US General Election Megathread: Trump vs Clinton

[Liriena]

Also... she's definitely not "far-left". I know actual far-left people, and they would never endorse Clinton... or Sanders, for that matter.

Oh, I don't care about her positioning on the right-left spectrum.

I just care whether her ideas are practical and realistic or not. Which is exactly why I think Trump's ideas are stupid and I would let someone shoot me before voting for Trump.

Hey, I get how you feel.

[Gauthier]

But he loves gays.

inb4 he tweets a picture of himself eating something "gay" from his hotel to show how much he loves LGBT+ people.

A large kielbasa.

[Liriena]

inb4 he tweets a picture of himself eating something "gay" from his hotel to show how much he loves LGBT+ people.

A large kielbasa.

*googles "kielbasa"*


Oh my...

[Yumyumsuppertime]

If Trump weren't the alternative, Warren would be a riskier choice. However, Wall Street knows the sort of disaster that Trump would bring in his wake, so anyone who would usually donate to Democrats won't be dissuaded by Warren being in a largely ceremonial position, especially since any damage that would have been done along those lines was already done by the Democratic platform, much of which reads like a progressive wish list thanks to the efforts of the Sanders delegation.

Adding diversity to the ticket for the sake of diversity would be a boneheaded move this time around. Either of the Castro brothers would be seen as pandering to Latinos, and Booker would turn off anyone who has issues with Wall Street. Hillary doesn't NEED the center, she HAS the center. She's been the ultimate pragmatist for her entire political career, and she's reached out to the right so often that she's seen in many Democratic circles as being one step away from actual GOP membership. What she needs is to get back the Bernie supporters and other progressives who have been largely disenchanted by her approach and style, and who have been tempted to vote for Stein or simply stay home this November rather than vote for her.

She has the center now. She could easily lose the center. Either to Trump or Johnson if she goes to far left. America as a whole is a center right country.

Center democrats win nation wide elections. Hard left ones do not.

And the left is already going to pick the Democratics no matter what. There is no need to pander to the left in the general.

She's not going to lose the center to Trump with a V.P. pick. In fact, it's hardly uncommon for moderates to pick someone closer to the base to shore up support, and for those closer to the base to pick moderates. You're acting like this is some sort of enormous error, when it's really a time-honored strategy. She's not going to lose the center for Trump, nor would Trump know what to do with the center if he got it. Also, if you think that the left is automatically going to support the Democrats, then I'd like to point you to Florida in 2000.

[Oil exporting People]

Milo is countless rejections away from being another Omar Mateen.

I find it unlikely Milo will become a straight, Islamic terrorist.

[Gauthier]

Also... she's definitely not "far-left". I know actual far-left people, and they would never endorse Clinton... or Sanders, for that matter.

Oh, I don't care about her positioning on the right-left spectrum.

I just care whether her ideas are practical and realistic or not. Which is exactly why I think Trump's ideas are stupid and I would let someone shoot me before voting for Trump.

I can work with a person's ideas if they are realistic. Trump's ideas are anything but realistic.

Sadly the Republican platform reveals they're going ramming speed towards the iceberg on the SS Trumptanic.

[Liriena]

Oh, I don't care about her positioning on the right-left spectrum.

I just care whether her ideas are practical and realistic or not. Which is exactly why I think Trump's ideas are stupid and I would let someone shoot me before voting for Trump.

I can work with a person's ideas if they are realistic. Trump's ideas are anything but realistic.

Sadly the Republican platform reveals they're going ramming speed towards the iceberg on the SS Trumptanic.

Hey, if it worked for James Cameron, it's got to work for them!

[Novus America]

Warren is very far left. Also where is your poll that 18-35 love her? What state could she possibly carry. Yes Pence was a stupid pick by Trump. So why would Hillary do the exact same thing? Warren is Hillary's version of Pence.

Ecnomic moderates will avoid a Warren ticket like the plague.

Here's one poll.

In the face of Trump, who has promised trade wars and suggested defaulting on the national debt in order to get "better terms" from creditors, economic moderates will happily flock to Clinton regardless of who she picks as V.P.

