direction, and the fact that it's a pain in the ass to move.

And I think there are a lot of other people who have similar reasons why we're not all moving to one state to take it over...

I just thought I would bring it up it because you mention taking over a state. I definitely think you're correct about the reasons why few people moved, it's a rare person to have no obligations that require them to stay where they are.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I'm familiar with it, and only live around 10 miles from NH -- but I have other things to consider like a job opportunity in China that I want to pursue, a boyfriend who lives in the other direction, and the fact that it's a pain in the ass to move.

And I think there are a lot of other people who have similar reasons why we're not all moving to one state to take it over...

I just thought I would bring it up it because you mention taking over a state. I definitely think you're correct about the reasons why few people moved, it's a rare person to have no obligations that require them to stay where they are.

I'm certainly debating moving because I hate getting dragged along with Seattle's nonsense, that doesn't sound like a bad idea.

[Ostroeuropa]

I'm familiar with it, and only live around 10 miles from NH -- but I have other things to consider like a job opportunity in China that I want to pursue, a boyfriend who lives in the other direction, and the fact that it's a pain in the ass to move.

And I think there are a lot of other people who have similar reasons why we're not all moving to one state to take it over...

I just thought I would bring it up it because you mention taking over a state. I definitely think you're correct about the reasons why few people moved, it's a rare person to have no obligations that require them to stay where they are.

It'd make more sense for Libertarians to all agree to swamp a particular college campus, which would give them roots in a particular state too.

[West Verrica]

It'd make more sense for Libertarians to all agree to swamp a particular college campus, which would give them roots in a particular state too.

A lot of the free staters end up in keene which I think is a college town.

[Cymrea]

I just thought I would bring it up it because you mention taking over a state. I definitely think you're correct about the reasons why few people moved, it's a rare person to have no obligations that require them to stay where they are.

I'm certainly debating moving because I hate getting dragged along with Seattle's nonsense, that doesn't sound like a bad idea.

Head south to Oregon. Our nonsense is more tolerable.

[Major-Tom]

I'm certainly debating moving because I hate getting dragged along with Seattle's nonsense, that doesn't sound like a bad idea.

Head south to Oregon. Our nonsense is more tolerable.

Oregon? Please, you guys are Washington state with lower housing costs and more handlebar mustaches per capita.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I'm certainly debating moving because I hate getting dragged along with Seattle's nonsense, that doesn't sound like a bad idea.

Head south to Oregon. Our nonsense is more tolerable.

Also an idea I've kicked around, either way something like that will require more thought. If WA keeps being awful it'll probably happen.

[Cymrea]

Head south to Oregon. Our nonsense is more tolerable.

Also an idea I've kicked around, either way something like that will require more thought. If WA keeps being awful it'll probably happen.

Or Vancouver. Right next to Oregon without going over (the river).

[Major-Tom]

Head south to Oregon. Our nonsense is more tolerable.

Also an idea I've kicked around, either way something like that will require more thought. If WA keeps being awful it'll probably happen.

I'd recommend Arizona if we didn't suck.

[Cymrea]

Head south to Oregon. Our nonsense is more tolerable.

Oregon? Please, you guys are Washington state with lower housing costs and more handlebar mustaches per capita.

Or Washington is Oregon with higher housing costs and fewer handlebar mustaches per capita. It's all perspective.

I will admit, heading into SE Portland or downtown is an exercise in self-loathing.

[Cymrea]

Also an idea I've kicked around, either way something like that will require more thought. If WA keeps being awful it'll probably happen.

I'd recommend Arizona if we didn't suck.

Lots of nice, retired Canadians down there.

[Major-Tom]

Oregon? Please, you guys are Washington state with lower housing costs and more handlebar mustaches per capita.

Or Washington is Oregon with higher housing costs and fewer handlebar mustaches per capita. It's all perspective.

I will admit, heading into SE Portland or downtown is an exercise in self-loathing.

Yeah, if y'all couldn't tell, I really dislike Portland.

Bend is nice, though.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Also an idea I've kicked around, either way something like that will require more thought. If WA keeps being awful it'll probably happen.

I'd recommend Arizona if we didn't suck.

Arizona would be nice for my lifestyle and career plan, I imagine plenty of sheriffs would write off minigun purchases

But this is starting to get off topic.

[USS Monitor]

I'd never vote for a Libertarian. I'd even take a moderate-leaning Republican over one any day. They're too crazy on economics and seem to be isolationists (and not just on war), but on international diplomatic organisations like the UN etc.

