US General Election Megathread: Trump vs Clinton

[Gauthier]

Im referring to the FBI madness that went down.

Republicans are still finding a way to put her behind bars, and are even conducting an investigation/hearing on the investigation Comey was head of.

The madness didn't "went" anywhere, it still goes on.

Maybe Hillary should arrange to be cremated after death, otherwise the Republicans might try to stage a Cadaver Synod with her remains.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Republicans are still finding a way to put her behind bars, and are even conducting an investigation on the investigation Comey was head of.

The madness didn't "went", it still goes on.

Good she lied to everyone and she may not have had intent she definatley knew what she was doing was unauthorized. Fuck her and her hot sauce.

If you expect politicians to be always honest, and have always been before her, I'd like for you to go back and read a history book.

Also, the entire thing was careless to a frightening degree, but Comey also chose deliberately the words "extreme carelessness" and not "gross negligence" for a reason. Unless you're the kind of people who also think Clinton bribed him or snatched his children and offered them to Moloch or something.

[Gauthier]

Good she lied to everyone and she may not have had intent she definatley knew what she was doing was unauthorized. Fuck her and her hot sauce.

If you expect politicians to be always honest, and have always been before her, I'd like for you to go back and read a history book.

Also, the entire thing was careless to a frightening degree, but Comey also chose deliberately the words "extreme carelessness" and not "gross negligence" for a reason.

But Comey didn't call for an indictment and so in Republican orthodoxy that makes him a Democratic stooge. *nod*

[Nazeroth]

Good she lied to everyone and she may not have had intent she definatley knew what she was doing was unauthorized. Fuck her and her hot sauce.

If you expect politicians to be always honest, and have always been before her, I'd like for you to go back and read a history book.

Also, the entire thing was careless to a frightening degree, but Comey also chose deliberately the words "extreme carelessness" and not "gross negligence" for a reason. Unless you're the kind of people who also think Clinton bribed him or snatched his children and offered them to Moloch or something.[/quote


I dont expect them to that honest but god damn if she isnt terrible. Comey revealed all we need to know and eve directly stated that had it been someone else they would have gotten into trouble. Extreme carlessness and gross negligence is the same fucking thing in any sane persons eyes.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

If you expect politicians to be always honest, and have always been before her, I'd like for you to go back and read a history book.

Also, the entire thing was careless to a frightening degree, but Comey also chose deliberately the words "extreme carelessness" and not "gross negligence" for a reason.

But Comey didn't call for an indictment and so in Republican orthodoxy that makes him a Democratic stooge. *nod*

Hey, if you can't win by conducting investigations for decades, just keep distorting reality until you find something that could be right in your delusional ramblings.

[Nazeroth]

If you expect politicians to be always honest, and have always been before her, I'd like for you to go back and read a history book.

Also, the entire thing was careless to a frightening degree, but Comey also chose deliberately the words "extreme carelessness" and not "gross negligence" for a reason.

But Comey didn't call for an indictment and so in Republican orthodoxy that makes him a Democratic stooge. *nod*

I dont think hes a stooge but can see him being pressured by clinton money

[Nazeroth]

But Comey didn't call for an indictment and so in Republican orthodoxy that makes him a Democratic stooge. *nod*

Hey, if you can't win by conducting investigations for decades, just keep distorting reality until you find something that could be right in your delusional ramblings.

What she did would have had me discharged from the army but fuck me right im just a peasant.

[Kelinfort]

I dont expect them to that honest but god damn if she isnt terrible. Comey revealed all we need to know and eve directly stated that had it been someone else they would have gotten into trouble. Extreme carlessness and gross negligence is the same fucking thing in any sane persons eyes.

Having set up technology for older people, I can safely say they usually just go ahead and do what they think is easiest. Past Secretaries of States used private accounts for this very reason. Aides are in charge of this because 60-year olds don't know how to set this stuff up. How this is negligent when the State Department is regularly hacked, I have no fucking clue.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I dont expect them to that honest but god damn if she isnt terrible. Comey revealed all we need to know and eve directly stated that had it been someone else they would have gotten into trouble. Extreme carlessness and gross negligence is the same fucking thing in any sane persons eyes.

