US General Election Megathread: Trump vs Clinton

[Major-Tom]

Maybe it's just me, but Pence seems pretty solidly in the "Establishment" camp after Trump supporters have spent the past several months railing against fhe establishment.

I think picking Pence for the sake of rallying evangelicals was a horrible decision, evangelicals were going to vote Trump anyways, they love Trump. Sure, some people might've been fervently Cruz, but even they have probably hesitantly joined Trump.

He should've broadened his base if he wanted to win, not solidified a narrow one.

[Slenderman The CreepyPasta King]

Donald Trump auctioned off the vp spot to the highest bidder. The Koch brothers. Newt and Christie are moody today.

The Kochs aren't supporting Trump.

In fact they pretty much said,"fuck trump, we're supporting Hillary" along with almost every other big money politics buyer

[Idzequitch]

Maybe it's just me, but Pence seems pretty solidly in the "Establishment" camp after Trump supporters have spent the past several months railing against fhe establishment.

I think picking Pence for the sake of rallying evangelicals was a horrible decision, evangelicals were going to vote Trump anyways, they love Trump. Sure, some people might've been fervently Cruz, but even they have probably hesitantly joined Trump.

He should've broadened his base if he wanted to win, not solidified a narrow one.

To be fair, there are a fair number of evangelicals that can't stand him. *raises hand* Not that Pence changes that fact one iota.

I like the pick though, as a #NeverTrump guy. Like you said, it pretty much keeps him in the box he was already in. The more limited his appeal, the better. Maybe this will push some hesitant Trump supporters to Gary Johnson.

[Great Feng]

So who is more likely to win the election do you think?
I'm hoping Johnson or Stein, as I hate Clinton and Trump with a passion.

[Guy]

The Kochs aren't supporting Trump.

In fact they pretty much said,"fuck trump, we're supporting Hillary" along with almost every other big money politics buyer

Kochs are not supporting Clinton.

[Idzequitch]

In fact they pretty much said,"fuck trump, we're supporting Hillary" along with almost every other big money politics buyer

Kochs are not supporting Clinton.

Let's get 'em behind Johnson and give him a reasonable chance!

[Major-Tom]

I think picking Pence for the sake of rallying evangelicals was a horrible decision, evangelicals were going to vote Trump anyways, they love Trump. Sure, some people might've been fervently Cruz, but even they have probably hesitantly joined Trump.

He should've broadened his base if he wanted to win, not solidified a narrow one.

To be fair, there are a fair number of evangelicals that can't stand him. *raises hand* Not that Pence changes that fact one iota.

I like the pick though, as a #NeverTrump guy. Like you said, it pretty much keeps him in the box he was already in. The more limited his appeal, the better. Maybe this will push some hesitant Trump supporters to Gary Johnson.

When I say evangelical, I'm referencing bible beating, gay bashing sorts of folk. You know, the stereotype. Also, Mormons. They ain't evangelical, but all this talk of Utah being a swing state is so silly.

I can see Gary picking up maybe 5%. It'd have been much better if Weld was the nominee, and Johnson the VP nominee. Weld is a much better speaker and fundraiser, I imagine.

[Idzequitch]

To be fair, there are a fair number of evangelicals that can't stand him. *raises hand* Not that Pence changes that fact one iota.

I like the pick though, as a #NeverTrump guy. Like you said, it pretty much keeps him in the box he was already in. The more limited his appeal, the better. Maybe this will push some hesitant Trump supporters to Gary Johnson.

When I say evangelical, I'm referencing bible beating, gay bashing sorts of folk. You know, the stereotype. Also, Mormons. They ain't evangelical, but all this talk of Utah being a swing state is so silly.

I can see Gary picking up maybe 5%. It'd have been much better if Weld was the nominee, and Johnson the VP nominee. Weld is a much better speaker and fundraiser, I imagine.

Fair. Just pointing out that the stereotype isn't how we all are.

I don't know. I feel like Weld has less name recognition. I like him and all, but I knew literally nothing about him when Johnson chose him as his running mate. I'd be satisfied with 5%, but I have to hope that people will get more disenfranchised as we get closer to November. Probably not, but I have to hope.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

So who is more likely to win the election do you think?
I'm hoping Johnson or Stein, as I hate Clinton and Trump with a passion.