I am not so sure about that. A lot of people will get sacred by Warren. You do not see her as far left as you are pretty far left yourself. Again going left in the general has never gotten a Democrat elected. Going center has.

The left always votes democrat. You do not need to pander to them.

[New Jerzylvania]

Trump going with Pence indicates he's abandoning any hopes for the center. Therefore Warren is a good pick. I think your statement about her only appealing to "the far left" is unproven, so cite a poll. I also thinks she helps in a number of states on the board in a way no other veep pick can. However, let it be said there is no perfect veep pick out there but she's a real good pick to get out the 18-35 year old demographic for HRC.

Warren is very far left. Also where is your poll that 18-35 love her? What state could she possibly carry. Yes Pence was a stupid pick by Trump. So why would Hillary do the exact same thing? Warren is Hillary's version of Pence.

Ecnomic moderates will avoid a Warren ticket like the plague.

Oh please. Your so far over the top on dissing her it's embarrassing.

[The Texan Union]

Sadly the Republican platform reveals they're going ramming speed towards the iceberg on the SS Trumptanic.

Hey, if it worked for James Cameron, it's got to work for them!

If only that's how things worked.

[Theodolia]

The left always votes democrat.

The left not voting Democrat cost Democrats the Presidency in 2000

[The East Marches]

Warren is very far left. Also where is your poll that 18-35 love her? What state could she possibly carry. Yes Pence was a stupid pick by Trump. So why would Hillary do the exact same thing? Warren is Hillary's version of Pence.

Ecnomic moderates will avoid a Warren ticket like the plague.

Oh please. Your so far over the top on dissing her it's embarrassing.

I'm one of those economic moderates that doesn't want Warren. She is a joke.

[SS Trumptanic]

Oh, I don't care about her positioning on the right-left spectrum.

I just care whether her ideas are practical and realistic or not. Which is exactly why I think Trump's ideas are stupid and I would let someone shoot me before voting for Trump.

I can work with a person's ideas if they are realistic. Trump's ideas are anything but realistic.

Sadly the Republican platform reveals they're going ramming speed towards the iceberg on the SS Trumptanic.

You rang?

[Galloism]

Warren is very far left. Also where is your poll that 18-35 love her? What state could she possibly carry. Yes Pence was a stupid pick by Trump. So why would Hillary do the exact same thing? Warren is Hillary's version of Pence.

Ecnomic moderates will avoid a Warren ticket like the plague.

Here's one poll.

In the face of Trump, who has promised trade wars and suggested defaulting on the national debt in order to get "better terms" from creditors, economic moderates will happily flock to Clinton regardless of who she picks as V.P.

I will point out that if Clinton taps warren, and essentially gives a finger to the wall street threat she received last month, that will shore up a lot of respect.

[Gauthier]

Hey, if it worked for James Cameron, it's got to work for them!

If only that's how things worked.

The Titanic's captain went down with the ship. Trump would snag a lifeboat and ditch everyone else like the douchebag who was in charge of the Costa Concordia.

[Novus America]

She has the center now. She could easily lose the center. Either to Trump or Johnson if she goes to far left. America as a whole is a center right country.

Center democrats win nation wide elections. Hard left ones do not.

And the left is already going to pick the Democratics no matter what. There is no need to pander to the left in the general.

She's not going to lose the center to Trump with a V.P. pick. In fact, it's hardly uncommon for moderates to pick someone closer to the base to shore up support, and for those closer to the base to pick moderates. You're acting like this is some sort of enormous error, when it's really a time-honored strategy. She's not going to lose the center for Trump, nor would Trump know what to do with the center if he got it. Also, if you think that the left is automatically going to support the Democrats, then I'd like to point you to Florida in 2000.

It is not a matter of just the VP, but the manner of her campaign as a whole. Her platform is already going left, she does not need to drive her campaign left. And for what? She is going to win just by staying the course. So why not stay the course? The center thing wins.

And even in 2000 Nader got only 1.65%. Had Gore gone left he would have lost votes for every vote he got from Nader. Stein is not even on the ballot in most states.

It is quite simple. Overall the US is center right. Which is why far left presidential campaigns crash and burn. Hillary already had to go pretty far left in the primary which pissed off a lot of people in the coal states for example.