I also am not a huge fan of the social libertarian approach, I prefer the social progressive approach - where you're proudly in support of cultural progressivism and ending all forms of intolerance and prejudice as well as institutional oppression - not just taking a hands-off approach to social issues. Like, I want abortion publicly funded and private companies mandated to publicly accommodate everyone regardless of identity - not just no government intervention in social issues.

Johnson wants businesses mandated to accommodate everyone regardless of identity. I know it's not something the whole party agrees on, but... he's way more popular than any of the candidates who are against antidiscrimination laws.

Seriously, if you're going to make a distinction between moderate Republicans and Tea Party instead of just generalizing the whole GOP, you should do the same for Libertarians. The right-wing fruitcakes are not the only people in the party.

[USS Monitor]

Why vote for Johnson if you're centre left to left wing?

Because Clinton and Trump are both too authoritarian, and I don't trust them with the military.

[Kelinfort]

Why vote for Johnson if you're centre left to left wing?

Because Clinton and Trump are both too authoritarian, and I don't trust them with the military.

Well, I know you don't like Stein for not having much experience, but why not vote in line with your ideals?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Because Clinton and Trump are both too authoritarian, and I don't trust them with the military.

Well, I know you don't like Stein for not having much experience, but why not vote in line with your ideals?

Stein might not even be on the ballot in Monitor's state, IIRC the Greens aren't going to be on several states ballots.

[USS Monitor]

Why vote for Johnson if you're centre left to left wing?

Corporate militarism is pretty out there compared to simple free market economics. At least he'd end corporate welfare. That IS a move to the left from Clinton.

I think Clinton is left of him overall, though. And I say that as a leftist who is planning to vote for Johnson.

They might make the calculation that Johnson is the best third party candidate to back in terms of viability.

He's also the 3rd party candidate that is most likely to know what he's doing if by some fluke he wins. Jill Stein has lovely ideas, but she has no experience. I don't mind if a candidate has only a little experience, but she's got basically none.

Clinton and Johnson are the only two candidates this election that I think have enough experience to be qualified, and are likely to still be in the race by November.

[USS Monitor]

Rest assured I have not made death threats or resorted to physical violence against a person because my candidate didn't win. Nor did said candidate issue a pussy statement that essentially said "violence is bad, but this is the Nevada Democratic party's own fault..."

Did I ever say you resorted to violence? And to condemn the violence was actually a step forward in the direction, unlike the toupee-wearing fruit that is on the other side. As far as calling it a pussy statement, by condemning the violent act of something but advocating that a system was still flawed means "Yes, the Nevada Democratic Party was at fault, but we cannot solve it through violence." You call it a pussy statement, I say it's an act of diplomacy and not stupidity that is shown from the Republican Candidate.

I like Sanders, but that statement wasn't doing anything to keep his people in check. He should have come down harder against anyone making death threats.

[USS Monitor]

No actually, i'd bet he'd be substantially better than any of Clintons picks given her establishment authoritarian status.

Are you even serious?

Napolitano describes himself as pro-life and holds that abortion "should be prohibited."[9] He reasons while a woman has a natural and undeniable right to privacy in her personal choices, the rule of necessity causes the right to life of the fetus, which he believes to begin at conception, to take priority for the duration of gestation.

Two weeks after a segment on Geraldo Rivera’s program in 2010 about how the collapse of the 7 World Trade Center appeared more consistent with controlled demolition than collapse, Napolitano made comments on the Alex Jones show that have been interpreted as sympathetic to 9/11 truthers.[12] The extent to which his statements expressed sympathy with those who were skeptical of the events, finding them “hard to believe” because of Geraldo’s program, rather than acceptance of a conspiracy theory, has been a topic of debate.[13] His most extensive work on the topic of 9/11, Suicide Pact, does not express any sympathy with the position, nor have any of his public statements since.[original research?]

In February 2014, Napolitano expressed disdain for Abraham Lincoln on Fox News. He explained that "I am a contrarian on Abraham Lincoln." Slavery in the U.S., according to Napolitano, while one of the most deplorable institutions in human history, could have been done away with through peaceful means, which would have saved the bloodiest conflict in American history. At the same time, Napolitano also argued that states in which slavery was legal did not secede out of fear of abolitionism

Ugh... No Confederate apologists please.

[Trumpostan]

If you look past the presidential primaries, it's actually a pretty good year for the respective party establishments. Many challenges from the left and right have been swatted away in Senate and House primaries. Ironically, an election with record disenchantment and a desire for "outsiders" could result in an all-establishment victory.