No, what he directly stated was, since we're counting beans here:

In looking back at our investigations into mishandling or removal of classified information, we cannot find a case that would support bringing criminal charges on these facts. All the cases prosecuted involved some combination of: clearly intentional and willful mishandling of classified information; or vast quantities of materials exposed in such a way as to support an inference of intentional misconduct; or indications of disloyalty to the United States; or efforts to obstruct justice. We do not see those things here.

To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences. To the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions. But that is not what we are deciding now.

Security and/or administrative sanctions are sanctions made by an employer, in this case, the white house or the people who gave her the security clearance. At no moment does this indicate "she broke the law". But she did mishandle information, which, if she was still secretary of state, would have come with hefty sanctions. But since she is not secretary of state anymore, you can't really punish someone who isn't in that position anymore.

[Nazeroth]

I dont expect them to that honest but god damn if she isnt terrible. Comey revealed all we need to know and eve directly stated that had it been someone else they would have gotten into trouble. Extreme carlessness and gross negligence is the same fucking thing in any sane persons eyes.

Having set up technology for older people, I can safely say they usually just go ahead and do what they think is easiest. Past Secretaries of States used private accounts for this very reason. Aides are in charge of this because 60-year olds don't know how to set this stuff up. How this is negligent when the State Department is regularly hacked, I have no fucking clue.

Shes been in the game more than long enough to know better, and if she incapable like "past secretaries" put someone in who is competant.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Hey, if you can't win by conducting investigations for decades, just keep distorting reality until you find something that could be right in your delusional ramblings.

What she did would have had me discharged from the army but fuck me right im just a peasant.

Difference is, you're still in the military.

She is not still a Secretary of State.

Unless there's somewhere in the military which says you can be retroactively punished.

[Nazeroth]

What she did would have had me discharged from the army but fuck me right im just a peasant.

Difference is, you're still in the military.

She is not still a Secretary of State.

Oh so because shes no longer in the position she could have broken the law. Good to know that i can break the law in the military then after i leave can not be charged.

[Kelinfort]

Having set up technology for older people, I can safely say they usually just go ahead and do what they think is easiest. Past Secretaries of States used private accounts for this very reason. Aides are in charge of this because 60-year olds don't know how to set this stuff up. How this is negligent when the State Department is regularly hacked, I have no fucking clue.

Shes been in the game more than long enough to know better, and if she incapable like "past secretaries" put someone in who is competant.

So you'll go on record and say Colin Powell was incompetent? Hmm...

In addition, 2 days before this "scandal" started, the State Department had a data breach that was called, and I quote, "the worst in history." One wonders how having a .gov email would've been any better at protecting classified information.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Difference is, you're still in the military.

She is not still a Secretary of State.

Oh so because shes no longer in the position she could have broken the law. Good to know that i can break the law in the military then after i leave can not be charged.

Again, she didn't break the law. She was careless, and that would bring administrative sanctions or have repercussions to her security status, like Comey said. A law, however, she didn't break.

[Gauthier]

Shes been in the game more than long enough to know better, and if she incapable like "past secretaries" put someone in who is competant.

So you'll go on record and say Colin Powell was incompetent? Hmm...

In addition, 2 days before this "scandal" started, the State Department had a data breach that was called, and I quote, "the worst in history." One wonders how having a .gov email would've been any better at protecting classified information.

If the files were on the State Department servers we'd hear almost word for word the same rants against Clinton that we're hearing today.

[Nazeroth]

Shes been in the game more than long enough to know better, and if she incapable like "past secretaries" put someone in who is competant.

So you'll go on record and say Colin Powell was incompetent? Hmm...

In addition, 2 days before this "scandal" started, the State Department had a data breach that was called, and I quote, "the worst in history." One wonders how having a .gov email would've been any better at protecting classified information.

If colin powell did it he should be held responsible like anyone else should because thats fucking bullshit and a double standard. She shouldnt get a free pass because other people did it.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

So you'll go on record and say Colin Powell was incompetent? Hmm...

In addition, 2 days before this "scandal" started, the State Department had a data breach that was called, and I quote, "the worst in history." One wonders how having a .gov email would've been any better at protecting classified information.

If colin powell did it he should be held responsible like anyone else should because thats fucking bullshit and a double standard. She shouldnt get a free pass because other people did it.

No, but she did get a free pass because no one has even bothered to bring this to court, and there's little to no precedent, and little to no arguments to make in court to where she'd get pronounced guilty.