Regardless of what anyone hopes (which I believe was the question), Clinton is significantly more likely to win.

The only way that you could hope for either Stein or Johnson is if you pay no attention to economic policy stances, as they're diametrically opposed in many ways.

[Novus America]

Oh this is rich. Trump just now brayed in his press conference that he's going to abolish the Johnson Amendment and give more political and governmental influence to Evangelicals. Overturn Obergefell v. Hodges, anyone?

Oh god no. Looks like we're headed towards a theocracy.

Not exactly. Overturning Obergefell (something the president cannot do) or the Johnson Ammendment (only Congress can do that) are not theocracy. In a theocracy relgious clergy have the ability to make, interpret and enforce laws.

[Slenderman The CreepyPasta King]

So who is more likely to win the election do you think?
I'm hoping Johnson or Stein, as I hate Clinton and Trump with a passion.

Regardless of what anyone hopes (which I believe was the question), Clinton is significantly more likely to win.

The only way that you could hope for either Stein or Johnson is if you pay no attention to economic policy stances, as they're diametrically opposed in many ways.

Well considering that the people don't trust her, and about 1/30th of democrats are apparently going to vote for trump (that's not good for democrats) if she gets elected by more than 5% then people will probably start thinking that the elections are more rigged than previously believed

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Interesting bit of scheduling information from the DNC: Elizabeth Warren, originally scheduled to speak on Monday as the keynote speaker, no longer appears on the roster. Barring some sort of behind the scenes conflict with the DNC (doubtful), or a simple clerical error (possible), the most likely explanation would seem to be that she's been re-scheduled to speak a few nights later as the Vice-Presidential nominee.

[Ashmoria]

Interesting bit of scheduling information from the DNC: Elizabeth Warren, originally scheduled to speak on Monday as the keynote speaker, no longer appears on the roster. Barring some sort of behind the scenes conflict with the DNC (doubtful), or a simple clerical error (possible), the most likely explanation would seem to be that she's been re-scheduled to speak a few nights later as the Vice-Presidential nominee.

it is mean to get a person's hopes up like that, yum.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Interesting bit of scheduling information from the DNC: Elizabeth Warren, originally scheduled to speak on Monday as the keynote speaker, no longer appears on the roster. Barring some sort of behind the scenes conflict with the DNC (doubtful), or a simple clerical error (possible), the most likely explanation would seem to be that she's been re-scheduled to speak a few nights later as the Vice-Presidential nominee.

it is mean to get a person's hopes up like that, yum.

I read the article and it got my own hopes up, so we all get to suffer together if they're wrong.

[Liriena]

Oh this is rich. Trump just now brayed in his press conference that he's going to abolish the Johnson Amendment and give more political and governmental influence to Evangelicals. Overturn Obergefell v. Hodges, anyone?

He promised he would try to do that months ago.

He is not a friend of the LGBT+ community.

[Liriena]

it is mean to get a person's hopes up like that, yum.

I read the article and it got my own hopes up, so we all get to suffer together if they're wrong.

Two women up against Trump and Pence? Oh, that would be fun.

[Novus America]

Oh this is rich. Trump just now brayed in his press conference that he's going to abolish the Johnson Amendment and give more political and governmental influence to Evangelicals. Overturn Obergefell v. Hodges, anyone?

He promised he would try to do that months ago.

He is not a friend of the LGBT+ community.

He is no friend of anyone but himself. He will sell anybody out.

[Saiwania]

The anti-Trump faction within the GOP has allegedly gotten Trump's delegate count down to around 900, which would deny him the nomination ahead of the convention and they're bringing forth John Kasich as an alternative candidate who can replace Trump. He is supposedly going to be the person this last ditch effort is going to pin their hopes on. The only thing left to do is prevail at the rules committee and on that front- they're unsuccessful so far, but they're not giving up. The coup can happen if the Republican convention isn't yet over.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

The anti-Trump faction within the GOP has allegedly gotten Trump's delegate count down to around 900, which would deny him the nomination ahead of the convention and they're bringing forth John Kasich as an alternative candidate who can replace Trump. He is supposedly going to be the person this last ditch effort is going to pin their hopes on. The only thing left to do is prevail at the rules committee and on that front- they're unsuccessful so far, but they're not giving up. The coup can happen if the Republican convention isn't yet over.