People like you are already a gauranteed Democratic vote, especially this time around. So there is no need to appeal to you.

[Novus America]

Here's one poll.

In the face of Trump, who has promised trade wars and suggested defaulting on the national debt in order to get "better terms" from creditors, economic moderates will happily flock to Clinton regardless of who she picks as V.P.

I will point out that if Clinton taps warren, and essentially gives a finger to the wall street threat she received last month, that will shore up a lot of respect.

Clinton needs Wallstreet. Given them the finger might not be a good idea.

[The HMS Trumptanic]

I will point out that if Clinton taps warren, and essentially gives a finger to the wall street threat she received last month, that will shore up a lot of respect.

Clinton needs Wallstreet. Given them the finger might not be a good idea.

Bullcrap.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Here's one poll.

In the face of Trump, who has promised trade wars and suggested defaulting on the national debt in order to get "better terms" from creditors, economic moderates will happily flock to Clinton regardless of who she picks as V.P.

I am not so sure about that. A lot of people will get sacred by Warren. You do not see her as far left as you are pretty far left yourself. Again going left in the general has never gotten a Democrat elected. Going center has.

The left always votes democrat. You do not need to pander to them.

Yes, the left always votes Democrat, which is how Gore won Florida. Oh, wait....

Despite my personal political views, I think that I have a pretty clear head as regards electoral strategy.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Here's one poll.

In the face of Trump, who has promised trade wars and suggested defaulting on the national debt in order to get "better terms" from creditors, economic moderates will happily flock to Clinton regardless of who she picks as V.P.

I will point out that if Clinton taps warren, and essentially gives a finger to the wall street threat she received last month, that will shore up a lot of respect.

I think that she's run it past her Wall Street backers, and pointed out just how much worse the alternative is.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

She's not going to lose the center to Trump with a V.P. pick. In fact, it's hardly uncommon for moderates to pick someone closer to the base to shore up support, and for those closer to the base to pick moderates. You're acting like this is some sort of enormous error, when it's really a time-honored strategy. She's not going to lose the center for Trump, nor would Trump know what to do with the center if he got it. Also, if you think that the left is automatically going to support the Democrats, then I'd like to point you to Florida in 2000.

It is not a matter of just the VP, but the manner of her campaign as a whole. Her platform is already going left, she does not need to drive her campaign left. And for what? She is going to win just by staying the course. So why not stay the course? The center thing wins.

And even in 2000 Nader got only 1.65%. Had Gore gone left he would have lost votes for every vote he got from Nader. Stein is not even on the ballot in most states.

It is quite simple. Overall the US is center right. Which is why far left presidential campaigns crash and burn. Hillary already had to go pretty far left in the primary which pissed off a lot of people in the coal states for example.

People like you are already a gauranteed Democratic vote, especially this time around. So there is no need to appeal to you.

Do you have any data to back up your speculation regarding what would have happened if Gore had pivoted left even slightly?

[Yumyumsuppertime]

I will point out that if Clinton taps warren, and essentially gives a finger to the wall street threat she received last month, that will shore up a lot of respect.

Clinton needs Wallstreet. Given them the finger might not be a good idea.

Clinton has Wall Street. She's not going to be breaking up the big banks, and the regulation she's proposing is more or less inevitable, and certainly more palatable than what a Trump Presidency would do to the economy both here and abroad. The Economist (hardly a left-wing outlet) has rated a Trump Presidency as being a greater threat to the world economy than terrorism.

[Galloism]

I will point out that if Clinton taps warren, and essentially gives a finger to the wall street threat she received last month, that will shore up a lot of respect.

I think that she's run it past her Wall Street backers, and pointed out just how much worse the alternative is.

Well don't tell the rabble that.

[New Jerzylvania]

Oh please. Your so far over the top on dissing her it's embarrassing.

I'm one of those economic moderates that doesn't want Warren. She is a joke.

Then you are voting for who instead of Clinton-Warren? Trump-Pence?

[Galloism]

I'm one of those economic moderates that doesn't want Warren. She is a joke.

Then you are voting for who instead of Clinton-Warren? Trump-Pence?

That logo is very suggestive, by the way.