What Comey is saying is not "she gets a free pass", he is basically saying "sure, she was careless, and there would be hell to pay if she was Secretary of State still, but we don't see anything that could stand in court here in regards of her doing any illegal activities because deliberate mishandling of it is illegal, not accidental mishandling of it".

[Yumyumsuppertime]

But Comey didn't call for an indictment and so in Republican orthodoxy that makes him a Democratic stooge. *nod*

I dont think hes a stooge but can see him being pressured by clinton money

So this man who, by all accounts, has shown nothing but the utmost integrity throughout his entire career is suddenly being tempted by cash offers?

Really grasping at those straws, aren't we?

[Nazeroth]

If colin powell did it he should be held responsible like anyone else should because thats fucking bullshit and a double standard. She shouldnt get a free pass because other people did it.

No, but she did get a free pass because no one has even bothered to bring this to court, and there's little to no precedent, and little to no arguments to make in court to where she'd get pronounced guilty.

What Comey is saying is not "she gets a free pass", he is basically saying "sure, she was careless, but we don't see anything that could stand in court here in regards of her doing any illegal activities".

She mishandled them and was extremley careless(grossly negligent, same fuckig thing.). Even if she cant be legally charged its as if nobody gives a fuck that she still did it they just ignore it.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

But Comey didn't call for an indictment and so in Republican orthodoxy that makes him a Democratic stooge. *nod*

I dont think hes a stooge but can see him being pressured by clinton money

You're really reaching here.

[Nazeroth]

I dont think hes a stooge but can see him being pressured by clinton money

So this man who, by all accounts, has shown nothing but the utmost integrity throughout his entire career is suddenly being tempted by cash offers?

Really grasping at those straws, aren't we?

Who said bribery? I dont think he was payed off i think he may have been threatend though and they have the funds to dig dirt or whatever they need to place that pressure

[Corrian]

I have a hard time trusting polls anymore.

Why?

Maybe because the polls on these very states seem to flip flop every time I see a poll for them?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

No, but she did get a free pass because no one has even bothered to bring this to court, and there's little to no precedent, and little to no arguments to make in court to where she'd get pronounced guilty.

What Comey is saying is not "she gets a free pass", he is basically saying "sure, she was careless, but we don't see anything that could stand in court here in regards of her doing any illegal activities".

She mishandled them and was extremley careless(grossly negligent, same fuckig thing.). Even if she cant be legally charged its as if nobody gives a fuck that she still did it they just ignore it.

There were policies in place, but they were executed sloppily, from Comey's report. That does not constitute "gross negligence" when it comes to server and network security, and definitely not the standard that Comey and the Federal Government uses to define "gross negligence" when it comes to dealing with computer data from their departments. If you want to change the definition of what "gross negligence" is to the standard you want to setup, maybe you should write to your legislators. After all, they're the ones who make law here. Under the current law standards, she was not "grossly negligent".

I was concerned about it, and still am, but that still is not as much of a deal breaker as all the stupid bullshit Trump talks every week. Her gaffe with her email servers is something that the White House can work with her to setup better system and network security and closely monitor her use of government accounts. Trump's mouth is not something the White House can monitor and setup to make it better.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

So this man who, by all accounts, has shown nothing but the utmost integrity throughout his entire career is suddenly being tempted by cash offers?

Really grasping at those straws, aren't we?

Who said bribery? I dont think he was payed off i think he may have been threatend though and they have the funds to dig dirt or whatever they need to place that pressure

[Nazeroth]

She mishandled them and was extremley careless(grossly negligent, same fuckig thing.). Even if she cant be legally charged its as if nobody gives a fuck that she still did it they just ignore it.

There were policies in place, but they were executed sloppily, from Comey's report. That does not constitute "gross negligence" when it comes to server and network security, and definitely not the standard that Comey and the Federal Government uses to define "gross negligence" when it comes to dealing with computer data from their departments. If you want to change the definition of what "gross negligence" is to the standard you want to setup, maybe you should write to your legislators. After all, they're the ones who make law here. Under the current law standards, she was not "grossly negligent".

I was concerned about it, and still am, but that still is not as much of a deal breaker as all the stupid bullshit Trump talks every week.

" we know what hillrry did was wrong and comey proved that she lied about everything but lwgally we cant charge her, dont worry though cause trump is hitler reincarnated". Basically all i fuckig hear these days.