Do you have a source that you could link to?

[Novus America]

Interesting bit of scheduling information from the DNC: Elizabeth Warren, originally scheduled to speak on Monday as the keynote speaker, no longer appears on the roster. Barring some sort of behind the scenes conflict with the DNC (doubtful), or a simple clerical error (possible), the most likely explanation would seem to be that she's been re-scheduled to speak a few nights later as the Vice-Presidential nominee.

I simply cannot see her making such a risky choice. Not only is playing it safe her style, but when you are already ahead you play it safe. Trump being far behind needs a Hail Mary pass.

Hillary just needs to run out the clock.

[Major-Tom]

The anti-Trump faction within the GOP has allegedly gotten Trump's delegate count down to around 900, which would deny him the nomination ahead of the convention and they're bringing forth John Kasich as an alternative candidate who can replace Trump. He is supposedly going to be the person this last ditch effort is going to pin their hopes on. The only thing left to do is prevail at the rules committee and on that front- they're unsuccessful so far, but they're not giving up. The coup can happen if the Republican convention isn't yet over.

Calling bull.

[Major-Tom]

Interesting bit of scheduling information from the DNC: Elizabeth Warren, originally scheduled to speak on Monday as the keynote speaker, no longer appears on the roster. Barring some sort of behind the scenes conflict with the DNC (doubtful), or a simple clerical error (possible), the most likely explanation would seem to be that she's been re-scheduled to speak a few nights later as the Vice-Presidential nominee.

The democrats would be shooting themselves in the foot with Warren. This is going to be a tight, tight, tight senate election, and Charlie Baker would appoint a Republican in her place. Unless a special election is held shortly soonafter, I don't see why the Dems would risk it.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Interesting bit of scheduling information from the DNC: Elizabeth Warren, originally scheduled to speak on Monday as the keynote speaker, no longer appears on the roster. Barring some sort of behind the scenes conflict with the DNC (doubtful), or a simple clerical error (possible), the most likely explanation would seem to be that she's been re-scheduled to speak a few nights later as the Vice-Presidential nominee.

A simply cannot see her making such a risky choice. Not only is playing it safe her style, but when you are already ahead you play it safe. Trump being far behind needs a Hail Mary pass.

Hillary just needs to run out the clock.

The only risk that Warren comes with is Senate control, and that would likely last for half a year at most, much less if Reid's ideas on how to minimize the damage play out.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Interesting bit of scheduling information from the DNC: Elizabeth Warren, originally scheduled to speak on Monday as the keynote speaker, no longer appears on the roster. Barring some sort of behind the scenes conflict with the DNC (doubtful), or a simple clerical error (possible), the most likely explanation would seem to be that she's been re-scheduled to speak a few nights later as the Vice-Presidential nominee.

The democrats would be shooting themselves in the foot with Warren. This is going to be a tight, tight, tight senate election, and Charlie Baker would appoint a Republican in her place. Unless a special election is held shortly soonafter, I don't see why the Dems would risk it.

A special election would be held within 145 to 160 days, but Harry Reid has supposedly discovered a way to limit the damage to a few months at most. I can see them sacrificing Senate control for a little while longer, especially since the House is going to be GOP, anyway.

[Major-Tom]

A simply cannot see her making such a risky choice. Not only is playing it safe her style, but when you are already ahead you play it safe. Trump being far behind needs a Hail Mary pass.

Hillary just needs to run out the clock.

The only risk that Warren comes with is Senate control, and that would likely last for half a year at most, much less if Reid's ideas on how to minimize the damage play out.

That, and the risk that voters might see it as pandering. Two women? Some independents might think "maybe Hillary is just trying to pander."

She would be the Pence choice for the Democrats, really. Doubling down on a support base.